SEANMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

Both RN and janet. tours were neglected from its broadcast. I was kinda mad about that. They also could've shown more footage from the "Control" period as well. There were things about it that needed a change lol

Oh, that thing could've been more than an hour, hell, more than two hours. They skipped most of her acting career, her book, a couple of eras, and the eras they did touch on could've been delved into a lot deeper. All in all, it was good for what it was, but they just scratched the surface. I agree that she had a brain fart in letting JD co-executive produce 20 YO. I remember, before that album even came out, there was a leaked playlist with all different songs, some of which touched on the SB incident. I believe it was called "Janet's Lesson Plan" or something like that, and I don't think JD had any involvement in it. I guess they decided to scrap that idea and went with the songs that we all know.

I heard about that "lesson plan" myself and was real disappointed on what eventually came out. I'm just glad Janet finally got a grip on her career following the release of Discipline though!

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

i didnt hear anybody say she 'saved' him but its a fact he needed her at that time more then she's ever needed him in her career, he knew it and thats why he asked her to do it. i know how big he was around the world at that time but nobody is gonna make me believe mj wouldnt give anything to be on top in america again.the love and respect in this country didnt really return until he died, which is sad.

Thats not what Ellie was implying.

The poster was implying that MJ has always been bigger than Janet which is true regardless of his low points.. he has always been a bigger star than Janet which is really a understatement a much BIGGER star . He didnt have to work with Janet. He wanted to work with his sister as a double team against the media and for support so its not like he NEEDED her. Janet working with Michael exactly helped HER believe it or not. If anything, he needed her emotionally as a sister not for popularity.

THANK YOU!!! I agree with EVERY word of your post. Even at Michael's lowest points, he was ALWAYS a bigger star than Janet and that's just a fact. It doesn't diminish Janet's success at all and her fans need to realize this. It's just the way it is, was, and always will be.

SEANMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

Both RN and janet. tours were neglected from its broadcast. I was kinda mad about that. They also could've shown more footage from the "Control" period as well. There were things about it that needed a change lol

Oh, that thing could've been more than an hour, hell, more than two hours. They skipped most of her acting career, her book, a couple of eras, and the eras they did touch on could've been delved into a lot deeper. All in all, it was good for what it was, but they just scratched the surface. I agree that she had a brain fart in letting JD co-executive produce 20 YO. I remember, before that album even came out, there was a leaked playlist with all different songs, some of which touched on the SB incident. I believe it was called "Janet's Lesson Plan" or something like that, and I don't think JD had any involvement in it. I guess they decided to scrap that idea and went with the songs that we all know.

Finally saw it earlier this morning.

My thoughts:

It's always cool to see an artist get their respect but they sure went into fast foward with the 2000+ eras. I didn't read Jimmy's comments about the songwriting process for DJ as a falling out either. If there was a breach, I'm sure it came from something more than Terry being surprised she didn't want to write. Who knows, maybe their hiatus will serve a greater purpose for all three. Sometimes you don't realize it until afterwards.

Who would have thought that Janet would make Michael want to go back and redo his vocals?! That was probably just the competitive side of him.

I hope she's inspired to record again. She has the liberty of being a free agent. No pressure from a label, industry boyfriend, etc. Lord knows she has plenty to pull from. However, if she's not ready, leave it alone. As much as I would love to see her come back in a major way, I can wait for something passionate and real.

Musicslave said:

SEANMAN said:

Oh, that thing could've been more than an hour, hell, more than two hours. They skipped most of her acting career, her book, a couple of eras, and the eras they did touch on could've been delved into a lot deeper. All in all, it was good for what it was, but they just scratched the surface. I agree that she had a brain fart in letting JD co-executive produce 20 YO. I remember, before that album even came out, there was a leaked playlist with all different songs, some of which touched on the SB incident. I believe it was called "Janet's Lesson Plan" or something like that, and I don't think JD had any involvement in it. I guess they decided to scrap that idea and went with the songs that we all know.

Finally saw it earlier this morning.

