rialb said:

angel345 said:

Chuck Berry?

Don't you dare question Chuck's inclusion! Technically he may not be the best but as far as influence goes he definitely deserves to be in the top ten, maybe top five. For many people rock guitar starts and ends with Chuck Berry.

I don't think it is a stretch to say that without Chuck the history of rock and roll would be very different. Who knows, without Chuck maybe the guitar never would have caught on like it did and every young kid would be aspiring to be a piano hero?

Stone free is my favourite guitar solo of all time. I dont care if other players are more technical or their solos are more difficult, i have never heard a more melodic solo than this one. Jimi deserves his place.

rialb said:

angel345 said:

Chuck Berry?

Don't you dare question Chuck's inclusion! Technically he may not be the best but as far as influence goes he definitely deserves to be in the top ten, maybe top five. For many people rock guitar starts and ends with Chuck Berry.

I don't think it is a stretch to say that without Chuck the history of rock and roll would be very different. Who knows, without Chuck maybe the guitar never would have caught on like it did and every young kid would be aspiring to be a piano hero?

Well, I am glad that the thought of Chuck Berry has crossed my mind

BlaqueKnight said:

RnBAmbassador said:

I hardly consider 4 years of recorded legacy a large body of work. His career of being widley known was from 1967 to 1970. You have the right to like who you want to as the best, and so do I. For emphasis i will say it again, these lists should only include the living - those that can still be current by releasing new product.

Hendrix shall always have a place as one of the greatest rock and blues guitarists of all-time, but some 40 years after his death, I doubt if it fair to say he is still the best.

Methinks you underestimate the power of Jimi. He changed the game forever!

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i'll take 1 album from Jimi Hendrix over any shit by eric "the racist" clapton and any other shitty guitarist that is living today.

fuck em all.

jimi was and is the greatest, so bow down and take your "living guitarist" list and shove it up jeff beck's pasty asshole.

failing that, shove a rickenbacker up eric clapton's tight ass to give him some life.

dirtyman2005 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Methinks you underestimate the power of Jimi. He changed the game forever!

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i'll take 1 album from Jimi Hendrix over any shit by eric "the racist" clapton and any other shitty guitarist that is living today.

fuck em all.

jimi was and is the greatest, so bow down and take your "living guitarist" list and shove it up jeff beck's pasty asshole.

failing that, shove a rickenbacker up eric clapton's tight ass to give him some life.

Hmmm where is this racists shit about clapton coming from? proof? i need receipts baby.

Clapton worked with Jimi, is best friend's with Buddy Guy & BB King, and is influenced by blues..... AKA black artists. Started the Robert Johnson rehab center named after the legendary bluesman and even got his complete collection released. And he is friend's with Stevie Wonder.... and was good friend's with Ray charles, Barry White etc

How was he ''racists'

Jimi is great for far more than his solos. He was the only guitar player in the band, and he had to fill so much space, even while he sang.

It is his rhythm playing that is most impressive to me now, even though it is his lead playing that may have been his legacy for others to copy

Tremolina said:

'Rolling Stone names Best Guitarist Ever'

Reuters) - Legendary musician Jimi Hendrix was named the greatest guitar player in history on Wednesday by Rolling Stone magazine in a list compiled by a panel of music experts and top guitar players.

"Jimi Hendrix exploded our idea of what rock music could be: He manipulated the guitar, the whammy bar, the studio and the stage," said Grammy-winning guitarist Tom Morello in the magazine, citing Hendrix's "Purple Haze" and "The Star-Spangled Banner" as key tracks.

Jimi hendrix - November 27th marks the date of Jimi Hendrix birth.

In 1976 Eric Clapton said the following on stage in the UK:

" Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. Wogs I mean, I'm looking at you. Where are you? I'm sorry but some fucking wog...Arab grabbed my wife's bum, you know? Surely got to be said, yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking (indecipherable) don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

Clapton went into a rap about Enoch. His initial line was "Enoch's right — I think we should send them back." I don't think he said "nigger" he said "wogs". He definitely said, "Keep Britain White". Nobody cheered, but after he played another song, he did the same again. It was extraordinary — but he stood there being overtly offensive and racist. I was completely mystified as to why this man playing black music would behave this way.

This rant by Clapton stage was the reason ROCK AGAINST RACISM was formed

Gunsnhalen said:

dirtyman2005 said:

i'll take 1 album from Jimi Hendrix over any shit by eric "the racist" clapton and any other shitty guitarist that is living today.

fuck em all.

jimi was and is the greatest, so bow down and take your "living guitarist" list and shove it up jeff beck's pasty asshole.

failing that, shove a rickenbacker up eric clapton's tight ass to give him some life.

