Haven't we learned not to take ANYTHING coming from Rolling Stone seriously by now?

BlaqueKnight said:

Haven't we learned not to take ANYTHING coming from Rolling Stone seriously by now?

Oh believe me, i'm well over it.
As a matter of fact, the last time I actually bought an issue in decades was a few years ago.
It was the issue with the 3-D multi artists cover. Just for the uniqueness of that cover.


However, it was hard to let it go...

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...Especially if you grew up on it when it was relevant.



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BlaqueKnight said:

Haven't we learned not to take ANYTHING coming from Rolling Stone seriously by now?

I'm definitely laughing at anything coming out of "Not Rolling Enough" Stone.

dJJ said:

I really like this one. Not his spitting. It's as if his guitar is an extra limb. Amazing

Glad you like him

Somehow i had't expected you to like heavy metal

[Edited 11/29/11 18:56pm]

dJJ said:

Dewrede said:

^

Yeah , no Zakk Wylde either

Just looked him up and saw some solos on the channelwedon'tmentionhere.

He's great!

Gunsnhalen said:

If your good YOUR good no matter what color. So fuck you assholes having to bring race into everything.

darn that Eric Clapton and his not doing a man-up apology for his past racial palaverments. just look at the confusion and discord he's caused here.

Timmy84 said:

Fuck all this racial shit... what did YOU wanted at the top ten?

[Edited 11/29/11 21:33pm]

NDRU said:

It's one of my personal things, the distinction between "best" and "greatest"

Especially in art, there really is no best. But often you can see that a guitar player with amazing technical skills is still not the greatest because he does not connect with people, or because it's not anything new or interesting.

But even in sports, you might say a player from a previous era is the "greatest ever" based on what he did against the other players of his time, even though a modern player might be better--like Barry Bonds vs Babe Ruth.

That's why, IMO Jimi was so ahead of his time as a rock guitar player, that even though a lot of modern players could do any lick he ever played, and at twice the speed, that his innovation and skills compared to his peers, along with his impact and legacy make him pretty clearly the greatest ever [in rock] even though Steve Vai is pretty obviously "better"

That's my theory

Works for me. Very good.

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theAudience said:

petes2 said:

you must be a guitarist to have that kind of gripe. Not that you're wrong, technically speaking there are hundreds, maybe thousands better (who knows) but if you're like me, and you've seen seattle weeklies/papers etc..., plus all the other guitar and music mags straight up diss Jimi then it's a sweet thing to see him number one. Here in seattle, they always give Cobain the top spot over jimi for everything and it pisses me off, no comparison, not even in Jimi's league. Jimi was more than a guitarist, he was a production pioneer, great songwriter, fantastic showman. No one seriously picks up the guitar post-Jimi without lots of his influence. As steve vai has said accurately, "I may play better but I am playing a genre that Jimi created" that speaks volumes. I could go on and on, Jimi had a unique feel to his playing, a raging sound which sounded more organic and soulful than any guitarist I've ever heard, he was the best period.

Yes i'm a guitarist.

You'll find no bigger Hendrix fan than me and am very aware of all his musical contributions: http://prince.org/msg/8/323946

And yes if I lived in Seattle and had to put up with the local press touting Cobain over Hendrix as a guitarist, i'd be plenty pissed also.

That being said, it still doesn't change the facts.

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I figure you were, I assume you've been at the org for awhile, you'll notice musicians are always, always the harshest critics of other musicians. I think it's incidental how well a Prince or a Jimi can play, they play well enough to express themselves and that's the key. Musical skill is truly a dime a dozen unfortunately, there are lots and lots of prodigies and fantastic musicians who don't have anything to say of their own. It's not something I would criticize, I respect them but everyone has their own set of gifts, it just so happens that the truly special musicians are usually not the best technicians but the ones who can move masses.

rialb said:

petes2 said:

you haven't seen many guitar mags then, usually it's some white guy, and in seattle they always give Nirvana the top accolades. Sorry if you're sensitive.

I haven't seen any recent guitar magazines but I did read a ton of them in the '90s and Jimi was almost always regarded as the "best" guitarist unless it was a genre specific list (for example, you wouldn't expect him to be named the best jazz or country and western guitarist). Could you provide a single example of "some white guy" being ranked ahead of him?

