It is kind of amazing that that whole racist rant is not more widely known. It seems like he paid virtually no price for that little outburst. Can you imagine what would happen if he said something like that today? For one thing it would almost certainly be on youtube and millions of people would have heard it in full straight from his mouth. I think that Eric would have had an awful lot of apologising and explaining to do.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Eric may seem ''ignorant'' to everyone. But i have a hunch none of you have listened to his albums, He does fantatsic bluesy playing on his albums. And has created some great records

Not to mention he played for Cream, The Yardbirds, Bad Religion.. he has made tons of famous riffs & solos.

And your going to act like he doesn't deserve any credit? get out of here

I know about his records lol

Lol but you and the others seem to not want to give him any credit

Gunsnhalen said:

Eric may seem ''ignorant'' to everyone. But i have a hunch none of you have listened to his albums, He does fantatsic bluesy playing on his albums. And has created some great records

Not to mention he played for Cream, The Yardbirds, Bad Religion.. he has made tons of famous riffs & solos.

And your going to act like he doesn't deserve any credit? get out of here

yes (with some respect), eric deserves the credit of exposing some of the original sounds of the blues on his guitar. his ability to be a walking carbon based audio recorder and playback is commendable. point being as a musician he was/is a great mimic. nothing more nothing less. now a days the same riffs are synthesized by machines instead of eric.

yes (in answer to your question), i am going to act like he does not deserves any credit or accolades for converting original blues sounds under his and calling himself an authentic guitarist.

heck, play station's guitar hero could do the same!

but then eric does deserve some kudos for his musical efforts by opening up the gates of a segment of american music history for young whites allowing them to appreciate and explore the true roots of the blues via the real guitar blues men, like Mr. Robert Johnson and more.

i add one last heck in that even 'i shot the sheriff', one of claptons biggest hits, was written by non other than 'Bob Marley' in 1973.

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free2bfreeda said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Eric may seem ''ignorant'' to everyone. But i have a hunch none of you have listened to his albums, He does fantatsic bluesy playing on his albums. And has created some great records

Not to mention he played for Cream, The Yardbirds, Bad Religion.. he has made tons of famous riffs & solos.

And your going to act like he doesn't deserve any credit? get out of here

yes (with some respect), eric deserves the credit of exposing some of the original sounds of the blues on his guitar. his ability to be a walking carbon based audio recorder is commendable. point being as a musician he was/is a great mimic. nothing more nothing less. now a days the same riffs are synthesized by machines instead of eric.

yes (in answer to your question), i am going to act like he does not deserves any credit or accolades for converting original blues sounds under his and calling himself an authentic guitarist.

heck, play station's guitar hero could do the same!

but then eric does deserve some kudos for his musical efforts by opening up the gates of a segment of american music history for young whites allowing them to appreciate and explore the true roots of the blues via the real guitar blues men, like Mr. Robert Johnson and more.

i add one last heck in that even 'i shot the sheriff', one of claptons biggest hits, was written by non other than 'Bob Marley."

need i say more.

I think Marleys is well more known... i never hear Erics version played on radio. But yes that is what i mean, Eric did open the gates. And had a lot of younger generations discover the blues. And he got the Robert Johnson set together to!

Gunsnhalen said:

I think Marleys is well more known... i never hear Erics version played on radio. But yes that is what i mean, Eric did open the gates. And had a lot of younger generations discover the blues. And he got the Robert Johnson set together to!

Single by Eric Clapton

Eric Clapton recorded a cover version that was included on his album, 461 Ocean Boulevard. It is the most successful version of the song, peaking at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming Clapton's only #1 hit song in the U.S.

take a listen!

click here to listen: Eric Clapton - I Shot the Sheriff

Album: 461 Ocean Boulevard, miami, 1974

Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff

written in 1973 by Marley.

in response, it's great that eric got the Robert Johnson set together. too bad he besmirched blacks in doing so.

imo, it's kinda like clapton gathered what he could from the prestene source of the musical pool, then called the water polluted.

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Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

I know about his records lol

Lol but you and the others seem to not want to give him any credit

Ain't like I ain't giving him credit, I just think there's guitarists ten times better than him.

Jimi will always be number one. ALWAYS......

free2bfreeda said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I think Marleys is well more known... i never hear Erics version played on radio. But yes that is what i mean, Eric did open the gates. And had a lot of younger generations discover the blues. And he got the Robert Johnson set together to!