Hmmm where is this racists shit about clapton coming from? proof? i need receipts baby.

Clapton worked with Jimi, is best friend's with Buddy Guy & BB King, and is influenced by blues..... AKA black artists. Started the Robert Johnson rehab center named after the legendary bluesman and even got his complete collection released. And he is friend's with Stevie Wonder.... and was good friend's with Ray charles, Barry White etc

How was he ''racists'

Gunsnhalen said:

Hmmm where is this racists shit about clapton coming from? proof? i need receipts baby.

Clapton worked with Jimi, is best friend's with Buddy Guy & BB King, and is influenced by blues..... AKA black artists. Started the Robert Johnson rehab center named after the legendary bluesman and even got his complete collection released. And he is friend's with Stevie Wonder.... and was good friend's with Ray charles, Barry White etc

How was he ''racists'

Rock Against Racism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nst_Racism

Originally conceived as a one-off concert with a message against racism, Rock Against Racism was founded in 1976 by Red Saunders, Roger Huddle and others. According to Huddle, "it remained just an idea until August 1976" when Eric Clapton made a drunken declaration of support for former Conservative minister Enoch Powell (known for his anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech) at a concert in Birmingham. Clapton told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony".

He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the wogs out, get the coons out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".

Huddle, Saunders and two members of Kartoon Klowns responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's comments, which they claimed were "all the more disgusting because he had his first hit with a cover of reggae star Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff" ... Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black. Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!". At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they report that they received hundreds of replies.

^{(although clapton later went on to include black musicians in his stage line up, it is said he never apologized for his racist statements. while erick might be a near great musician in the eyes and ears of some, imo his guitar skills are totally synthetic and possess no originality.)}

free2bfreeda said:

Rock Against Racism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nst_Racism

Originally conceived as a one-off concert with a message against racism, Rock Against Racism was founded in 1976 by Red Saunders, Roger Huddle and others. According to Huddle, "it remained just an idea until August 1976" when Eric Clapton made a drunken declaration of support for former Conservative minister Enoch Powell (known for his anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech) at a concert in Birmingham. Clapton told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony".

He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the wogs out, get the coons out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".

Huddle, Saunders and two members of Kartoon Klowns responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's comments, which they claimed were "all the more disgusting because he had his first hit with a cover of reggae star Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff" ... Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black. Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!". At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they report that they received hundreds of replies.

^{(although clapton later went on to include black musicians in his stage line up, it is said he never apologized for his racist statements. while erick might be a near great musician in the eyes and ears of some, imo his guitar skills are totally synthetic and possess no originality.)}

well, like my black stepdad used to say "a drunk tongue speaks a sober mind". I recall hearing that, it doesn't matter to me though simply because I've never taken any interest in the guy whatsoever, I guess if I thought highly of him I'd be dissapointed.

Gunsnhalen said:

rialb said:

Don't you dare question Chuck's inclusion! Technically he may not be the best but as far as influence goes he definitely deserves to be in the top ten, maybe top five. For many people rock guitar starts and ends with Chuck Berry.

I don't think it is a stretch to say that without Chuck the history of rock and roll would be very different. Who knows, without Chuck maybe the guitar never would have caught on like it did and every young kid would be aspiring to be a piano hero?

you're absolutely right, I mentioned that historical and or artistic significance had to be part of the criteria, Scotty Moore isn't a great guitarist to my knowledge but he was a key part of Elvis' style. Chuck has said he's an average musician, I'd say that's modesty, he's much better than that but his real influence was his style. If I had a gun to my head and was asked who was the truest king of rock and roll, I'd have to say chuck even though I hate to pick any of them. chuck was the purest.

Wow Eric.......wow

Eric has always played with black musicians.... it's insane he really said that ignorant shit.

I read he quotes years later saying

''There's no way I could be a racist. It would make no sense''

In a December 2007 interview with Melvin Bragg on The South Bank Show, Clapton reiterated his support for Enoch Powell and again denied that Powell's views were "racist"

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no Frehley/Stanley either

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JoeTyler said:

no Frehley/Stanley either

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Stanley?

For such greats songs like lick it up, unholly, bang bang you, heavens on fire, black diamond

JoeTyler said:

no Frehley/Stanley either

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I love Ace and an argument could be made that he was extremely influential, practically every rock band of the '80s/'90s digs Kiss and Ace, but I don't think he is one of the 100 best guitarists of the rock era.

Gunsnhalen said:

JoeTyler said:

no Frehley/Stanley either

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Stanley?

For such greats songs like lick it up, unholly, bang bang you, heavens on fire, black diamond

Actually Gene and Vinnie Vincent wrote "Unholy."

What is wrong with "Black Diamond?" It's a terrific song.

