Midnight, the heroin story is true. On June 26th Latoya sent Jeffrey, her manager/boyfriend, tell the police Michael had heroin at home and was riddled with marks from injections of heroin. It turned out, the supposed heroin was a light version of marijuana, usually used to combat insomnia.
[Edited 11/9/11 13:07pm]
Proof?
As if proof and facts affected the floons' opinions but I'll answer anyway. It came in the police report somewhere in the beginning of 2010.
To be honest I'm over any kind of feeling about La Toya. It is what it is. Fuck it.
In fairness, I miss the LaToya that was inside the Celebrity Big Brother (UK) house a few years ago. THAT is the real LaToya Jackson I want back because I'm not feeling the one that has been all in the spotlight in 2011.
As for the things she said about him molesting children in the past, I think she now regrets exposing those things out of anger but as far as having the little boys goes, I believe it. I have no hate for Michael Jackson. He was a great artist with great music who supported great causes, believed in spreading love, and truly wanted to see the world change for the better. However, he was still a grown man, even though he had the mind of a child, and grown men are going to sleep with either someone or some thing. Grown men are going to have an orgasm some kind of way. Hell, even priests are being exposed after all these years. Men have to have orgasms and I never saw Michael with anything other than kids and the few times you saw him with a woman, you knew good and damn well they were just friends and not fucking. Hell, even in his marriages.
lol generalizations
vainandy said:
As for the things she said about him molesting children in the past, I think she now regrets exposing those things out of anger but as far as having the little boys goes, I believe it. I have no hate for Michael Jackson. He was a great artist with great music who supported great causes, believed in spreading love, and truly wanted to see the world change for the better. However, he was still a grown man, even though he had the mind of a child, and grown men are going to sleep with either someone or some thing. Grown men are going to have an orgasm some kind of way. Hell, even priests are being exposed after all these years. Men have to have orgasms and I never saw Michael with anything other than kids and the few times you saw him with a woman, you knew good and damn well they were just friends and not fucking. Hell, even in his marriages.
I don't blame him though. I blame that sorry ass father of his for being so abusive to him. Too much importance was put on that sorry man by the family and I think he's the reason Michael never really fully grew up and still had the mind of a child. He thought he was a kid himself and if he had those boys, in his mind, he may have felt like he was just "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" like so many little boys do when they're alone. Then I blame that goofy ass religion the family was a part of. I have never seen a religion so strict as that one that frowns on anything fun and thinks that they're the only ones that will ever make it to Heaven and everyone else is condemned, especially a homosexual which I believe he was. Most people are part of a religion but Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be obsessed with their religion and think about it 24/7. And thirdly, I blame society's hatred of homosexuals thoughout the years. Gay people are the most hated people on the planet, hated by all races, social classes, and age groups. A major star like Michael would be scared as hell to come out. Only in recent years, have stars felt comfortable about coming out and Michael has been a star for a long time. There's no way he could sleep with a grown man without them eventually exposing him later or blackmailing him to keep quiet. A child would be too innocent and wouldn't understand or know how to do that so I think a combination of those things may be why he went after them if he actually did have them.
w[Edited 11/9/11 4:14am]
Wow. What fascinates me is that people are so freaking afraid to admit that they don't know for sure, so they have to make up a story on things instead of leaving it uncertain. And you seem to believe your own judgements 100%. I don't see the difference between your post and some other fan's post, saying "Michael was an angel, he was god, was the sweetest most kind human being on earth".
Mj gets polarized often, if he's not a saint, he must be a molester. There's nothing in between to discuss or you are a crazy fanatic. That's the type of bs fans have to deal with from both fans and haters.
To be honest I'm over any kind of feeling about La Toya. It is what it is. Fuck it.
In fairness, I miss the LaToya that was instide the Celebrity Big Brother (UK) house a few years ago. THAT is the real LaToya Jackson I want back because I'm not feeling the one that has been all in the spotlight in 2011.
Funny how death can change someone's MO especially if it's someone famous.