My thoughts:

It's always cool to see an artist get their respect but they sure went into fast foward with the 2000+ eras. I didn't read Jimmy's comments about the songwriting process for DJ as a falling out either. If there was a breach, I'm sure it came from something more than Terry being surprised she didn't want to write. Who knows, maybe their hiatus will serve a greater purpose for all three. Sometimes you don't realize it until afterwards.

Who would have thought that Janet would make Michael want to go back and redo his vocals?! That was probably just the competitive side of him.

I hope she's inspired to record again. She has the liberty of being a free agent. No pressure from a label, industry boyfriend, etc. Lord knows she has plenty to pull from. However, if she's not ready, leave it alone. As much as I would love to see her come back in a major way, I can wait for something passionate and real.

I predict her next one will be out late next year.

Just finished watching it and I thought it was a really well put-together doc.

My one fundamental problem is that I don't get why so much praise is heaped on her. She is not particularly talented - her voice isn't strong and as far as I know she doesn't really play any instruments or write any of the music. Sure, she was a decent performer, understood the importance of marketing, creating hot videos and putting on a show, but in my eyes that doesn't make you a 'legend'.

Jam and Lewis wrote for her and created her sound - and that was what made her (you could argue Quincy Jones did the same for her brother). How much of 'that sound' is down to a Prince infuence is a topic for another day, but I think they deserve a hell of a lot more credit than she does.

I'm not saying that she was a bad artist - I actually quite like some of her stuff, particularly The Velvet Rope. Just think that she's one of the most over-rated artists around.

phunkymunky said:

Just finished watching it and I thought it was a really well put-together doc.

My one fundamental problem is that I don't get why so much praise is heaped on her. She is not particularly talented - her voice isn't strong and as far as I know she doesn't really play any instruments or write any of the music. Sure, she was a decent performer, understood the importance of marketing, creating hot videos and putting on a show, but in my eyes that doesn't make you a 'legend'.

Jam and Lewis wrote for her and created her sound - and that was what made her (you could argue Quincy Jones did the same for her brother). How much of 'that sound' is down to a Prince infuence is a topic for another day, but I think they deserve a hell of a lot more credit than she does.

I'm not saying that she was a bad artist - I actually quite like some of her stuff, particularly The Velvet Rope. Just think that she's one of the most over-rated artists around.

Wow, you are highly uninformed. "As far as you know" is right. Janet wrote or co-wrote a plethora of songs on many of her albums. That's what makes her albums so personal, because she writes from what's going on in her life. Her #1 song Black Cat was written solely by her. She also plays keyboards.

And calling her a "decent" performer is just north of ludicrous. Have you ever seen any of her videos? Have you seen her in concert? She took being a dance diva of the MTV generation to another level. She's also the blueprint for a lot of these younger female pop artists today. That is what makes her a legend. Even any non Janet Jackson fan who truly looks back in music history would have to admit that.

@phunkymunky, I respectfully disagree. Janet definitely earned her "legend" stripes.

alphastreet said:

Before the allegations, people knew MJ was doing his thing and still popular. Though Janet was a popular name during the janet. era I didn't know anything about her, just heard her name in passing in 94 and 95 or something like that but didn't know material yet until Scream and then getting into more work since, unless I heard it and didn't realize.

I don't think popular is the right word choice, his popularity never faded though his reputation may have.

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if you didnt know anything about janet until scream, um ok, but janet wasnt just a 'popular name' during the janet. era, she was huge and her success in the 90's eclisped even her brother. im from the us so before everybody start talking about how nobody knew janet overseas, im talking about here in america.his popularity took a big hit with his changing appearence and it was completely damaged with the allegations. i know its hard for some fans to be unbiased and honest when it comes to certain things about mj but you cant argue facts. i also dont believe you when you say you never heard of janet or none of her music until 94/95.

SEANMAN said:

phunkymunky said:

Just finished watching it and I thought it was a really well put-together doc.