Single by Eric Clapton

Eric Clapton recorded a cover version that was included on his album, 461 Ocean Boulevard. It is the most successful version of the song, peaking at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming Clapton's only #1 hit song in the U.S.

take a listen!

click here to listen: Eric Clapton - I Shot the Sheriff

Album: 461 Ocean Boulevard, miami, 1974

Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff

written in 1973 by Marley.

in response, it's great that eric got the Robert Johnson set together. too bad he besmirched blacks in doing so.

imo, it's kinda like clapton gathered what he could from the prestene source of the musical pool, then called the water polluted.

[Edited 11/28/11 14:00pm]

It may have been number 1, but i always hear Marleys version. And when the song is mentioned i never hear anyone talk about Claptons version cause his version to me is not so so.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Lol but you and the others seem to not want to give him any credit

Ain't like I ain't giving him credit, I just think there's guitarists ten times better than him.

Of course, but i think Eric deserves top 25 at least for unfluences, great solos, albums & bands alone

Where is JoeTyler, isn't he a big Clapton fan? I expected him to have some thoughts about this thirty-five year old controversy.

rialb said:

Where is JoeTyler, isn't he a big Clapton fan? I expected him to have some thoughts about this thirty-five year old controversy.

i know!

i Need help, i love Clapton... i think there others that are better. But he is getting killed in this thread help joetyler help!

Clapton also has to get credit not only for bringing blues to the masses, but bringing the masses to blues.

The masters, (which he readily gives credit to, where Zeppelin had to be sued to give credit!) all played for huge audiences and are household names partly due to Clapton's efforts. BB King would be the first to tell you that.

It's similar to Scorcese and film. In addition to being artists, they are historians and advocates and conservators.

Plus he is a damn fine guitar player. Not the wildest or most exciting, but quite beautiful, pure, and versatile.

As for the controversy, well, nobody can really defend the ravings of a drunken idiot, but clapton has seemed quite decent and respectable for my entire life, and that has to count for something

I think Eric's best work was with Cream personally.

Timmy84 said:

I think Eric's best work was with Cream personally.

Yeah, he played with a little more oomph, and using Gibsons insead of Strats made his tone a bit ballsier too.

The biggest insult you can give him is that he has been bland for quite a while. I have grown to appreciate him despite being underwhelmed by him for 30 years.

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

I think Eric's best work was with Cream personally.

Yeah, he played with a little more oomph, and using Gibsons insead of Strats made his tone a bit ballsier too.

The biggest insult you can give him is that he has been bland for quite a while. I have grown to appreciate him despite being underwhelmed by him for 30 years.

I'm cool with his post-1970s stuff too but obviously he had edge in one period and that was the Cream years. It was really the only time I think he was inventive. It's good he did bring blues to the 1960s/1970s rock scene though.

The Yardbirds, Cream & Blind Faith not to mention Derek & The Dominos where his best period no doubt

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how about some Santana. imo he should be at least #2. i mean if you've ever heard him live at an outdoor venue, it's like he's connected to the stars. (i always get 1st to 3rd row center seats when he comes to my area) imo, he's a far underated guitarist. he survived the 60's, and 70's, he's here now and he's still great.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...os_Santana

Santana became famous in the late 1960s and early 1970s with his band, Santana, which pioneered rock, salsa and jazz fusion. The band's sound featured his melodic, blues-based guitar lines set against Latin and African rhythms featuring percussion instruments such as timbales and congas not generally heard in rock music. Santana continued to work in these forms over the following decades. He experienced a resurgence of popularity and critical acclaim in the late 1990s. In 2003, Rolling Stone magazine listed Santana at number 15 on their list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. He has won 10 Grammy Awards and 3 Latin Grammy Awards.

then:

link: Carlos Santana Evil Ways Woodstock 1969

now:

link: Carlos Santana -- Black Magic Woman [[ Official Live Video ]] HQ

a master music fusion-ologist is what i like to call Mr. Carlos Santana.

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Gunsnhalen said:

The Yardbirds, Cream & Bad Faith not to mention Derek & The Dominos where his best period no doubt

You mean BLIND Faith?

For some reason I don't know if his tenure with the Yardbirds was THAT worth it, I think he only stayed with them for 18 months and left just as when they were getting famous ("For Your Love") and got more known with Jimmy Page as a member (after Eric left).

Derek was an Eric project from day one. It didn't seem like a band as opposed to something Eric was experimenting with.

Cream was quite different because it was three members IN SYNC (most of the time). Plus dude was trying to get away from people hyping him as "God" because of his guitar playing.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

The Yardbirds, Cream & Bad Faith not to mention Derek & The Dominos where his best period no doubt

You mean BLIND Faith?

For some reason I don't know if his tenure with the Yardbirds was THAT worth it, I think he only stayed with them for 18 months and left just as when they were getting famous ("For Your Love") and got more known with Jimmy Page as a member (after Eric left).