But THIS is why LaToya deserves to be forgiven for her sins:
People seem to forget that LaToya was a victim of a abusive husband who was also responsible for inventing those outragous lies about Michael.
i saw that interview and it's the same self-serving crap that she's always spewing about. instead of joseph being the tyrant, it's jack who i believe was conveniently dead at the time of this interview.
i saw the pix of her bruises. i believe there was violence in their relationship. jack was a scumbag. but do i believe he forced her to say those things about mj? no. two different things.
she took up with a scumbag b/c that sort was the only "manager" who would ever be interested in her. a legit man like john mcclain, who's now one of mj's executors, saw something in janet that could be developed. rebbie got at least one minor hit out of her association with her brother.
latoya had nothing. she is talentless with a capital T. no legit manager would ever be interested in her except jack.
latoya thought he was going to be her useful idiot, but like most people who call themselves trying to use people, she wound up being used. i'm sorry that she got her ass kicked, but there were lots of rumors around that jack had been a pimp back in the day. he eventually did what pimps do. as someone else noted, religious organizations - all of them - always preach about "worldliness" and warn their people not to be led astray. so her b.s. about being naive and innocent doesn't wash with me, not when jack was so blatantly scummy.
But THIS is why LaToya deserves to be forgiven for her sins:
People seem to forget that LaToya was a victim of a abusive husband who was also responsible for inventing those outragous lies about Michael.
i saw that interview and it's the same self-serving crap that she's always spewing about. instead of joseph being the tyrant, it's jack who i believe was conveniently dead at the time of this interview.
i saw the pix of her bruises. i believe there was violence in their relationship. jack was a scumbag. but do i believe he forced her to say those things about mj? no. two different things.
she took up with a scumbag b/c that sort was the only "manager" who would ever be interested in her. a legit man like john mcclain, who's now one of mj's executors, saw something in janet that could be developed. rebbie got at least one minor hit out of her association with her brother.
latoya had nothing. she is talentless with a capital T. no legit manager would ever be interested in her except jack.
latoya thought he was going to be her useful idiot, but like most people who call themselves trying to use people, she wound up being used. i'm sorry that she got her ass kicked, but there were lots of rumors around that jack had been a pimp back in the day. he eventually did what pimps do. as someone else noted, religious organizations - all of them - always preach about "worldliness" and warn their people not to be led astray. so her b.s. about being naive and innocent doesn't wash with me, not when jack was so blatantly scummy.
LaToya turned against her brother when he needed her the most.She forgot how much he helped her when her career was struggling in the 80s.He wrote and produced a hit song for her ("Nighttime Lover"),featured her on his massive hit single "P.Y.T" and even gave her roles in a few of his videos ("Say,Say,Say" and "The Way You Make Me Feel").He did alot to get her some much-needed exposure.I guess 'family loyalty' meant nothing to her
Since Jack was controlling and posessive and not even letting her out of the house to go shopping and things like that, it would not surprise me if he was being manipulative when managing her and saying things to her about how he will help her rise and that michael didn't do shit for her. Even if she didn't agree with it, I'm sure she internalized it too and was manipulated. I'm not saying all this to defend her, I'm saying I could see this type of thing happening in an abusive relationship done in an effort to isolate the victim from loved ones.
But THIS is why LaToya deserves to be forgiven for her sins:
People seem to forget that LaToya was a victim of a abusive husband who was also responsible for inventing those outragous lies about Michael.
i saw that interview and it's the same self-serving crap that she's always spewing about. instead of joseph being the tyrant, it's jack who i believe was conveniently dead at the time of this interview.
i saw the pix of her bruises. i believe there was violence in their relationship. jack was a scumbag. but do i believe he forced her to say those things about mj? no. two different things.
1. As long as Jack Goldman was alive, LaToya still had to yield to the gag order as part of their out-of-court divorce settlement, hence why she couldn't tell her real story until Jack's death.
2. Two different things? Bullshit! How do you think all pimps control the women in their stable? They hit them. And that is exactly how a scumbag liked Jack controlled LaToya.
