Yes, the Beatles, MJ, Frank Sinatra .... boring ...it is simply truisms A standard set of legends. I ask about current influences, not of all time. Yes, the Beatles influenced indirectly to any group. MJ indirectly affected by any solo artist, but I wonder whose influence from contemporary artists do you feel in many areas of life, who decides and directs much right now.
Gaga - yes! we can argue long that Gaga is secondary, but she really sets the mode and is the benchmark. Adele? she is a beginner, so all I can say she is stunningly popular, but what she brought new, what is its impact? How does she differ from the Amy, for example? Eminem - yes! fashionable rapper, first white rapper in the music style, dominated by black guys always. I can see his influence and now; he's one of the most influential rappers of all time. Britney? Actually, yes, she was influential, but long time ago.... 1999-2002 years - this time, when most of the girls wanted to be like her, she gave a second life to a school uniform ... but in 2011 her influence is limited, I do not feel it really. Rihanna, Katy Perry are very popular, but influential ....? Just do not think so.
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not exactly.......
He is the one who has great success and will go down in music history. Lord, it is impossible to determine really the first in human history. Of course there were others whose names I unfortunately do not know so they do not matter much to me. Eminem is not the first white rapper in general, but the first one that has huge influence
He is the one who has great success and will go down in music history. Lord, it is impossible to determine really the first in human history. Of course there were others whose names I unfortunately do not know so they do not matter much to me. Eminem is not the first white rapper in general, but the first one that has huge influence
This, like your original post on Em, has some blind spots.
If you're going to talk in terms of race, the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice blazed that trail from a commercial standpoint. The Beasties were a big rap influence a decade and a half before Em hit the scene. I list Vanilla Ice because most MCs today would kill for the success he had, he proved it could be done by a white rapper on a huge scale, even though he doesn't have a fraction of Em's true skill on the mic.
That doesn't detract from Em's influence, it's absolutely there for his body of work and impact. But he by far wasn't the first.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
Ice was perceived as a joke but that was due to his management fucking it up (though I have to say having him be like MC Hammer didn't help matters for him either though it did give him success) but to say he didn't pave the way for Eminem is like denying that Hammer paved the way for Puffy.
This, like your original post on Em, has some blind spots.
If you're going to talk in terms of race, the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice blazed that trail from a commercial standpoint. The Beasties were a big rap influence a decade and a half before Em hit the scene. I list Vanilla Ice because most MCs today would kill for the success he had, he proved it could be done by a white rapper on a huge scale, even though he doesn't have a fraction of Em's true skill on the mic.
That doesn't detract from Em's influence, it's absolutely there for his body of work and impact. But he by far wasn't the first.
Topic about influence.
You do not need to know everything in chronological order. In fact, Eminem is the first globally influential white rapper. I live in Eastern Europe, here we have Tupac and Eminem - two names that define the rap, so I'm not out of prejudice, but because of those realities called Eminem's first.
He is the one who has great success and will go down in music history. Lord, it is impossible to determine really the first in human history. Of course there were others whose names I unfortunately do not know so they do not matter much to me. Eminem is not the first white rapper in general, but the first one that has huge influence
This, like your original post on Em, has some blind spots.
If you're going to talk in terms of race, the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice blazed that trail from a commercial standpoint. The Beasties were a big rap influence a decade and a half before Em hit the scene. I list Vanilla Ice because most MCs today would kill for the success he had, he proved it could be done by a white rapper on a huge scale, even though he doesn't have a fraction of Em's true skill on the mic.
That doesn't detract from Em's influence, it's absolutely there for his body of work and impact. But he by far wasn't the first.
Very True.
It is because of Vanilla Ice and Beastie Boys that Eminem was able to achieve the commercial success that he did... I exactly find Beastie Boys to be more influential and underrated. And while Eminem has skills, he is overrated in alot of ways.
This, like your original post on Em, has some blind spots.
If you're going to talk in terms of race, the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice blazed that trail from a commercial standpoint. The Beasties were a big rap influence a decade and a half before Em hit the scene. I list Vanilla Ice because most MCs today would kill for the success he had, he proved it could be done by a white rapper on a huge scale, even though he doesn't have a fraction of Em's true skill on the mic.
That doesn't detract from Em's influence, it's absolutely there for his body of work and impact. But he by far wasn't the first.
Topic about influence.
You do not need to know everything in chronological order. In fact, Eminem is the first globally influential white rapper. I live in Eastern Europe, here we have Tupac and Eminem - two names that define the rap, so I'm not out of prejudice, but because of those realities called Eminem's first.
We're discussing your comments about historical firsts, so we're on your tangent now.
Your follow up about global influence is equally untrue. The Beasties has had a worldwide following since before you were born.
It's cool that you live in Eastern Europe. I don't doubt Em's influence on the current generation. But hip-hop has some old fogies who crossed the globe before Em, Pac, Hov, etc.
Not disagreeing on the influence, just the history.
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Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
Skrillex is the most popular artist in dubstep, and dubstep is slowly creeping into pop music.
Uffie is what artists like Dev and Ke$ha are direct clones of, Katy and even Gaga ape her shit at times:
But 20 years later MJ and Madonna are still the increadibly influential.
Every male pop star tried to be MJ which is why so few last, they rarely bring anything new to the table.
Women who copy M have more success, because they copy the reinvention formula that keeps the public interested.
I can't take Uffie or Dev seriously at ALL!!!
Well, I don't think they are meant to be, not Uffie at least. She's very post-culture meets rave. Dev does want to be taken somewhat seriously which will only end up hampering her career.
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... but in 2011 her influence is limited, I do not feel it really.