My one fundamental problem is that I don't get why so much praise is heaped on her. She is not particularly talented - her voice isn't strong and as far as I know she doesn't really play any instruments or write any of the music. Sure, she was a decent performer, understood the importance of marketing, creating hot videos and putting on a show, but in my eyes that doesn't make you a 'legend'.

Jam and Lewis wrote for her and created her sound - and that was what made her (you could argue Quincy Jones did the same for her brother). How much of 'that sound' is down to a Prince infuence is a topic for another day, but I think they deserve a hell of a lot more credit than she does.

I'm not saying that she was a bad artist - I actually quite like some of her stuff, particularly The Velvet Rope. Just think that she's one of the most over-rated artists around.

Wow, you are highly uninformed. "As far as you know" is right. Janet wrote or co-wrote a plethora of songs on many of her albums. That's what makes her albums so personal, because she writes from what's going on in her life. Her #1 song Black Cat was written solely by her. She also plays keyboards.

And calling her a "decent" performer is just north of ludicrous. Have you ever seen any of her videos? Have you seen her in concert? She took being a dance diva of the MTV generation to another level. She's also the blueprint for a lot of these younger female pop artists today. That is what makes her a legend. Even any non Janet Jackson fan who truly looks back in music history would have to admit that.

Maybe it's because I'm from the UK where she hasn't been anywhere near as successful - just one #1 album (Janet) and no #1 singles - and I didn't hear a lot of her music as I was growing up in the 80s/early 90s.

phunkymunky said:

Just finished watching it and I thought it was a really well put-together doc.

My one fundamental problem is that I don't get why so much praise is heaped on her. She is not particularly talented - her voice isn't strong and as far as I know she doesn't really play any instruments or write any of the music. Sure, she was a decent performer, understood the importance of marketing, creating hot videos and putting on a show, but in my eyes that doesn't make you a 'legend'.

Jam and Lewis wrote for her and created her sound - and that was what made her (you could argue Quincy Jones did the same for her brother). How much of 'that sound' is down to a Prince infuence is a topic for another day, but I think they deserve a hell of a lot more credit than she does.

I'm not saying that she was a bad artist - I actually quite like some of her stuff, particularly The Velvet Rope. Just think that she's one of the most over-rated artists around.

it's a bit like with MJ. they both get the credit for the records they sang on, even though other people wrote, produced, played and mixed the records and other people made videos for them

many people just don't understand or even care about that, so they think people like lady gaga got there on her own steam, as the record company and PR people have done such a great job that their work is transparent and goes unnoticed

there is a huge prince influence on control in particular. it's the classic time sound on that record. the time sound that prince created. not just the linn drum and ob8 synths etc, but the arrangements and programming

but moving on from control to RN, there's more jam and lewis in there than the prince inspired previous record, and the prince inspiration becomes less from record to record, but it's pretty clear that prince inspiration in the first place got jam and lewis in the position to produce her and get her hits, so without prince, would she have been even half as successful? compared to her 2 previous albums it's unlikely, and none of the other jacksons have had much success in solo music either, so she'd probably have ended up sticking to acting instead of music if jam and lewis didn't produce her third album

unique said:

phunkymunky said:

Just finished watching it and I thought it was a really well put-together doc.

My one fundamental problem is that I don't get why so much praise is heaped on her. She is not particularly talented - her voice isn't strong and as far as I know she doesn't really play any instruments or write any of the music. Sure, she was a decent performer, understood the importance of marketing, creating hot videos and putting on a show, but in my eyes that doesn't make you a 'legend'.

Jam and Lewis wrote for her and created her sound - and that was what made her (you could argue Quincy Jones did the same for her brother). How much of 'that sound' is down to a Prince infuence is a topic for another day, but I think they deserve a hell of a lot more credit than she does.