I may be sensitive about some things but Rolling Stone magazine's list of the best guitarists is not one of them. I don't mean to keep picking on the guy but to me the best example of why the list is not to be taken too seriously is because John Lennon made the cut.

you have the internet go check some polls yourself. I'm sure they're are plenty. and nearly none of the ones I used to look at even included Prince or even Zappa for that matter, both probably better than a good portion of their choices.

rialb said:

petes2 said:

you haven't seen many guitar mags then, usually it's some white guy, and in seattle they always give Nirvana the top accolades. Sorry if you're sensitive.

I haven't seen any recent guitar magazines but I did read a ton of them in the '90s and Jimi was almost always regarded as the "best" guitarist unless it was a genre specific list (for example, you wouldn't expect him to be named the best jazz or country and western guitarist). Could you provide a single example of "some white guy" being ranked ahead of him?

I may be sensitive about some things but Rolling Stone magazine's list of the best guitarists is not one of them. I don't mean to keep picking on the guy but to me the best example of why the list is not to be taken too seriously is because John Lennon made the cut.

here is a link to one, but it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:http://www.freerepublic.c...9309/posts ridiculous really.

petes2 said:

rialb said:

I haven't seen any recent guitar magazines but I did read a ton of them in the '90s and Jimi was almost always regarded as the "best" guitarist unless it was a genre specific list (for example, you wouldn't expect him to be named the best jazz or country and western guitarist). Could you provide a single example of "some white guy" being ranked ahead of him?

I may be sensitive about some things but Rolling Stone magazine's list of the best guitarists is not one of them. I don't mean to keep picking on the guy but to me the best example of why the list is not to be taken too seriously is because John Lennon made the cut.

here is a link to one, but it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:http://www.freerepublic.c...9309/posts ridiculous really.

Yikes. That is a prime example of why the public should not be allowed to vote. Ever. Nigel Tufnel? Sammy Hagar? The guys from Korn? That was basically just a list of popular hard rock/heavy metal guitarists circa 1970-2004. Still, it wasn't completely useless, Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham (as a duo) made it!

petes2 said:

theAudience said:

Yes i'm a guitarist.

You'll find no bigger Hendrix fan than me and am very aware of all his musical contributions: http://prince.org/msg/8/323946

And yes if I lived in Seattle and had to put up with the local press touting Cobain over Hendrix as a guitarist, i'd be plenty pissed also.

That being said, it still doesn't change the facts.

I figure you were, I assume you've been at the org for awhile, you'll notice musicians are always, always the harshest critics of other musicians. I think it's incidental how well a Prince or a Jimi can play, they play well enough to express themselves and that's the key. Musical skill is truly a dime a dozen unfortunately, there are lots and lots of prodigies and fantastic musicians who don't have anything to say of their own. It's not something I would criticize, I respect them but everyone has their own set of gifts, it just so happens that the truly special musicians are usually not the best technicians but the ones who can move masses.

I believe you've missed my point entirely. I'm not being critical of Hendrix at all.
My issue is with the writers of the article and subsequent wire service who misconstrued the intent of the original article with their headlines.

The article's participants were asked who their "favorite guitarist" was, not who they thought was the "greatest/best guitarist".


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theAudience said:

petes2 said:

I figure you were, I assume you've been at the org for awhile, you'll notice musicians are always, always the harshest critics of other musicians. I think it's incidental how well a Prince or a Jimi can play, they play well enough to express themselves and that's the key. Musical skill is truly a dime a dozen unfortunately, there are lots and lots of prodigies and fantastic musicians who don't have anything to say of their own. It's not something I would criticize, I respect them but everyone has their own set of gifts, it just so happens that the truly special musicians are usually not the best technicians but the ones who can move masses.

I believe you've missed my point entirely. I'm not being critical of Hendrix at all.
My issue is with the writers of the article and subsequent wire service who misconstrued the intent of the original article with their headlines.

The article's participants were asked who their "favorite guitarist" was, not who they thought was the "greatest/best guitarist".