Derek was an Eric project from day one. It didn't seem like a band as opposed to something Eric was experimenting with.

Cream was quite different because it was three members IN SYNC (most of the time). Plus dude was trying to get away from people hyping him as "God" because of his guitar playing.

Sweet freaking kittens on a burning house how many times am i going to mispell that today

I still love Derek though, even though it was basically an Eric project. 98 percent of the songs where about Patti... he had it bad for this woman. I loved reading her auto bio

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

You mean BLIND Faith?

For some reason I don't know if his tenure with the Yardbirds was THAT worth it, I think he only stayed with them for 18 months and left just as when they were getting famous ("For Your Love") and got more known with Jimmy Page as a member (after Eric left).

Derek was an Eric project from day one. It didn't seem like a band as opposed to something Eric was experimenting with.

Cream was quite different because it was three members IN SYNC (most of the time). Plus dude was trying to get away from people hyping him as "God" because of his guitar playing.

Sweet freaking kittens on a burning house how many times am i going to mispell that today

I still love Derek though, even though it was basically an Eric project. 98 percent of the songs where about Patti... he had it bad for this woman. I loved reading her auto bio

Talk about being pussy whipped.

For my money Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs was by a very wide margin the best thing that he ever did. There was some great stuff with Cream but some of it hasn't aged very well.

free2bfreeda said:

how about some Santana. imo he should be at least #2. i mean if you've ever heard him live at an outdoor venue, it's like he's connected to the stars. (i always get 1st to 3rd row center seats when he comes to my area) imo, he's a far underated guitarist. he survived the 60's, and 70's, he's here now and he's still great.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...os_Santana

Santana became famous in the late 1960s and early 1970s with his band, Santana, which pioneered rock, salsa and jazz fusion. The band's sound featured his melodic, blues-based guitar lines set against Latin and African rhythms featuring percussion instruments such as timbales and congas not generally heard in rock music. Santana continued to work in these forms over the following decades. He experienced a resurgence of popularity and critical acclaim in the late 1990s. In 2003, Rolling Stone magazine listed Santana at number 15 on their list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. He has won 10 Grammy Awards and 3 Latin Grammy Awards.

then:

link: Carlos Santana Evil Ways Woodstock 1969

now:

link: Carlos Santana -- Black Magic Woman [[ Official Live Video ]] HQ

a master music fuse-ologist is what i like to call Mr. Carlos Santana.

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I was shocked to see he wasn't

What a load of bull.

As big a Hendrix fan as I am, no way is he the "Best Guitarist" in the truest sense of the term.
One of the most innovative and creative, now you're talking.
He's someone who opened a portal into what an electric guitar is capable of.

I went and looked up the actual article in Rolling Stone and to my relief, based on the setup, it sounded reasonable...

"We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else."

...This makes perfect sense since no criteria is established for the selections.

But I guess in the current climate of extremism, The 100 Favorite Guitarists Of All Time doesn't play as well as The 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time.
And of course this leads to the wire service ramping it up a notch by using the headline Rolling Stone names Hendrix best guitarist ever.

Much ado about nothing on my part? Probably.
More of a pet peeve about using the term "Best [fill in the blank]" (with no selection criteria) when Favorite is more accurate.

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theAudience said:

What a load of bull.

As big a Hendrix fan as I am, no way is he the "Best Guitarist" in the truest sense of the term.
One of the most innovative and creative, now you're talking.
He's someone who opened a portal into what an electric guitar is capable of.

I went and looked up the actual article in Rolling Stone and to my relief, based on the setup, it sounded reasonable...

"We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else."

...This makes perfect sense since no criteria is established for the selections.

But I guess in the current climate of extremism, The 100 Favorite Guitarists Of All Time doesn't play as well as The 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time.
And of course this leads to the wire service ramping it up a notch by using the headline Rolling Stone names Hendrix best guitarist ever.

Much ado about nothing on my part? Probably.
More of a pet peeve about using the term "Best [fill in the blank]" (with no selection criteria) when Favorite is more accurate.

Happens here all the time.


