I swear, there's nothing makes me sadder than hearing a tight ass band that didn't find form their own voice. They wanted to be EWF, they wanted to be Funkadelic, they wanted to be the Commodore, they wanted to be Prince, they even wanted to be Sisqo,,,,,

Still, a great song but it pisses me off that its that they resorted to this process of recording instead of making their own sound.

That's a bad ass jam.

Who cares?

They have plenty of quality tracks and never took themselves too seriously.

Great cover! thank youf or sharing

minneapolisFunq said:

Who cares?

They have plenty of quality tracks and never took themselves too seriously.

I do, and cut it out with the hostility already, k?

I'm interested. What song does this cover?

welcome back to the org

They added indeed some rip-offs in their albums but there were still other tracks which didn't follow any trends:

Holy Ghost

Traffic Jammer

Anticipation

Shango said:

welcome back to the org

They added indeed some rip-offs in their albums but there were still other tracks which didn't follow any trends:

Holy Ghost

Traffic Jammer

Anticipation

Propositions

She Talks To Me With Her Body

Sex-O-Matic

I'm sure there are more.

Late producer Allen A. Jones mixed more of the Minneapolis sound in groups such as Ebonee Webb and Kwick.

I'll add

Let's Have Some Fun

Do It(Let Me See You Shake)

Shake Your Rump To the Funk

Attitudes

Move Your Boogie Body

Up In Here

You Made A Change In My Life

Allen Jones and the Barkays did add the Minneapolis sound to the

Banging The Wall album as the Minneapolis sound was wrecking shit

around 1985.

phunkdaddy said:

I'm interested. What song does this cover?

Shango said:

welcome back to the org

They added indeed some rip-offs in their albums but there were still other tracks which didn't follow any trends:

Holy Ghost

Traffic Jammer

Anticipation

Propositions

She Talks To Me With Her Body

Sex-O-Matic

I'm sure there are more.

Late producer Allen A. Jones mixed more of the Minneapolis sound in groups such as Ebonee Webb and Kwick.

Thanks

They ripped off with "style"? I can't believe I'm making excuses for them, but damn if they don't sound good It makes you wonder, if only they invest more into their own songwriting or perhaps let somebody else. do it.

Harlepolis said:

Shango said:

welcome back to the org

They added indeed some rip-offs in their albums but there were still other tracks which didn't follow any trends:

Holy Ghost

Traffic Jammer

Anticipation

Propositions

She Talks To Me With Her Body

Sex-O-Matic

I'm sure there are more.

Late producer Allen A. Jones mixed more of the Minneapolis sound in groups such as Ebonee Webb and Kwick.

Thanks

They ripped off with "style"? I can't believe I'm making excuses for them, but damn if they don't sound good It makes you wonder, if only they invest more into their own songwriting or perhaps let somebody else. do it.

Well, like Shango stated above, Allen A. Jones was mostly responsible for the direction of their sound, so they were in fact letting somebody else "do it".

I don't know what type of music you think they would have created even if they had recorded without his influence.

There weren't many options for funk/rnb bands, especially in the 80s.

I'm satisfied with the music they created, and I don't care if they were copying other groups because what I hear is all that matters in the end.

If that bothers you enough to ruin your listening experience, then you must be trapped in L7!

Harlepolis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm interested. What song does this cover?

Get It Up

I saw where somebody compared the two on another site but i'm just

not hearing the similarity between the two. Maybe i need to get a Qtip.

Harlepolis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm interested. What song does this cover?

Get It Up

Get It Up is one of my favorites of all time, then, and now. I've never thought about Get It Up when hearing this song. Interesting.

Harlepolis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm interested. What song does this cover?

Get It Up

I don't hear it in "Hit And Run".....although, come to think of it, those two could mix really good and flow into each other.

Lord knows, The Barkays have intentionally copied from other artists many times but in this instance, it's not possible. Those two songs were not only released in the same year, but also around the same time that year. I remember I bought the first album from The Time and the "Nightcruising" album together on the same day.