I'm not saying that she was a bad artist - I actually quite like some of her stuff, particularly The Velvet Rope. Just think that she's one of the most over-rated artists around.

it's a bit like with MJ. they both get the credit for the records they sang on, even though other people wrote, produced, played and mixed the records and other people made videos for them

many people just don't understand or even care about that, so they think people like lady gaga got there on her own steam, as the record company and PR people have done such a great job that their work is transparent and goes unnoticed

there is a huge prince influence on control in particular. it's the classic time sound on that record. the time sound that prince created. not just the linn drum and ob8 synths etc, but the arrangements and programming

but moving on from control to RN, there's more jam and lewis in there than the prince inspired previous record, and the prince inspiration becomes less from record to record, but it's pretty clear that prince inspiration in the first place got jam and lewis in the position to produce her and get her hits, so without prince, would she have been even half as successful? compared to her 2 previous albums it's unlikely, and none of the other jacksons have had much success in solo music either, so she'd probably have ended up sticking to acting instead of music if jam and lewis didn't produce her third album

That's a lot of "ifs". Jam and Lewis, while once Prince proteges, became their own entity. Of course their earlier sound had that Minneapolis vibe to it, but they have their own unique sound as well. It's funny because I think their early stuff (the things they did with SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle and Klymaxx) sounds way different than "Control".

SEANMAN said:

unique said:

it's a bit like with MJ. they both get the credit for the records they sang on, even though other people wrote, produced, played and mixed the records and other people made videos for them

many people just don't understand or even care about that, so they think people like lady gaga got there on her own steam, as the record company and PR people have done such a great job that their work is transparent and goes unnoticed

there is a huge prince influence on control in particular. it's the classic time sound on that record. the time sound that prince created. not just the linn drum and ob8 synths etc, but the arrangements and programming

but moving on from control to RN, there's more jam and lewis in there than the prince inspired previous record, and the prince inspiration becomes less from record to record, but it's pretty clear that prince inspiration in the first place got jam and lewis in the position to produce her and get her hits, so without prince, would she have been even half as successful? compared to her 2 previous albums it's unlikely, and none of the other jacksons have had much success in solo music either, so she'd probably have ended up sticking to acting instead of music if jam and lewis didn't produce her third album

That's a lot of "ifs". Jam and Lewis, while once Prince proteges, became their own entity. Of course their earlier sound had that Minneapolis vibe to it, but they have their own unique sound as well. It's funny because I think their early stuff (the things they did with SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle and Klymaxx) sounds way different than "Control".

that's true, although hearsay does have more than a touch of the time sound. it's like a time album with a different singer. you would have thought alex was the original singer in the time or something. certainly some cherrelle tracks sound like control era tracks

SEANMAN said:

That's a lot of "ifs". Jam and Lewis, while once Prince proteges, became their own entity. Of course their earlier sound had that Minneapolis vibe to it, but they have their own unique sound as well. It's funny because I think their early stuff (the things they did with SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle and Klymaxx) sounds way different than "Control".

That first track they did with Klymaxx, "Wild Girls" is a straight up swagger-jack of "Controversy" LOL

Militant said:

SEANMAN said:

That's a lot of "ifs". Jam and Lewis, while once Prince proteges, became their own entity. Of course their earlier sound had that Minneapolis vibe to it, but they have their own unique sound as well. It's funny because I think their early stuff (the things they did with SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle and Klymaxx) sounds way different than "Control".

That first track they did with Klymaxx, "Wild Girls" is a straight up swagger-jack of "Controversy" LOL

U think?

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unique said:

SEANMAN said:

That's a lot of "ifs". Jam and Lewis, while once Prince proteges, became their own entity. Of course their earlier sound had that Minneapolis vibe to it, but they have their own unique sound as well. It's funny because I think their early stuff (the things they did with SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle and Klymaxx) sounds way different than "Control".

that's true, although hearsay does have more than a touch of the time sound. it's like a time album with a different singer. you would have thought alex was the original singer in the time or something. certainly some cherrelle tracks sound like control era tracks

Trivia: Alex O'Neal was actually the original lead singer in The Time, but got booted because of his drug habit/overinflated ego.

SEANMAN said:

Militant said:

That first track they did with Klymaxx, "Wild Girls" is a straight up swagger-jack of "Controversy" LOL

U think?

