I believe people say "urban" now

I think all of today's poplulair music originates from black music

I don't know about polka , fado , tango , flamenco etc

but even those genres are influenced by black music i think

I think the only true 'white' music is classical music

(but saying that , even Ravel has middle eastern influences in his music)

Maybe only european music upto J.S Bach (until around 1750) can be considered 'white'

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Most of the music originated in Africa so I think that kinda "explains" it. I don't know why. I never really called it that but I can see why people would name it as such.

"Black Music" is basically musical genres that were invented by black folks.

scriptgirl said:

I believe people say "urban" now

Not me! I blame media corporations for starting that "urban music" labelling nonsense.

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VainAndy is gonna shit a brick at that pic

Music performed primarily by black musicians, I presume.

A marketing term.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

Tribal Records

Soul

Funk

Rock

R&B

House

Electro

Disco

Did I leave anything out?

dancerella said:

Soul

Funk

Rock

R&B

House

Electro

Disco

Did I leave anything out?

Reggae

Dancehall

Jazz

Gospel

Techno

Jungle/Drum & Bass

Hip-Hop/Rap

scriptgirl said:

VainAndy is gonna shit a brick at that pic

Of course he is, it was an early birthday gift

Music made by black people.

alphastreet said:

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Lord, you done posted Old Silver Balls' crack ho.

TonyVanDam said:

dancerella said:

Soul

Funk

Rock

R&B

House

Electro

Disco

Did I leave anything out?

Reggae

Dancehall

Jazz

Gospel

Techno

Jungle/Drum & Bass

Hip-Hop/Rap

You are so right. Don't know how I forgot all that. Cheers!

vainandy said:

alphastreet said:

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Lord, you done posted Old Silver Balls' crack ho.

I think I just did, just now

theAudience said:

A marketing term.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

Tribal Records

Could you expound further, please?

alphastreet said:

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Love the song and video!! I love Whitney!!

I love humor

Various styles of music that have been invented, refined and performed primarily by African Americans. It's a vague term and its use isn't correct in many cases, but most people understand what is meant by it.

These types of terms are irksome to many, because the general notions of race get projected on things that were simply produced by people of certain race. Defining forms of music based on the ethnicity of their performers has been quite typical also in Europe ("gypsy music" in particular was very popular in Europe throughout the previous century and its influence can still be heard in many forms of popular music). However, it's probably easier to try to understand these things as something that have had their beginnings in certain communities as opposed to just race. Music has always had the function of bringing people together and the music performed in social gatherings has then developed into forms of commercial music or as forms of art music.

I don't think too many people elsewhere in the world call the indigenous music of Africa "black music". It seems to be more of an American idea based on racial identity. That's not to say some musicians that have utilized influences from African music wouldn't have made great stuff and that those influences wouldn't have fitted the rest of the music very well. I just don't think the gene pool of the musicians really get transmitted in some abstract sense from the music produced by one generation to the music produced by a later generation. It seems to be, however, an idea that still surfaces in these type of discussions every now and then.

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novabrkr said:

Various styles of music that have been invented, refined and performed primarily by African Americans. It's a vague term and its use isn't correct in many cases, but most people understand what is meant by it.

These types of terms are irksome to many, because the general notions of race get projected on things that were simply produced by people of certain race. Defining forms of music based on the ethnicity of their performers has been quite typical also in Europe ("gypsy music" in particular was very popular in Europe throughout the previous century and its influence can still be heard in many forms of popular music). However, it's probably easier to try to understand these things as something that have had their beginnings in certain communities as opposed to just race. Music has always had the function of bringing people together and the music performed in social gatherings has then developed into forms of commercial music or as forms of art music.

I don't think too many people elsewhere in the world call the indigenous music of Africa "black music". It seems to be more of an American idea based on racial identity. That's not to say some musicians that have utilized influences from African music wouldn't have made great stuff and that those influences wouldn't have fitted the rest of the music very well. I just don't think the gene pool of the musicians really get transmitted in some abstract sense from the music produced by one generation to the music produced by a later generation. It seems to be, however, an idea that still surfaces in these type of discussions every now and then.

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You actually said what I wanted to say about the subject.

Dewrede said:

I think all of today's poplulair music originates from black music

I don't know about polka , fado , tango , flamenco etc

but even those genres are influenced by black music i think

I think the only true 'white' music is classical music

(but saying that , even Ravel has middle eastern influences in his music)

Maybe only european music upto J.S Bach (until around 1750) can be considered 'white'

basically yes. though I'd add a couple other local forms of traditional music like "Volksmusik" to that list

Dewrede said:

I think all of today's poplulair music originates from black music

I don't know about polka , fado , tango , flamenco etc

but even those genres are influenced by black music i think

I think the only true 'white' music is classical music

(but saying that , even Ravel has middle eastern influences in his music)

Maybe only european music upto J.S Bach (until around 1750) can be considered 'white'

[Edited 11/15/11 16:51pm]

I have to disagree with you. If you look at popular "black" music of the 20th century gospel/spiritual music is a key part of it. Where did those black artists discover gospel/spiritual music? From their white christian owners during slavery.