Allen Jones was too busy copying from Prince's "Head" with the group Ebonee Webb that year with "Something About You". If you get a chance, check out Ebonee Webb. I can never stress enough that people need to check out Ebonee Webb. You'll absolute love them!

minneapolisFunq said:

Harlepolis said:

Thanks

They ripped off with "style"? I can't believe I'm making excuses for them, but damn if they don't sound good It makes you wonder, if only they invest more into their own songwriting or perhaps let somebody else. do it.

Well, like Shango stated above, Allen A. Jones was mostly responsible for the direction of their sound, so they were in fact letting somebody else "do it".

I don't know what type of music you think they would have created even if they had recorded without his influence.

There weren't many options for funk/rnb bands, especially in the 80s.

I'm satisfied with the music they created, and I don't care if they were copying other groups because what I hear is all that matters in the end.

If that bothers you enough to ruin your listening experience, then you must be trapped in L7!

I don't know what the hell does that mean

But anyway, of course I do enjoy their music regardless of their lack of individual sound - I'm crazy about this song for god's sake - I don't think wishing excellence for a band you respect should be viewed negatively, even if its wishful thinking at this point.

phunkdaddy said:

Harlepolis said:

Get It Up

I saw where somebody compared the two on another site but i'm just

not hearing the similarity between the two. Maybe i need to get a Qtip.

The bassline.

Harlepolis said:

Shango said:

welcome back to the org

They added indeed some rip-offs in their albums but there were still other tracks which didn't follow any trends:

Holy Ghost

Traffic Jammer

Anticipation

Propositions

She Talks To Me With Her Body

Sex-O-Matic

I'm sure there are more.

Late producer Allen A. Jones mixed more of the Minneapolis sound in groups such as Ebonee Webb and Kwick.

Thanks

They ripped off with "style"? I can't believe I'm making excuses for them, but damn if they don't sound good It makes you wonder, if only they invest more into their own songwriting or perhaps let somebody else. do it.

I really don't hear the Prince sound on the "Nightcruising" album but the album does have two very obvious ripoffs on it...."Freaky Behaviour" is Rick James's "Super Freak" and "Unforgettable Dream" is The Commodores' "Easy".

Every artist has their influences and a lot of them are quickly recognizeable when the songs come out. The groups come out, have a hit with a song highly influenced from another artist of that era, and then fade away. But I think The Barkays have gotten more of a ripoff reputation through the years because they've been around so much longer than the other groups and outlived all the other groups.

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

Get It Up

I don't hear it in "Hit And Run".....although, come to think of it, those two could mix really good and flow into each other.

Lord knows, The Barkays have intentionally copied from other artists many times but in this instance, it's not possible. Those two songs were not only released in the same year, but also around the same time that year. I remember I bought the first album from The Time and the "Nightcruising" album together on the same day.

Allen Jones was too busy copying from Prince's "Head" with the group Ebonee Webb that year with "Something About You". If you get a chance, check out Ebonee Webb. I can never stress enough that people need to check out Ebonee Webb. You'll absolute love them!

That's what i thought. Yeah Allen Jones got me with Ebonee Webb. I had no idea at the

time that Allen Jones were producing them. I do remember on the radio back in the day

though when Kwik was out hearing that they had some kind of affiliation with the Barkays.

It turned out to be Allen Jones too and Kwick used to be a Stax act under another

name that i can't remember.

[Edited 12/6/11 19:48pm]

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

I don't hear it in "Hit And Run".....although, come to think of it, those two could mix really good and flow into each other.

Lord knows, The Barkays have intentionally copied from other artists many times but in this instance, it's not possible. Those two songs were not only released in the same year, but also around the same time that year. I remember I bought the first album from The Time and the "Nightcruising" album together on the same day.

Allen Jones was too busy copying from Prince's "Head" with the group Ebonee Webb that year with "Something About You". If you get a chance, check out Ebonee Webb. I can never stress enough that people need to check out Ebonee Webb. You'll absolute love them!

That's what i thought. Yeah Allen Jones got me with Ebonee Webb. I had no idea at the

time that Allen Jones were producing them. I do remember on the radio back in the day

though when Kwik was out hearing that they had some kind of affiliation with the Barkays.