[Edited 11/22/11 5:40am]

Big time.

Listen to drop at 0.12, the sound of the keys and bass, hell even the pattern of the vocal melody is similar. There's even a lyric about "if you're straight or gay" LOL

SEANMAN said:

unique said:

that's true, although hearsay does have more than a touch of the time sound. it's like a time album with a different singer. you would have thought alex was the original singer in the time or something. certainly some cherrelle tracks sound like control era tracks

Trivia: Alex O'Neal was actually the original lead singer in The Time, but got booted because of his drug habit/overinflated ego.

Trivia: i knew that, thus the comment

alphastreet said:

Before the allegations, people knew MJ was doing his thing and still popular. Though Janet was a popular name during the janet. era I didn't know anything about her, just heard her name in passing in 94 and 95 or something like that but didn't know material yet until Scream and then getting into more work since, unless I heard it and didn't realize.

I don't think popular is the right word choice, his popularity never faded though his reputation may have.

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Spot On! Very well said... people are confusing that with popularity. There are alot of well known people that I dont like their STILL popular though.

unique said:

SEANMAN said:

Trivia: Alex O'Neal was actually the original lead singer in The Time, but got booted because of his drug habit/overinflated ego.

Trivia: i knew that, thus the comment

Your comment made it seem as if you didn't know it. You can keep the sarcasm.

SEANMAN said:

unique said:

Trivia: i knew that, thus the comment

Your comment made it seem as if you didn't know it. You can keep the sarcasm.

i did. you can't have it

Timmy84 said:

SEANMAN said:

Oh, that thing could've been more than an hour, hell, more than two hours. They skipped most of her acting career, her book, a couple of eras, and the eras they did touch on could've been delved into a lot deeper. All in all, it was good for what it was, but they just scratched the surface. I agree that she had a brain fart in letting JD co-executive produce 20 YO. I remember, before that album even came out, there was a leaked playlist with all different songs, some of which touched on the SB incident. I believe it was called "Janet's Lesson Plan" or something like that, and I don't think JD had any involvement in it. I guess they decided to scrap that idea and went with the songs that we all know.

I heard about that "lesson plan" myself and was real disappointed on what eventually came out. I'm just glad Janet finally got a grip on her career following the release of Discipline though!

Does anyone remember Jimmy or Terry saying they didn't like the way JD produced 20 YO? I remember an article way back with one of them saying JD didn't pick good songs and also mentioning some records Janet did with Dr Dre that were far superior than what was on the album...

Edit: Found "The Lesson Plan"

[Edited 11/22/11 10:54am]

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I heard about that "lesson plan" myself and was real disappointed on what eventually came out. I'm just glad Janet finally got a grip on her career following the release of Discipline though!

Does anyone remember Jimmy or Terry saying they didn't like the way JD produced 20 YO? I remember an article way back with one of them saying JD didn't pick good songs and also mentioning some records Janet did with Dr Dre that were far superior than what was on the album...

Edit: Found "The Lesson Plan"

Artist: JACKSON, JANET Title: The Lesson Plan 1. The Bell (Introduction) 2. Janet's Workout Plan (Practice Makes Perfect) featuring Kanye West & John Legend (produced by Kanye West - Written J. Jackson, K. West, J. Stephens, ) 3. Make The Drums Go (produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett, Bryan M. Cox) 4. Pay Attention (Interlude) 5. Treating Me The Way You Do featuring Ludacris w/ additional vocals by Snoop Dogg (produced by Dr. Dre) 6. Speed It Up (Let Yourself Go) (Written R. Harrison, J. Jackson) 7. A Story About Control (Interlude) 8. Now I'm All Grown Up (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 9. What You Said ? (Produced by Andre Harris & Vidal Davis - Written A. Harris, V. Davis, J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 10. No Interruptions (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 11. Miss Jackson (Produced by Neptunes - Written P. Williams, C. Hugo) 12. Blacklisted (Interlude) 13. Shame On You (Produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, J. Dupri, Bryan M. Cox) 14. Study Hall (Interlude) 15. Four Play (produced by R.Kelly - Written R. Kelly) 16. Wet (Produced by Kwame) 17. Progress featuring Eve (produced by Dr. Dre - Written J. Jackson, Eve, A. Young, S. Garrett) 18. Industry (Interlude) 19. Don't Call It A Comeback (no info available) 20. ****y (no info available) 21. Plan B (Produced by Static - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 22. (untitled) (no info available) 23. (untitled) (no info available) 24. (untitled) (no info available) 25. (untitled) (no info available) 26. (untitled) (no info available)

