JoeTyler said:

mjscarousal said:

Well ill just say this and end it.

I cant help anyone if they prefer bullshit over real talent just stating the facts not trying to work a miracle. Fact is.. Kate is on some real shit compared to most things that is all ( accept it or not, get mad.. deal).. not tryna to start something that you know damn well you wont finish with me

fine, may I invite you to a cup of coffee??

I dont drink coffee...a chocolate sundae would be great though

mjscarousal said:

JoeTyler said:

fine, may I invite you to a cup of coffee??

I dont drink coffee...a chocolate sundae would be great though

that's a deal!

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

Cloudbuster said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

I like 50 Words as a thematic whole exploring fantastical facets of winter. People like what they like.

Cloudbuster said:

I actually think the much maligned The Red Shoes has far more moments of genuine musical excitement than the last few Tori albums combined.

You're taking the piss if you think The Red Shoes is more inspired than the brilliant Night of Hunters.

MattyJam said:

Cloudbuster said:

I actually think the much maligned The Red Shoes has far more moments of genuine musical excitement than the last few Tori albums combined.

You're taking the piss if you think The Red Shoes is more inspired than the brilliant Night of Hunters.

Speaking of something pretentious...

Nah, it's ok, more interesting than she's been in a long time.

But I'd still take a pair of worn out red shoes over it.

purplethunder3121 said:

I like 50 Words as a thematic whole exploring fantastical facets of winter. People like what they like.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes a lazy-ass, middle-class woman who's made no work of relevance in over two decades.

mjscarousal said:

Wow... I find her to be very underrated especially here in America. Most people wouldnt even know who she is.

I agree! I find her to be very underrated here in The States TOO. It's sad. I think she's a brilliant poetess as well as musician and she writes, arranges and produces ALL her own shit. THAT, in itself, is SUMPIN'. MY opinion, of course.

Nah, she's shit.

Cloudbuster said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

WetDream said:

Cloudbuster said:

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

Absolutely. Can't believe what i read in here. She is one of the greatest Britain has ever produced and i consider her extremely important and one of the greats of all time. Completely underrated. I've heard unbelievable compliments on 50 Words - One even called it the most important record of the decade!

That'll be a Bush nut, take no notice.

Cloudbuster said:

WetDream said:

Absolutely. Can't believe what i read in here. She is one of the greatest Britain has ever produced and i consider her extremely important and one of the greats of all time. Completely underrated. I've heard unbelievable compliments on 50 Words - One even called it the most important record of the decade!

That'll be a Bush nut, take no notice.

WetDream said:

It was actually a critic lol. Of course i don't pay attention in that way, just pointing out the kind of compliments it has received. I'm holding back on hearing it until official release.

Well done, I once had that kind of discipline. But you never know when you might get knifed in the throat or something.

Cloudbuster said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

That's a nice line, and it does have some merit.

Your right about Aerial. I just thought it was quite weak, apart from the odd track, like Pi or Bertie.

Listening to it again, I'm actually starting to like it a bit more. But, only a little bit. Even the weaker songs on The Red Shoes like Lilly and Rubberband Girl are better than anything on "snow". Their's nothing to compare to the brilliance of Song Of Solamon or Moments of Pleasure. That song evokes every season going.

Wild Man, I'm starting to like though

I don't think "underrated" and "not being well-known by the general public" are the same thing at all. The general public doesn't know a shit about a lot of things, but why should that matter too much? Most everyone over 20 that knows something about music knows Kate Bush. I don't think I've ever heard anyone saying a bad word about her and she seems to be a favourite especially among university students - those that have degrees in art, cultural research and so on. In that sense I could see why someone could thing she is "overrated", because she's one of those artists people that are into "alternative culture" are "supposed to like". She also seems to be fairly well-known here in Scandinavia and her recent albums have entered the TOP10 . I think Aerial charted #3 here.

I like the Red Shoes album. Don't see what's not to like about it.

Cloudbuster said:

mjscarousal said:

Wow... I find her to be very underrated especially here in America. Most people wouldnt even know who she is.

Right. Overrated my ass.

A bit off topic but....there was an artist at Marvel Comics in the mid 80s, early 90s who was such a Kate Bush fan that he´d often indirectly mention her in Spiderman and Avengers comics...for instance in a graffiti on a wall in the background or a little "shout out" at the beginning or end of a story.

IMO, she´s not overrated, but I must admit I really lost interest in the past ten or fifteen years. I still like Hounds of Love and the Sensual World, I even like The Red Shoes but I barely listen to them these days, and most of her other albums that I have on vinyl sound too sad, too depressed and too old for me to listen to in this day and age. But I think she´s one of Britain´s best songwriters ever.

And I never liked those Gregorian-like singers in the background, the Trio Bulgarica or whatever they were called.

And I much prefer Kate´s original version of Why Should I Love You over Prince´s version, albeit that has its merits, too.

xLiberiangirl said:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Overrated??????

Underrated!!!

who's that in your avvie ?

maplesyrupnjam said:

Cloudbuster said:

I don't think that's very fair as Aerial was full of "songs".

And while 50 Words For Snow might not be very 'songy' in terms of hooks and instant choruses it works well as a whole, like a Pink Floyd album.

To my ears it's a beautiful wintry companion to the summery exploration of Aerial's second disc.

And while not very immediate its subtle melodies emerge after repeated listening.

