BlaqueKnight said:

angel345 said:

True, it's how you sample, and to my understanding, sampling is economical and live musicians are costly. That's why producers do this nowadays.

But, all of the producers that are doing it these days are rich.

I am going by what I read. I don't know, but I guess with this method, the rich are richer now . Let me ask. Is it true that music labels are not willing to spend the cost on live musicians in the studio because it cost more than sampling or using synthesizers or other cheap ways to produce music?

angel345 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

But, all of the producers that are doing it these days are rich.

I am going by what I read. I don't know, but I guess with this method, the rich are richer now . Let me ask. Is it true that music labels are not willing to spend the cost on live musicians in the studio because it cost more than sampling or using synthesizers or other cheap ways to produce music?

Nope. that's what they tell R&B and hip-hop signees. A lot of them make R&B artists conform to hip-hop budget standards since they market to basically the same market now.

If they told rock or country artists that they couldn't sign musicians, they would wreck the genres. Nobody would go for it.

Nope, it only works on "urban" artists.

Fucked up, huh?

There are "key members" clauses in most contracts that say if you are in a band, the principle members (say, they lead singer and the guitarist or lead singer bassist or keyboard player - whoever writes most of the music) are bound by the contract and everyone else is "for hire". Its a corporate dick move. Corporations pride themselves on breaking up groups. (Divided they fall, ya know) This is a non-issue for rap acts, who are solo most of the time anyway. It is designed to mess up bands - and it works.

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BlaqueKnight said:

angel345 said:

I am going by what I read. I don't know, but I guess with this method, the rich are richer now . Let me ask. Is it true that music labels are not willing to spend the cost on live musicians in the studio because it cost more than sampling or using synthesizers or other cheap ways to produce music?

Nope. that's what they tell R&B and hip-hop signees. A lot of them make R&B artists conform to hip-hop budget standards since they market to basically the same market now.

If they told rock or country artists that they couldn't sign musicians, they would wreck the genres. Nobody would go for it.

Nope, it only works on "urban" artists.

Fucked up, huh?

There are "key members" clauses in most contracts that say if you are in a band, the principle members (say, they lead singer and the guitarist or lead singer bassist or keyboard player - whoever writes most of the music) are bound by the contract and everyone else is "for hire". Its a corporate dick move. Corporations pride themselves on breaking up groups. (Divided they fall, ya know) This is a non-issue for rap acts, who are solo most of the time anyway. It is designed to mess up bands - and it works.

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It is messed up, but they say there's no business like show business. I remembered one day when I was watching the "Notorious" movie, Puffy's character wanted Biggie to record some rap lyrics to "Juicy" by Mtume. He didn't like the idea of sampling because he wanted new and fresh material. Eventually, as we all know, he recorded it. Has any R&B or rap artist voiced their concerns about doing quality or fresh music that you know of? Or had an issue with their record deal? Thanks for your info.

minneapolisFunq said:

Swizz is wack as fuck, minus a few joints here and there.

Dilla is so overrated as well. Championing his shit is an often used tactic to gain credibility within hiphop circles on the internet.

yeah ive seen people give big props to j dilla but i didnt know his work, from the stuff that was posted here im not that impressed, did he really produce got till its gone or did he do a remix?

lowkey said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Swizz is wack as fuck, minus a few joints here and there.

Dilla is so overrated as well. Championing his shit is an often used tactic to gain credibility within hiphop circles on the internet.

yeah ive seen people give big props to j dilla but i didnt know his work, from the stuff that was posted here im not that impressed, did he really produce got till its gone or did he do a remix?

J.Dilla aka Jay Dee was underrated imo. He's done some great stuff with Tribe Called

Quest, Q Tip, Slum Village, Common, and others.

lowkey said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Swizz is wack as fuck, minus a few joints here and there.

Dilla is so overrated as well. Championing his shit is an often used tactic to gain credibility within hiphop circles on the internet.

yeah ive seen people give big props to j dilla but i didnt know his work, from the stuff that was posted here im not that impressed, did he really produce got till its gone or did he do a remix?

Yes, he did both. He didn't get credit for the original though, that's why he made a "Jay Dee's Revenge" version of it....

Who do you listen too, i'm really curious about this very much so.....