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Damn Never heard of this one! I do recall reading about Kwame' and Dr. Dre submitting songs for her though. I think JD tried too hard and ASSumed that he could duplicate the success he had with Mariah. Too bad chemistry in the bedroom doesn't always translate to the studio huh JD? But damn, at least you had chemistry dammit! Lil shawt mafucka!

This wasn't the first time she drastically changed directions for a project. I remember Dallas Austin saying before the SB that Damita Jo was channeling some early Prince stuff and it was going to be so raw and provocative but those songs got axed. They apparently toned it down a lot after that Loopy Fiasco.

Musicslave said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Does anyone remember Jimmy or Terry saying they didn't like the way JD produced 20 YO? I remember an article way back with one of them saying JD didn't pick good songs and also mentioning some records Janet did with Dr Dre that were far superior than what was on the album...

Edit: Found "The Lesson Plan"

Artist: JACKSON, JANET Title: The Lesson Plan 1. The Bell (Introduction) 2. Janet's Workout Plan (Practice Makes Perfect) featuring Kanye West & John Legend (produced by Kanye West - Written J. Jackson, K. West, J. Stephens, ) 3. Make The Drums Go (produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett, Bryan M. Cox) 4. Pay Attention (Interlude) 5. Treating Me The Way You Do featuring Ludacris w/ additional vocals by Snoop Dogg (produced by Dr. Dre) 6. Speed It Up (Let Yourself Go) (Written R. Harrison, J. Jackson) 7. A Story About Control (Interlude) 8. Now I'm All Grown Up (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 9. What You Said ? (Produced by Andre Harris & Vidal Davis - Written A. Harris, V. Davis, J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 10. No Interruptions (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 11. Miss Jackson (Produced by Neptunes - Written P. Williams, C. Hugo) 12. Blacklisted (Interlude) 13. Shame On You (Produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, J. Dupri, Bryan M. Cox) 14. Study Hall (Interlude) 15. Four Play (produced by R.Kelly - Written R. Kelly) 16. Wet (Produced by Kwame) 17. Progress featuring Eve (produced by Dr. Dre - Written J. Jackson, Eve, A. Young, S. Garrett) 18. Industry (Interlude) 19. Don't Call It A Comeback (no info available) 20. ****y (no info available) 21. Plan B (Produced by Static - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 22. (untitled) (no info available) 23. (untitled) (no info available) 24. (untitled) (no info available) 25. (untitled) (no info available) 26. (untitled) (no info available)

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Damn Never heard of this one! I do recall reading about Kwame' and Dr. Dre submitting songs for her though. I think JD tried too hard and ASSumed that he could duplicate the success he had with Mariah. Too bad chemistry in the bedroom doesn't always translate to the studio huh JD? But damn, at least you had chemistry dammit! Lil shawt mafucka!

This wasn't the first time she drastically changed directions for a project. I remember Dallas Austin saying before the SB that Damita Jo was channeling some early Prince stuff and it was going to be so raw and provocative but those songs got axed. They apparently toned it down a lot after that Loopy Fiasco.

I'd love to hear the early versions of DJ and 20YO before all the bs took place around it

ViintageJunkiie said:

Musicslave said:

Damn Never heard of this one! I do recall reading about Kwame' and Dr. Dre submitting songs for her though. I think JD tried too hard and ASSumed that he could duplicate the success he had with Mariah. Too bad chemistry in the bedroom doesn't always translate to the studio huh JD? But damn, at least you had chemistry dammit! Lil shawt mafucka!