I'm madly in love with Misty, one of the highlights of her career.

That's a nice line, and it does have some merit.

Your right about Aerial. I just thought it was quite weak, apart from the odd track, like Pi or Bertie.

Listening to it again, I'm actually starting to like it a bit more. But, only a little bit. Even the weaker songs on The Red Shoes like Lilly and Rubberband Girl are better than anything on "snow". Their's nothing to compare to the brilliance of Song Of Solamon or Moments of Pleasure. That song evokes every season going.

Wild Man, I'm starting to like though

I like most of Aerial very much, How To Be Invisible is my tune. And yeah, Pi is ace.

There's nothing weak about Rubberband Girl.

The Song Of Solomon makes me want to do things to myself.

KoolEaze said:

Cloudbuster said:

Right. Overrated my ass.

A bit off topic but....there was an artist at Marvel Comics in the mid 80s, early 90s who was such a Kate Bush fan that he´d often indirectly mention her in Spiderman and Avengers comics...for instance in a graffiti on a wall in the background or a little "shout out" at the beginning or end of a story.

IMO, she´s not overrated, but I must admit I really lost interest in the past ten or fifteen years. I still like Hounds of Love and the Sensual World, I even like The Red Shoes but I barely listen to them these days, and most of her other albums that I have on vinyl sound too sad, too depressed and too old for me to listen to in this day and age. But I think she´s one of Britain´s best songwriters ever.

And I never liked those Gregorian-like singers in the background, the Trio Bulgarica or whatever they were called.

And I much prefer Kate´s original version of Why Should I Love You over Prince´s version, albeit that has its merits, too.

You've just laid down the grounds for divorce, away with you.

Not really, but if she ever announced she was doing a live show, good luck getting those tickets. I think there was more hype in the beginning, but she was writing stuff light years ahead of girls that age (talking about the demos).

Who the fuck is Kate Bush?

Like any artist whom's career spirals into their third decade of releasing records, Kate Bush is 'changing', which is only logical because she is not the same person she was back in the 70's; she's older, wiser and her music reflects this, partly.

Even though I had a huge problem breaking into Aerial, once I did I started loving that album almost as much as Hounds Of Love or The Kick Inside, albeit for totally different reasons.

I get the 'she can't write a song anymore'-critique. If you mean, catchy song that would fit into the top 40 culture of today, then I am inmensely glad she doesn't. Her entire career is one where she pushes boundaries, esp those of what a 'song' should sound like. Her debut single was something completely different than what was the standard back in the day, so in another way, she is totally doing the expected. (grin)

And it's true what Cloudbuster says; her albums always have been a tour de force on themselves, but Aerial and 50 Words For Snow especially; they are themed, linked and form a whole. And even though some songs stand out outside of that theme more than others, I still love them most when paired together in a group.

On another note; I read a smallish interview with Kate that also mentioned Director's Cut, another album I disliked from the get-go (becuz I consider some of the songs she re-did as whole and complete), that made me want to listen to it again, just to see if I could listen to it with this new intelligence on board. I might actually do it today.

HamsterHuey said:

Like any artist whom's career spirals into their third decade of releasing records, Kate Bush is 'changing', which is only logical because she is not the same person she was back in the 70's; she's older, wiser and her music reflects this, partly.

And I loooove how her voice is changing, like Joni Mitchell's.

HamsterHuey said:

stuff

Having listened to it twice I think the best word to use in describing the disc is meandering. I see what she's doing and it may grow on me, but its going to take some time. I mentioned in a previous thread that I was afraid it would be 7 songs that are long and sometimes tedious and I wasn't wrong. Please just write a 3 minute structured pop song. That would really help in digesting this album.

MattyJam said:

Cloudbuster said:

I actually think the much maligned The Red Shoes has far more moments of genuine musical excitement than the last few Tori albums combined.

You're taking the piss if you think The Red Shoes is more inspired than the brilliant Night of Hunters.

Agreed. I love Kate and I think The Red Shoes has some incredible moments, but "Night of Hunters" is an absolutely amazing record.

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Terrib3Towel said:

Who the fuck is Kate Bush?

If you don't know, maybe you should go and learn about her

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

When I read comments like this about people like Kate or Prince because they don't like what they're doing I get a bit irritated. You don't forget how to write songs. It'd be like fogetting how to ride a bicycle or write a letter. You don't forget these things. After a while it becomes second nature to you. What happens is personal evolution. A desire to push yourself into new territory (who wants to repeat themselves or worse, someone else album after album)... Plus tastes change. Trying to create something new isn't easy. If an artist (truly speaking) doesn't evolve then they won't feel like they've progressed as artists. If a person has changed (grown older for example) and they don't change their art as well, then their art ceases to be representative of them.

lezama said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

She's forgotten how to write songs imho.

I still love her though

When I read comments like this about people like Kate or Prince because they don't like what they're doing I get a bit irritated. You don't forget how to write songs. It'd be like fogetting how to ride a bicycle or write a letter. You don't forget these things. After a while it becomes second nature to you. What happens is personal evolution. A desire to push yourself into new territory (who wants to repeat themselves or worse, someone else album after album)... Plus tastes change. Trying to create something new isn't easy. If an artist (truly speaking) doesn't evolve then they won't feel like they've progressed as artists. If a person has changed (grown older for example) and they don't change their art as well, then their art ceases to be representative of them.