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well, you're quibbling a bit now, you don't have a criticism for Hendrix but you just don't think he was good enough to be on top. It wasn't a wild guess that I took that you were a guitarist and you seem sincere but musicians are generally bitchy and catty when it comes to other musicians and it gets tiresome quickly. Best anything is a tricky proposition anytime, it's subjective and speculative. For my money, Jimi was it. I don't care how many people can play a thousand notes a minute faster than him, when none of those notes have any meaning. Jimi played the guitar with his soul, like it was a part of him, I've heard lots of guitar players and no one did that better. He did die young too so whatever improvements he may have made never came about but he did way more than enough. All these years later, no one has really matched him, there is a reason he gets those kinds of kudos.

I really don't think musicians are the harshest critics at all.

I think non musicians are the ones who can dismiss albums by Prince or Steve Vai as "utter shit" just because it does not fit into some concept of great music that they carry in their heads. Musicians are much more forgiving of stylistic and poetic blunders as long as the music shows some skill. Why? Because they know how hard it is even to make crappy music.

And I believe theAudience's favorite musician is Jimi Hendrix, so I don't see where he's criticizing him. He is criticizing the title of the article

NDRU said:

I really don't think musicians are the harshest critics at all.

I think non musicians are the ones who can dismiss albums by Prince or Steve Vai as "utter shit" just because it does not fit into some concept of great music that they carry in their heads. Musicians are much more forgiving of stylistic and poetic blunders as long as the music shows some skill. Why? Because they know how hard it is even to make crappy music.

And I believe theAudience's favorite musician is Jimi Hendrix, so I don't see where he's criticizing him. He is criticizing the title of the article

I agree. Like read the information before shooting the messenger.

NDRU said:

I really don't think musicians are the harshest critics at all.

I think non musicians are the ones who can dismiss albums by Prince or Steve Vai as "utter shit" just because it does not fit into some concept of great music that they carry in their heads. Musicians are much more forgiving of stylistic and poetic blunders as long as the music shows some skill. Why? Because they know how hard it is even to make crappy music.

And I believe theAudience's favorite musician is Jimi Hendrix, so I don't see where he's criticizing him. He is criticizing the title of the article

I'm a pianist, not a good one, but I am and no one is more judgemental, bitchy, catty, snobby and condescending as other musicians (usually failed ones). I really don't even talk to musicians anymore because of it. They honestly don't like to see other people shine, believe me.

theAudience said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Haven't we learned not to take ANYTHING coming from Rolling Stone seriously by now?

Oh believe me, i'm well over it.
As a matter of fact, the last time I actually bought an issue in decades was a few years ago.
It was the issue with the 3-D multi artists cover. Just for the uniqueness of that cover.


However, it was hard to let it go...

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...Especially if you grew up on it when it was relevant.



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The 1967-73 RS covers are my favorite type of covers. I don't know what year they changed the logo and design of the magazine. I'm thinking 1974 or 1975 or something around there... not sure.

i was all in this clean-house, dust and organize mode today. while putting my vhs videos in alpha-order i ran across this:

the list goes on. (sometimes i like to practice my keying speed and accuracy, but hey. )

unsalted/unbutter and salsa then a hot of triple ginsing tea.

100 Greatest Guitarist http://www.digitaldreamdo...uitar.html

Their Top 20 (click on link to see the whole list)

1. Jimi Hendrix* (Jimi Hendrix Experence, Band of Gypsys, session work)
2. Jeff Beck (The Yardbirds, Jeff Beck Group, session work, solo)
3. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
4. Eric Clapton (The Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek & The Dominos, session work, solo)
5. Jimmy Page (The Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, The Firm, session work)
6. Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow, Blackmore's Night)
7. Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath, solo)
8. Chuck Berry (solo)
9. Scotty Moore (Elvis Presley)
10. Duane Allman* (Allman Brothers Band, Derek & The Dominos, session work)
11. Robert Fripp (King Crimson, session work, solo)
12. Steve Howe (Yes, Asia, the Syndicats, solo)
13. Brian May (Queen, solo)
14. David Gilmour (Pink Floyd, solo)
15. Carlos Santana (Santana, solo)
16. Pete Townshend (The Who, solo)
17. Steve Cropper (Booker T & the MG's, Mar-Keys, Blues Brothers Band, sesion work)
18. Steve Vai (Frank Zappa, Alcatrazz, David Lee Roth, Whitesnake, solo)
19. Yngwie Malmsteen (Steeler, Alcatrazz, solo)
20. Steve Morse (Dixie Dregs, Deep Purple, solo)

Did this site get it closer to right? Best of, Greatest, etc. are all subjective...