This wasn't the first time she drastically changed directions for a project. I remember Dallas Austin saying before the SB that Damita Jo was channeling some early Prince stuff and it was going to be so raw and provocative but those songs got axed. They apparently toned it down a lot after that Loopy Fiasco.

I'd love to hear the early versions of DJ and 20YO before all the bs took place around it

Maybe in the next year or two we can actually get a new Janet record without BS around it.

Musicslave said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I'd love to hear the early versions of DJ and 20YO before all the bs took place around it

Maybe in the next year or two we can actually get a new Janet record without BS around it.

*fingers crossed* Hopefully she's in the right space in her life to write some new records

unique said:

SEANMAN said:

Your comment made it seem as if you didn't know it. You can keep the sarcasm.

i did. you can't have it

Crazy, deranged and insane...

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I heard about that "lesson plan" myself and was real disappointed on what eventually came out. I'm just glad Janet finally got a grip on her career following the release of Discipline though!

Does anyone remember Jimmy or Terry saying they didn't like the way JD produced 20 YO? I remember an article way back with one of them saying JD didn't pick good songs and also mentioning some records Janet did with Dr Dre that were far superior than what was on the album...

Edit: Found "The Lesson Plan"

Artist: JACKSON, JANET Title: The Lesson Plan 1. The Bell (Introduction) 2. Janet's Workout Plan (Practice Makes Perfect) featuring Kanye West & John Legend (produced by Kanye West - Written J. Jackson, K. West, J. Stephens, ) 3. Make The Drums Go (produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett, Bryan M. Cox) 4. Pay Attention (Interlude) 5. Treating Me The Way You Do featuring Ludacris w/ additional vocals by Snoop Dogg (produced by Dr. Dre) 6. Speed It Up (Let Yourself Go) (Written R. Harrison, J. Jackson) 7. A Story About Control (Interlude) 8. Now I'm All Grown Up (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 9. What You Said ? (Produced by Andre Harris & Vidal Davis - Written A. Harris, V. Davis, J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 10. No Interruptions (Produced by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis) 11. Miss Jackson (Produced by Neptunes - Written P. Williams, C. Hugo) 12. Blacklisted (Interlude) 13. Shame On You (Produced by Kwame - Written J. Jackson, J. Dupri, Bryan M. Cox) 14. Study Hall (Interlude) 15. Four Play (produced by R.Kelly - Written R. Kelly) 16. Wet (Produced by Kwame) 17. Progress featuring Eve (produced by Dr. Dre - Written J. Jackson, Eve, A. Young, S. Garrett) 18. Industry (Interlude) 19. Don't Call It A Comeback (no info available) 20. ****y (no info available) 21. Plan B (Produced by Static - Written J. Jackson, S. Garrett) 22. (untitled) (no info available) 23. (untitled) (no info available) 24. (untitled) (no info available) 25. (untitled) (no info available) 26. (untitled) (no info available)

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RIGHT!! This is the list that leaked before the album came out!

Musicslave said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I'd love to hear the early versions of DJ and 20YO before all the bs took place around it

Maybe in the next year or two we can actually get a new Janet record without BS around it.

I get the feeling her next album will be drama-free and just what the Dr. ordered.

Just watched and i thought it was great, a little too much Mikey at the beginning but overall really good. damn i need to get som Janet, i have not listened to any of her albums since Janet i can't see prince contributing as much as janet did to the docu next week.

just watched the doc. good stuff! of course would've like to have seen more. 30 more minutes would've done justice to the things they skipped through. The DJ era makes sense from a writing standpoint. Never heard of the Lesson Plan. wonder if any of those tracks will ever see the light of day. Man, if i could go back in time, ONE of the things I'd do (in addition to Janet becoming my FBM) is axe the Nipplegate fiasco. Some one was right, she should've debuted All Nite (with a hella costume change). these "later years" would DEFINITELY not read like a postscript to a great career.