What about traditional European folk music? I do not see much of a black influence there. I would argue that white Country and Western music was an influence on the Blues and early R & B and the Blues/early R & B influenced it right back. Rock music? Sure, it started with the Blues but white musicians took it to a different place and put their own spin on it. True, people like Chuck Berry and Little Richard were massively influential but when you fast forward to the '60s white artists started taking rock music to places that black artists never did.

I think it is ridiculous to try to claim that the only true white music is classical. Undeniably black artists made a huge contribution to American popular music of the 20th century but there is a reason that America is known as a melting pot. Black artists influenced and were influenced by white artists, yellow artists, brown artists, red artists and on and on. You just have to compare African music to American music to see the difference. I think it is obvious that white European music and instruments were massively influential on black American musicians.

alphastreet said:

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her yams aren't looking so great there

rialb said:

Dewrede said:

I think all of today's poplulair music originates from black music

I don't know about polka , fado , tango , flamenco etc

but even those genres are influenced by black music i think

I think the only true 'white' music is classical music

(but saying that , even Ravel has middle eastern influences in his music)

Maybe only european music upto J.S Bach (until around 1750) can be considered 'white'

[Edited 11/15/11 16:51pm]

I have to disagree with you. If you look at popular "black" music of the 20th century gospel/spiritual music is a key part of it. Where did those black artists discover gospel/spiritual music? From their white christian owners during slavery.

What about traditional European folk music? I do not see much of a black influence there. I would argue that white Country and Western music was an influence on the Blues and early R & B and the Blues/early R & B influenced it right back. Rock music? Sure, it started with the Blues but white musicians took it to a different place and put their own spin on it. True, people like Chuck Berry and Little Richard were massively influential but when you fast forward to the '60s white artists started taking rock music to places that black artists never did.

I think it is ridiculous to try to claim that the only true white music is classical. Undeniably black artists made a huge contribution to American popular music of the 20th century but there is a reason that America is known as a melting pot. Black artists influenced and were influenced by white artists, yellow artists, brown artists, red artists and on and on. You just have to compare African music to American music to see the difference. I think it is obvious that white European music and instruments were massively influential on black American musicians.

You never said anything that disagrees with what i said apart from saying you don't see any black influence in european folk music

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Dancelot said:

Dewrede said:

I think all of today's poplulair music originates from black music

I don't know about polka , fado , tango , flamenco etc

but even those genres are influenced by black music i think

I think the only true 'white' music is classical music

(but saying that , even Ravel has middle eastern influences in his music)

Maybe only european music upto J.S Bach (until around 1750) can be considered 'white'

basically yes. though I'd add a couple other local forms of traditional music like "Volksmusik" to that list

yes , forgot about those

bobbyperu said:

First of all, I love soul and blues and funk. I was listening to James Brown at 16, even before I discoverd Prince a year later. But I never liked the term "black music". Is that just music played by black people? What about the Revolution then? Does Bob Dylan's All Along the Watchtower become black music when Jimi Hendrix plays it? With Mitch & Noel who were from England? But Dylan was influenced by blues artists just like the Stones and The Beatles. All the way up to Eminem. But if I were to say that "black music" does not exist, I would deny the whole blues/jazz tradition that can be traced back all the way to Africa. So what do you think? Is there such a thing as black music?

The categorization is important:

Humans use words as categories in order to frame, explain and transfer our realities

to others - it's called communication and I have no problem with terms like "black music"

or "Black American art."

Also, because white America has a deep history of incorporating elements of Black American

art (while disparaging our culture on a whole while at it) into it's own conception of what is

to be called "high art" and not properly acknowledging Black American artists, yes, I think

"Black Music" should remain called as such so that musicologists, historians and purveyors

of fine American art remember Black American contribution to the American art convention.

Now, being as it were that all humankind ventures out of Africa and Africa is where rhythm

was conceived, I have no problem with one making the claim that all of music is Black music,

essentially; at least, African music.

Black music is real and is nothing but the result of a musical expression born out of the Black American's cultural experience.

It is important for that Black American musical expression to remember that it is a

specific Black American cultural experience for all of the same reasons that we

celebrate the significance of history.

^

well said

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