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

no Frehley/Stanley either

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I love Ace and an argument could be made that he was extremely influential, practically every rock band of the '80s/'90s digs Kiss and Ace, but I don't think he is one of the 100 best guitarists of the rock era.

oh cmon, perhaps not in the top50 or top70 but he deserved to be at least in the top90. c'mon there are NOT 101 better guitarists than Ace; Space Ace and Eddie VH are the guys that paved the way for 80s hard-rock...Perry too...

and Stanley is perhaps THE most underrated rhythm guitarist, EVER. Give me Paul S, forget about that Malcolm Young...

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Well, I'm not a guitarist expert and have no idea how I could judge them.

I always like Jan Akkerman a lot, he's Dutch.

and a friend recently pointed Nels Cline out to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nels_Cline

He's right, Nels Cline seems a very good guitarist.

I will also check out some of the others that are named overhere.

I do love Prince as a guitar player. And personally have him up higher at my top 3 list of guitarplayers

Eric Clapton ha never apologized for his 1976 racist rant. Others are trying to offer excuse of him being drunk. The guitarust has done many interviews and has written a book and does not retract his statements that he made on two occasions. I have never been a huge Clapton fan, and after researching this and finding out he said these things, I totally ignore him. Similar for Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles, "A blind ass nigger", and Robert Plant saying, "Coon music".

I don't know where the fuck these Caucasian artists get off when all three of them have stolen a many a licks, riff and influences from those they call "coons", "Niggers", etc.

Now that I think of it,

I would love to see Prince, Santana, Akkerman and Cline play together.

That would be something.

Dewrede said:

^

Yeah , no Zakk Wylde either

Just looked him up and saw some solos on the channelwedon'tmentionhere.

He's great!

RnBAmbassador said:

Eric Clapton ha never apologized for his 1976 racist rant. Others are trying to offer excuse of him being drunk. The guitarust has done many interviews and has written a book and does not retract his statements that he made on two occasions. I have never been a huge Clapton fan, and after researching this and finding out he said these things, I totally ignore him. Similar for Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles, "A blind ass nigger", and Robert Plant saying, "Coon music".

I don't know where the fuck these Caucasian artists get off when all three of them have stolen a many a licks, riff and influences from those they call "coons", "Niggers", etc.

Yes. They should have apologised for that. I agree.

However, don't generalise all Causcasian artists, there are racists among every race.

There is a difference between racist and prejudiced. I do not think Blacks in America cna be racists, because we do not control anything. To be a racist gives you the power to deny other races the right to equal access. We had to have a 1964 Civil Rights Bill, and have never been full included in the Constituiton, which is why every so many years the Voting Rights Bill has to be approved again. We do not control the institutions of the USA, and only make up 11.5% of the population. The amount of tunes that Clapton in Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, etc. all ripped off from Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, etc. shows the sentiment of superiority and right of privilege. Anyway to hell with Clapton, Plant, Ted Nugent and all the other assholes that spew this crap.

dJJ said:

RnBAmbassador said:

Eric Clapton ha never apologized for his 1976 racist rant. Others are trying to offer excuse of him being drunk. The guitarust has done many interviews and has written a book and does not retract his statements that he made on two occasions. I have never been a huge Clapton fan, and after researching this and finding out he said these things, I totally ignore him. Similar for Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles, "A blind ass nigger", and Robert Plant saying, "Coon music".

I don't know where the fuck these Caucasian artists get off when all three of them have stolen a many a licks, riff and influences from those they call "coons", "Niggers", etc.

Yes. They should have apologised for that. I agree.

However, don't generalise all Causcasian artists, there are racists among every race.

RnBAmbassador said:

There is a difference between racist and prejudiced. I do not think Blacks in America cna be racists, because we do not control anything. To be a racist gives you the power to deny other races the right to equal access. We had to have a 1964 Civil Rights Bill, and have never been full included in the Constituiton, which is why every so many years the Voting Rights Bill has to be approved again. We do not control the institutions of the USA, and only make up 11.5% of the population. The amount of tunes that Clapton in Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, etc. all ripped off from Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, etc. shows the sentiment of superiority and right of privilege. Anyway to hell with Clapton, Plant, Ted Nugent and all the other assholes that spew this crap.

dJJ said:

Yes. They should have apologised for that. I agree.

However, don't generalise all Causcasian artists, there are racists among every race.

With their feelings of hatred, anger and racism they will create their own hell.