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you must be a guitarist to have that kind of gripe. Not that you're wrong, technically speaking there are hundreds, maybe thousands better (who knows) but if you're like me, and you've seen seattle weeklies/papers etc..., plus all the other guitar and music mags straight up diss Jimi then it's a sweet thing to see him number one. Here in seattle, they always give Cobain the top spot over jimi for everything and it pisses me off, no comparison, not even in Jimi's league. Jimi was more than a guitarist, he was a production pioneer, great songwriter, fantastic showman. No one seriously picks up the guitar post-Jimi without lots of his influence. As steve vai has said accurately, "I may play better but I am playing a genre that Jimi created" that speaks volumes. I could go on and on, Jimi had a unique feel to his playing, a raging sound which sounded more organic and soulful than any guitarist I've ever heard, he was the best period.

rialb said:

petes2 said:

for me, it's just good to see a list with Jimi on top, he deserves it and usually they come up with some white guy to give that to. The rest of the list is nearly incidental. Truth be told, there are thousands and thousands of great guitarists no one will ever hear of. I could probably go any day of the week to some club and find better technical players than 80 percent of that list. Playing doesn't really mean anything by itself, that's why a Jimi was special, the entire package was incredible and he comes from my town too!

Huh? I don't think I've ever seen one of these lists where Jimi wasn't number one. Can you cite an example where "some white guy" was ranked ahead of him?

you haven't seen many guitar mags then, usually it's some white guy, and in seattle they always give Nirvana the top accolades. Sorry if you're sensitive.

This list is a joke! Rolling Stone never fails to squeeze in some overrated, mediocre white (sorry, but it's the truth) artist in the Top 10 of their lists.

Clapton #2? Pfft.

theAudience said:

What a load of bull.

As big a Hendrix fan as I am, no way is he the "Best Guitarist" in the truest sense of the term.
One of the most innovative and creative, now you're talking.
He's someone who opened a portal into what an electric guitar is capable of.

I went and looked up the actual article in Rolling Stone and to my relief, based on the setup, it sounded reasonable...

"We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else."

...This makes perfect sense since no criteria is established for the selections.

But I guess in the current climate of extremism, The 100 Favorite Guitarists Of All Time doesn't play as well as The 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time.
And of course this leads to the wire service ramping it up a notch by using the headline Rolling Stone names Hendrix best guitarist ever.

Much ado about nothing on my part? Probably.
More of a pet peeve about using the term "Best [fill in the blank]" (with no selection criteria) when Favorite is more accurate.

Happens here all the time.


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Yes, in the end it is just a poll, and the results are way different than even the same list in the same magazing from another year.

But I agree, "best" is something of an irritating word because it implies something quantifiable about the playing, where even "greatest" is an improvement as it's a little more vague, incorporating impact and popularity along with the pure technical skill that "best" suggests.

rialb said:

Well, maybe not on any pre 1967 lists.

Did they even make these kinds of lists that far back? If so I bet it would be funny to see who made the cut.

If you're not limited to Rock/Pop/R&B artists, Downbeat magazine has been running a "Readers Poll" since 1936 and a "Critics Poll" since 1953.

Both of which include a Guitar category:

http://www.downbeat.com/d...cpollindex

Their picks focus on Jazz players and loosen up to include at least some Fusion players in later years.




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petes2 said:

you must be a guitarist to have that kind of gripe. Not that you're wrong, technically speaking there are hundreds, maybe thousands better (who knows) but if you're like me, and you've seen seattle weeklies/papers etc..., plus all the other guitar and music mags straight up diss Jimi then it's a sweet thing to see him number one. Here in seattle, they always give Cobain the top spot over jimi for everything and it pisses me off, no comparison, not even in Jimi's league. Jimi was more than a guitarist, he was a production pioneer, great songwriter, fantastic showman. No one seriously picks up the guitar post-Jimi without lots of his influence. As steve vai has said accurately, "I may play better but I am playing a genre that Jimi created" that speaks volumes. I could go on and on, Jimi had a unique feel to his playing, a raging sound which sounded more organic and soulful than any guitarist I've ever heard, he was the best period.

Yes i'm a guitarist.

You'll find no bigger Hendrix fan than me and am very aware of all his musical contributions: http://prince.org/msg/8/323946

And yes if I lived in Seattle and had to put up with the local press touting Cobain over Hendrix as a guitarist, i'd be plenty pissed also.

That being said, it still doesn't change the facts.

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petes2 said:

rialb said:

Huh? I don't think I've ever seen one of these lists where Jimi wasn't number one. Can you cite an example where "some white guy" was ranked ahead of him?

you haven't seen many guitar mags then, usually it's some white guy, and in seattle they always give Nirvana the top accolades. Sorry if you're sensitive.

I haven't seen any recent guitar magazines but I did read a ton of them in the '90s and Jimi was almost always regarded as the "best" guitarist unless it was a genre specific list (for example, you wouldn't expect him to be named the best jazz or country and western guitarist). Could you provide a single example of "some white guy" being ranked ahead of him?

I may be sensitive about some things but Rolling Stone magazine's list of the best guitarists is not one of them. I don't mean to keep picking on the guy but to me the best example of why the list is not to be taken too seriously is because John Lennon made the cut.