It turned out to be Allen Jones too and Kwick used to be a Stax act under another

name that i can't remember.

[Edited 12/6/11 19:48pm]

A lot of stuff went on in 1981. Prince's "Dirty Mind" had come out in late 1980 and bled over into early 1981. Then, during late summer, I heard Ebonee Webb's "Something About You" and thought it was actually Prince when I heard it. Very shortly after that, I heard The Time's "Get It Up" and once again thought it was Prince (actually, in this case there actually was a Prince connection). When school started back in September, then I heard "Controversy" and thought it was Prince again but wasn't sure after hearing "Something About You" and "Get It Up".

As for Kwick, the first time I remember them, was 1983 with "Too Lonely To Be Alone". Decades later, during the internet age, I was searching for more stuff from Kwick and came across "Shake, Make Your Body Break" and remembered hearing it back in the day very briefly but never knew who the group was back then. That particular track is a ripoff of The Jacksons' "Lovely One".

phunkdaddy said:

It turned out to be Allen Jones too and Kwick used to be a Stax act under another

name that i can't remember.

Before joining the Bar-Kays, Larry Dodson was in another group called The Temprees. I don't know about the Allen Jones group though. Larry is 2nd from the left.

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

It turned out to be Allen Jones too and Kwick used to be a Stax act under another

name that i can't remember.

Before joining the Bar-Kays, Larry Dodson was in another group called The Temprees. I don't know about the Allen Jones group though. Larry is 2nd from the left.

I remember on the Barkays Unsung episode James Alexander said that the other

members of the Temprees beat Larry's ass when he decided to leave them and join

the Barkays.

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

That's what i thought. Yeah Allen Jones got me with Ebonee Webb. I had no idea at the

time that Allen Jones were producing them. I do remember on the radio back in the day

though when Kwik was out hearing that they had some kind of affiliation with the Barkays.

It turned out to be Allen Jones too and Kwick used to be a Stax act under another

name that i can't remember.

[Edited 12/6/11 19:48pm]

A lot of stuff went on in 1981. Prince's "Dirty Mind" had come out in late 1980 and bled over into early 1981. Then, during late summer, I heard Ebonee Webb's "Something About You" and thought it was actually Prince when I heard it. Very shortly after that, I heard The Time's "Get It Up" and once again thought it was Prince (actually, in this case there actually was a Prince connection). When school started back in September, then I heard "Controversy" and thought it was Prince again but wasn't sure after hearing "Something About You" and "Get It Up".

As for Kwick, the first time I remember them, was 1983 with "Too Lonely To Be Alone". Decades later, during the internet age, I was searching for more stuff from Kwick and came across "Shake, Make Your Body Break" and remembered hearing it back in the day very briefly but never knew who the group was back then. That particular track is a ripoff of The Jacksons' "Lovely One".

I first heard of Kwik in middle school around 1980 when they my local radio station

used to play Can't Help Myself and Here I Go Again(Another Weekend). I used to

dig the latter better. I remember barely the dj mentioning something about their

affiliation with the barkays. It turns out they were a former stax act. I saw it on

the internet before but i can't remember their name.

After a lil research. Kwick used to be known as the Newcomers on Stax.

They were a trio before adding a 4th member and later becoming Kwick.

The Newcomers were serious. Guess like other male vocal groups not

named the Dramatics they got loss on the Stax roster and Stax impending

bankruptcy.

Too Little In Common

Yes Aliyah's I Care For You samples this one

Mannish Boy

Apparently Allen Jones got them a deal with Mercury records for a brief minute

as the Newcomers before they transformed to Kwick and went to Capitol EMI

Do Yourself A Favor

phunkdaddy said:

I remember on the Barkays Unsung episode James Alexander said that the other

members of the Temprees beat Larry's ass when he decided to leave them and join

the Barkays.

I read once that Patti LaBelle did the same thing to Cindy Birdsong when she joined The Supremes.

Does anyone know when Get It up was officially released as a single?