I really like this one. Not his spitting. It's as if his guitar is an extra limb. Amazing

JoeTyler said:

rialb said:

I love Ace and an argument could be made that he was extremely influential, practically every rock band of the '80s/'90s digs Kiss and Ace, but I don't think he is one of the 100 best guitarists of the rock era.

oh cmon, perhaps not in the top50 or top70 but he deserved to be at least in the top90. c'mon there are NOT 101 better guitarists than Ace; Space Ace and Eddie VH are the guys that paved the way for 80s hard-rock...Perry too...

and Stanley is perhaps THE most underrated rhythm guitarist, EVER. Give me Paul S, forget about that Malcolm Young...

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I guess that maybe it is a sign of the changing times that Ace did not make the list. 10, 15 or 20 years ago he probably would have made it but when you look at the music scene today his influence is not as apparent as it once was.

Was the list just titled best guitarists? Realistically there are probably enough great jazz guitarists that could have beaten Ace for any of those bottom ten-twenty spots. I didn't pay much attention to the list, did Grant Green or Wes Montgomery make it? The list seemed a bit light on jazz players. Ultimately these lists are just silly. For my money Barney Kessel was one of the best guitarists of the '50s and he was snubbed. Bert Jansch, while not a household name, was quite influential and probably should have made the cut. I think that Graham Coxon is miles ahead of Jonny Greenwood but the critics love Radiohead so he made the cut. The fact that some people were snubbed does not lessen their greatness it just underscores how pointless these lists are. I mean if they honestly believe that John Lennon is one of the hundred greatest guitarists then I think that proves the list is severely flawed.

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

oh cmon, perhaps not in the top50 or top70 but he deserved to be at least in the top90. c'mon there are NOT 101 better guitarists than Ace; Space Ace and Eddie VH are the guys that paved the way for 80s hard-rock...Perry too...

and Stanley is perhaps THE most underrated rhythm guitarist, EVER. Give me Paul S, forget about that Malcolm Young...

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I guess that maybe it is a sign of the changing times that Ace did not make the list. 10, 15 or 20 years ago he probably would have made it but when you look at the music scene today his influence is not as apparent as it once was.

Was the list just titled best guitarists? Realistically there are probably enough great jazz guitarists that could have beaten Ace for any of those bottom ten-twenty spots. I didn't pay much attention to the list, did Grant Green or Wes Montgomery make it? The list seemed a bit light on jazz players. Ultimately these lists are just silly. For my money Barney Kessel was one of the best guitarists of the '50s and he was snubbed. Bert Jansch, while not a household name, was quite influential and probably should have made the cut. I think that Graham Coxon is miles ahead of Jonny Greenwood but the critics love Radiohead so he made the cut. The fact that some people were snubbed does not lessen their greatness it just underscores how pointless these lists are. I mean if they honestly believe that John Lennon is one of the hundred greatest guitarists then I think that proves the list is severely flawed.

Yes. And thank you for all these names. I will check them out. Had not hear a lot of them before.

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

oh cmon, perhaps not in the top50 or top70 but he deserved to be at least in the top90. c'mon there are NOT 101 better guitarists than Ace; Space Ace and Eddie VH are the guys that paved the way for 80s hard-rock...Perry too...

and Stanley is perhaps THE most underrated rhythm guitarist, EVER. Give me Paul S, forget about that Malcolm Young...

[Edited 11/27/11 6:39am]

I guess that maybe it is a sign of the changing times that Ace did not make the list. 10, 15 or 20 years ago he probably would have made it but when you look at the music scene today his influence is not as apparent as it once was.

Was the list just titled best guitarists? Realistically there are probably enough great jazz guitarists that could have beaten Ace for any of those bottom ten-twenty spots. I didn't pay much attention to the list, did Grant Green or Wes Montgomery make it? The list seemed a bit light on jazz players. Ultimately these lists are just silly. For my money Barney Kessel was one of the best guitarists of the '50s and he was snubbed. Bert Jansch, while not a household name, was quite influential and probably should have made the cut. I think that Graham Coxon is miles ahead of Jonny Greenwood but the critics love Radiohead so he made the cut. The fact that some people were snubbed does not lessen their greatness it just underscores how pointless these lists are. I mean if they honestly believe that John Lennon is one of the hundred greatest guitarists then I think that proves the list is severely flawed.

that's pretty much the final conclusion

RnBAmbassador said:

Eric Clapton ha never apologized for his 1976 racist rant. Others are trying to offer excuse of him being drunk. The guitarust has done many interviews and has written a book and does not retract his statements that he made on two occasions. I have never been a huge Clapton fan, and after researching this and finding out he said these things, I totally ignore him. Similar for Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles, "A blind ass nigger", and Robert Plant saying, "Coon music".

I don't know where the fuck these Caucasian artists get off when all three of them have stolen a many a licks, riff and influences from those they call "coons", "Niggers", etc.

for you from Free2bfreeda (-:

link/click here: When Eric Clapton met Jimi Hendrix

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