I'm going through a period where I'm "studying" Sammy and I love this interview

This was actually the first time I ever heard of Sammy Davis, Jr.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Tommy Davidson or Eddie Griffin need to be in a film about his life.

No offense, but I don't think either would do him justice. I think Don Cheadle did a pretty good job of portraying him in the HBO "The Rat Pack" movie done in '98. I do, however, believe that out of the two that Tommy would do a better job than Eddie Griffin.

I still pick Don to play him in a biopic. He's the only one I can really see doing it.

Timmy84 said:

I still pick Don to play him in a biopic. He's the only one I can really see doing it.

That man was an ENTERTAINER period! Legendary.

I believe there was talk a few years ago, about Eddie doing it. I don't know, what became of it, though.

He was quite an interesting character

BitetheBeat said:

That man was an ENTERTAINER period! Legendary.

He doesn't get enough credit IMO. The man paved the way for so many

bboy87 said:

BitetheBeat said:

That man was an ENTERTAINER period! Legendary.

He doesn't get enough credit IMO. The man paved the way for so many

It's shocking how he's not being recognized especially now.

bboy87 said:

BitetheBeat said:

That man was an ENTERTAINER period! Legendary.

He doesn't get enough credit IMO. The man paved the way for so many

Exactly. Seems all you hear from peeps who are in the industry is how much they idolize Marvin Gaye, Teddy P. or James Brown...you never really hear anyone saying that Sammy Davis, Jr. is their idol.

missfee said:

bboy87 said:

He doesn't get enough credit IMO. The man paved the way for so many

Exactly. Seems all you hear from peeps who are in the industry is how much they idolize Marvin Gaye, Teddy P. or James Brown...you never really hear anyone saying that Sammy Davis, Jr. is their idol.

It's like no one really does their homework on black culture. I find that almost insulting. They namedrop Marvin and Teddy and James as if they "understood" them but they would only mention Marvin and James' social music and Marvin and Teddy's bedroom anthems, never anything further than that. And don't ask them about the Nicholas Brothers, Sammy, Gregory Hines, and people like that, they get the Scooby Doo look when you mention those folks.

^True but MJ gets used alot as well for some kinda standard along with/maybe even more than the names you mentioned James,Marvin and so on. Everyone cheats themselves with that kinda thinking. There is more to the culture than just 5 people or whatever!

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BitetheBeat said:

^True but MJ gets used alot as well for some kinda standard along with/maybe even more than the names you mentioned James,Marvin and so on. Everyone cheats themselves with that kinda thinking. There is more to the culture than just 5 people or whatever!

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That's true. I almost forget to mention they also name drop Michael, Prince and Donny Hathaway also.

Him and those damned cigarettes.

Played this a lot as a kid, still have the record around here.

"recognize me now"

Timmy84 said:

BitetheBeat said:

^True but MJ gets used alot as well for some kinda standard along with/maybe even more than the names you mentioned James,Marvin and so on. Everyone cheats themselves with that kinda thinking. There is more to the culture than just 5 people or whatever!

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That's true. I almost forget to mention they also name drop Michael, Prince and Donny Hathaway also.

Donny Hathaway is not over used! In ways he's not used enough IMO.

BitetheBeat said:

Timmy84 said:

That's true. I almost forget to mention they also name drop Michael, Prince and Donny Hathaway also.

Donny Hathaway is not over used! In ways he's not used enough IMO.

He's used as a reference but people are scared to dig in his catalog but believe me they say his name an AWFUL LOT.

Quite frankly I don't hear his name ALOT! I know many people with those sentiments BUT I don't throw away your views. This could be a new thing but either way its been long overdue. In ways he has been forgotten...kinda like Sammy.

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BitetheBeat said:

Quite frankly I don't hear his name ALOT! I know many people with those sentiments BUT I don't throw away your views. And in ways he has been forgotten...kinda like Sammy.

His music has but his name hasn't lol that's what I meant. I know what you're saying but I always hear people or heard people say his name (especially in the '90s "neo soul movement") but I doubt any of the people besides Badu probably really delve further into what Donny was all about. Stevie gets name dropped like a mother too. But I see those that do only picks certain songs... and they probably don't know Sammy Davis from any so-called song and dance man nowadays.

Okay I'll take you all's word for it...I assume most Neo Soul acts know whats up(shouldn't they) but thats really just a small sector if you think about it! I'm talking across the board and/or mainstream. People who are just constantly thrown around w/o a second thought!

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BitetheBeat said:

Okay I'll take you all's word for it...I assume most Neo Soul acts know whats up(shouldn't they) but thats really just a small sector if you think about it! I'm talking across the board and/or mainstream. People who are just constantly thrown around w/o a second thought!

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American Idol can't stop covering him if that helps.

'Idol' is a serious,musical institution? I don't watch that show(stone me haha) but like I said this semi-resurfacing of Donnie is kinda new(Donnie's been dead for decades). BUT I'm glad for any mention b/c he deserves it! 'Idol' and a whole lot more shine than he's getting SAME FOR SAMMY! I'm thinking of established artists and industry things(respected writers,publications,hall of fames) to put a serious light on them.

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BitetheBeat said:

'Idol' is a serious,musical institution? I don't watch that show(stone me haha) but like I said this semi-resurfacing of Donnie is kinda new(Donnie's been dead for decades). BUT I'm glad b/c he deserves it! 'Idol' and a whole lot more shine than he's getting SAME FOR SAMMY! I'm thinking of established artists and industry things(respected writers,publications,hall of fames) to put a serious light on them.

It's aight lol not all it's cooked up to be but oh well lol

Sammy definitely never gets recognized.

You know I didn't want to say anything until I re-read the British GQ article but what the hell! Basically it seems there is some MOB reason. Sure race does play a part in the fact he isn't/wasn't hailed like Sinatra before & after his death! But there has got to be more than just that. I mean this man was FANTASTIC and a STAR!

morningsong said:

Him and those damned cigarettes.

Played this a lot as a kid, still have the record around here.

"recognize me now"

Better cigarettes than cocaine. I read somewhere that while Sammy was on drugs, Frank Sinatra wouldn't even speak to him unless he kicked it.

Yes and he became a great cook as a replacement for that moment in his life. He like other minorities of that time went through alot...

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missfee said:

morningsong said:

Him and those damned cigarettes.

Played this a lot as a kid, still have the record around here.

"recognize me now"

Better cigarettes than cocaine. I read somewhere that while Sammy was on drugs, Frank Sinatra wouldn't even speak to him unless he kicked it.

Yeah Frank didn't talk to Sammy for about three years. It was Sammy's wife Altavoise (sp?) that convinced the two of them to work out their differences and Frank had Sammy promise him he'll quit coke and sure enough Sammy did.