The Time's debut album only came out about two months before Nightcruising, and I don't think they would have had enough 'time' to prepare an album on such short notice.

I'm sure they could have cranked out the song relatively quickly, especially if the rest of the album was already complete at that point, but I'm not completely sold on the 'cover'.

It does share certain similarities and given their history it is very likely, but there is still a lingering doubt in the back of my mind.

It's cool to hear this song again but I'll agree with those that don't hear Get It Up within the song, it's still one of their best.

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

Thanks

They ripped off with "style"? I can't believe I'm making excuses for them, but damn if they don't sound good It makes you wonder, if only they invest more into their own songwriting or perhaps let somebody else. do it.

I really don't hear the Prince sound on the "Nightcruising" album but the album does have two very obvious ripoffs on it...."Freaky Behaviour" is Rick James's "Super Freak" and "Unforgettable Dream" is The Commodores' "Easy".

Every artist has their influences and a lot of them are quickly recognizeable when the songs come out. The groups come out, have a hit with a song highly influenced from another artist of that era, and then fade away. But I think The Barkays have gotten more of a ripoff reputation through the years because they've been around so much longer than the other groups and outlived all the other groups.

Several Bar Kays songs "borrowed" from other songs of the same period....

"Dance,Party,Etc" is very similiar to Prince's "D.M.S.R"

"Dirty Dancer" borrows the synth riff from MJ's "Billie Jean"

As you pointed out,"Freaky Behavior" is "Super Freak's" cousin

"Freakshow On The Dancefloor" sounds like a faster version of Midnight Star's "No Parking On The Dancefloor".

"Bangin' The Walls" is reminscent of Prince's "Automatic".

but hey...at least they borrowed from the best

SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

I really don't hear the Prince sound on the "Nightcruising" album but the album does have two very obvious ripoffs on it...."Freaky Behaviour" is Rick James's "Super Freak" and "Unforgettable Dream" is The Commodores' "Easy".

Every artist has their influences and a lot of them are quickly recognizeable when the songs come out. The groups come out, have a hit with a song highly influenced from another artist of that era, and then fade away. But I think The Barkays have gotten more of a ripoff reputation through the years because they've been around so much longer than the other groups and outlived all the other groups.

Several Bar Kays songs "borrowed" from other songs of the same period....

"Dance,Party,Etc" is very similiar to Prince's "D.M.S.R"

"Dirty Dancer" borrows the synth riff from MJ's "Billie Jean"

As you pointed out,"Freaky Behavior" is "Super Freak's" cousin

"Freakshow On The Dancefloor" sounds like a faster version of Midnight Star's "No Parking On The Dancefloor".

"Bangin' The Walls" is reminscent of Prince's "Automatic".

but hey...at least they borrowed from the best

I also hear some "Erotic City" in "Banging The Walls".

The opening guitar in "Dance Your Body, Desara" is similar to the opening guitar breakdown in "When Doves Cry".

"Sex Driver" steals from Midnight Star's "Freak-A-Zoid".

The breakdwon chant in "Missiles On Target" is similar to the breakdown chant in Prince's "Let's Work".

SoulAlive said:

"Dirty Dancer" borrows the synth riff from MJ's "Billie Jean"

Billie Jean's rhythm was copied from Hall & Oates I Can't Go For That though. Daryl Hall said Michael himself mentioned it to him, and said he (MJ) hoped he (DH) didn't mind. Quincy Jones said that My Sharona was an influence on Beat It. Lot's of songs sound alike.

[Edited 12/7/11 8:27am]

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

"Dirty Dancer" borrows the synth riff from MJ's "Billie Jean"

Billie Jean's rhythm was copied from Hall & Oates I Can't Go For That though. Daryl Hall said Michael himself mentioned it to him, and said he (MJ) hoped he (DH) didn't mind. Quincy Jones said that My Sharona was an influence on Beat It. Lot's of songs sound alike.

[Edited 12/7/11 8:27am]

Rick James also said that Quincy asked him to borrow the "Give It To Me Baby" bassline for "Thriller" Alot of borrowing for that album, wasn't it?