That was the 90's, this is 2003 and he is still doing the same shit.

XLBubba said:

R Kelly is still popular because he brought out the dirty innuendo of blues music and set a trend with it. He's not poetic about it by any means. Any 13 year old can write lyrics like Bump N' Grind, You Remind Me of a Jeep, and Ignition. Johnny Taylor, RIP, could've written and sang the same songs. But the man does have a knack for production and he put those qualities into R&B in the early 90s.

Where is this talent of which you speak? All of his songs sounds dreadful to my ears. His lack of singing ability is overshadowed only by his massively oversized ego.

R Kelly is not a waste of talent. He's a waste of skin. A waste of cells, atoms, molecules. The fact that he occupies the same universe as myself is an offense, and I want something done about it!

It's there Ian. It's nothing remarkable, but it's there. But usually his most mediocre stuff is used on himself. Look at his productions for other artists. When he's good, he's really good:

Luther Vandross - (When You Call On Me-That's When I Come Runnin)
Isley Brothers - Let's Lay Together
K-Ci and Jojo - Life
Sparkle - Be Careful

When he's bad, he can bring out the worst in an artist:

Kelly Price - Friend of Mine
Maxwell - Fortunate
Isley Brothers - Contagious (nice groove, but the Mr. Biggs persona is so beneath Ron Isley, the voice behind Voyage to Atlantis)

He's really talented you've just got to pick and choose carefully with the guy.

Where is this talent of which you speak? All of his songs sounds dreadful to my ears. His lack of singing ability is overshadowed only by his massively oversized ego.

R Kelly is not a waste of talent. He's a waste of skin. A waste of cells, atoms, molecules. The fact that he occupies the same universe as myself is an offense, and I want something done about it!

PS yes I am feeling a bit "anti everything" today but my opinion of R Kelly will never waver. And I thought he was a twat long before he was shagging kids!

he's talented, he just isn't the most pleasent person

lovebizzare said:

Alot of R.Kelly Haters have no Clue whatsoever&Don't know what's happening with R&B Music over the past Decade.R.Kelly gets Madd Props from R&B,Pop&Hip-Hop Heads.Quincy Jones,Ronald Isley,Michael Jackson think alot about the Cat's Talent&that Speaks Volumes when it Comes to Music History.Haters on R.Kelly need to step off&Get R-ducated.

mistermaxxx said:

Well I'm an "R Kelly hater" and I know exactly what "is going on with R&B music over the past decade". And the people that you list - Quincy Jones, MJ etc - have nothing to do with it

ian said:

It's there Ian. It's nothing remarkable, but it's there. But usually his most mediocre stuff is used on himself. Look at his productions for other artists. When he's good, he's really good:

Luther Vandross - (When You Call On Me-That's When I Come Runnin)
Isley Brothers - Let's Lay Together
K-Ci and Jojo - Life
Sparkle - Be Careful

When he's bad, he can bring out the worst in an artist:

Kelly Price - Friend of Mine
Maxwell - Fortunate
Isley Brothers - Contagious (nice groove, but the Mr. Biggs persona is so beneath Ron Isley, the voice behind Voyage to Atlantis)

He's really talented you've just got to pick and choose carefully with the guy.

'chocolate factory'? is he trying to entice more kids with a title like that?

I wonder if he will record new music from behind bars?

The guy is very prolific, no mention for "You Are Not Alone", Michael Jackson's biggest hit since when?

"Fortunate" is seen by many Maxwell fans as his best song since the debut album while "Contagious" is the joint IMO.

"Be Careful" with Sparkle is great, Aaliyah's debut LP...

DavidEye said:

Perhaps, or maybe a buddy within the music industry will give him some tips on multi-million pay off deals to make child abuse claims cease...

Essence said:

Fortunate would have been a better song for himself. As for Maxwell, I just don't think the song fit his mellosmooth soul thing he had going. Fortunate tainted that image for me. Contagious is a good song, but I think the Isley's are worthy of better lyrics than "nobody's called me but my homies and some bill collectors"

Essence said:

"make child abuse claims cease"?

Uh,how can he make a SEX VIDEO cease?

Essence said:

"make child abuse claims cease"?

Uh,how can he make a SEX VIDEO cease?

I agree with Ian (sorry mistermaxx).R.Kelly's music sucks. Actually,I feel this way about most of today's R&B music.So much of it is crap.R.Kelly can sing,and he's done some decent songs,but too often he uses the same cliches and ideas that everyone else in R&B is using (heavy bass,the occasional guest rapper,the ever-present "hip-hop/thug" mentality,heavy emphasis on sexual lyrics,bragging about his sexual prowess,etc).It all gets tired after awhile.As a songwriter,he seems to write only two types of songs...the sexually explicit slow jams,and the big,over-produced,choir-boosted "I Can Fly"-type songs.And why does every slow jam have to sound like an old Isley Brothers track?

DavidEye said:

The multi-million payoff would make the chance of going behind bars cease. His buddy within the industry can tell him the suspicion remains regardless...

chickengrease said:

The guy is very prolific, no mention for "You Are Not Alone", Michael Jackson's biggest hit since when?

"Fortunate" is seen by many Maxwell fans as his best song since the debut album while "Contagious" is the joint IMO.

"Be Careful" with Sparkle is great, Aaliyah's debut LP...

mistermaxxx said:

Well I'm an "R Kelly hater" and I know exactly what "is going on with R&B music over the past decade". And the people that you list - Quincy Jones, MJ etc - have nothing to do with it

ian said:

I agree with Ian (sorry mistermaxx).R.Kelly's music sucks. Actually,I feel this way about most of today's R&B music.So much of it is crap.R.Kelly can sing,and he's done some decent songs,but too often he uses the same cliches and ideas that everyone else in R&B is using (heavy bass,the occasional guest rapper,the ever-present "hip-hop/thug" mentality,heavy emphasis on sexual lyrics,bragging about his sexual prowess,etc).It all gets tired after awhile.As a songwriter,he seems to write only two types of songs...the sexually explicit slow jams,and the big,over-produced,choir-boosted "I Can Fly"-type songs.And why does every slow jam have to sound like an old Isley Brothers track?




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I wonder if he will record new music from behind bars?

DavidEye said:

But the bragging with the sexual prowess, sexual lyrics , and isn't that the R&B version of some rap music? I think that's why people liked him. because of the kind of genre that supposed to be an equivalent to some rap music that is supposed to be the 'hot' thing...

I don't want to 'defend' R.Kelly, but I grew lovin' his slow jams before I started to dive into Prince's music, because at that time, I heard was what on the radio, and whatever was there, was what I heard, and ofcourse I see can see and know the difference now, but again, if you've read this far, R.Kelly is the R&B man of hip-hop, the softer version of hardcore rap music, let me tell you that some 'thugs', hoodies, whatever you want to call them, you know who there are, be LOVIN' R.Kelly's jams...so in some way, whether good or bad, he's made a difference with the talent he does have...
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