I agree Tony, it's a very sad story. She just didn't have a strong enough voice or the right producers to be consistent enough to last, but he didn't tell her the truth, he just had her believe he will do what the family didn't do for her. It's interesting how she believed for years Katherine wanted to kill her even after leaving, I think that supports what I'm saying about what he was telling her. We don't know if it's fact or fiction, but it's very common in abuse cases.
i saw that interview and it's the same self-serving crap that she's always spewing about. instead of joseph being the tyrant, it's jack who i believe was conveniently dead at the time of this interview.
i saw the pix of her bruises. i believe there was violence in their relationship. jack was a scumbag. but do i believe he forced her to say those things about mj? no. two different things.
she took up with a scumbag b/c that sort was the only "manager" who would ever be interested in her. a legit man like john mcclain, who's now one of mj's executors, saw something in janet that could be developed. rebbie got at least one minor hit out of her association with her brother.
latoya had nothing. she is talentless with a capital T. no legit manager would ever be interested in her except jack.
latoya thought he was going to be her useful idiot, but like most people who call themselves trying to use people, she wound up being used. i'm sorry that she got her ass kicked, but there were lots of rumors around that jack had been a pimp back in the day. he eventually did what pimps do. as someone else noted, religious organizations - all of them - always preach about "worldliness" and warn their people not to be led astray. so her b.s. about being naive and innocent doesn't wash with me, not when jack was so blatantly scummy.
He was a prosperity preacher? I didn't know that.
no, not jack. i'm referring to latoya. she was raised as a jehovah's witness. she knew about 'the world' and how women get turned out. they are always preaching about staying away from the ways of the world. so she wasn't naive, esp. as i said, she was nearly 40 years old when all this went down. FORTY. you only get to play the ingenue when you are one.
i saw that interview and it's the same self-serving crap that she's always spewing about. instead of joseph being the tyrant, it's jack who i believe was conveniently dead at the time of this interview.
i saw the pix of her bruises. i believe there was violence in their relationship. jack was a scumbag. but do i believe he forced her to say those things about mj? no. two different things.
1. As long as Jack Goldman was alive, LaToya still had to yield to the gag order as part of their out-of-court divorce settlement, hence why she couldn't tell her real story until Jack's death.
2. Two different things? Bullshit! How do you think all pimps control the women in their stable? They hit them. And that is exactly how a scumbag liked Jack controlled LaToya.
i don't believe he started out hitting her. he didn't have to. she was a willing participant. she was going to get her fame, and she was going to play the cards she had in order to do that i.e., drag her family through the mud for attention.
i don't believe for one single second that for the majority of their time together that she was with him against her will. only when the money started drying up b/c the stunts had run their course, when she had been made a laughing stock and was reduced to being the opening act at a strip club, that's when things started to change, that's when the abuse began, and that jack resorted to type because he was what he was.
LaToya turned against her brother when he needed her the most.She forgot how much he helped her when her career was struggling in the 80s.He wrote and produced a hit song for her ("Nighttime Lover"),featured her on his massive hit single "P.Y.T" and even gave her roles in a few of his videos ("Say,Say,Say" and "The Way You Make Me Feel").He did alot to get her some much-needed exposure.I guess 'family loyalty' meant nothing to her
no it didn't. i am sooooo perplexed as to why this woman is getting such a sympathetic pass. as the thread starter said, she's a HYPOCRITE and a liar and a user and an attention whore. i can't feel sorry for someone who was sitting the lap of luxury most of her sorry life, who didn't appreciate it, and who sold out the one person whose talent was really responsible for pulling all these mofos out of bum-fuck gary, indiana.
^ Well damn kibbles. "Bum-fuck Gary, Indiana". That's cold.
in the interest of full disclosure, i come from a small town not that far from gary so i know whereof i speak!! i would describe my hometown in similar terms!
^ Well damn kibbles. "Bum-fuck Gary, Indiana". That's cold.
in the interest of full disclosure, i come from a small town not that far from gary so i know whereof i speak!! i would describe my hometown in similar terms!
^ Another reason I laugh is because I pretty much said the same thing about eight years ago when I was angry about Janet - about something I forgot what it was, turned out I was inaccurate in my criticism. But I think I said "dirty Gary".
^ Another reason I laugh is because I pretty much said the same thing about eight years ago when I was angry about Janet - about something I forgot what it was, turned out I was inaccurate in my criticism. But I think I said "dirty Gary".
For all the talk about Gary IN, I know the kids can walk from school to the candy store anywhere for that matter without being killed. Can't say the same for the city I live in 35/40 miles away. All that's glitter isn't gold.
^ Another reason I laugh is because I pretty much said the same thing about eight years ago when I was angry about Janet - about something I forgot what it was, turned out I was inaccurate in my criticism. But I think I said "dirty Gary".
For all the talk about Gary IN, I know the kids can walk from school to the candy store anywhere for that matter without being killed. Can't say the same for the city I live in 35/40 miles away. All that's glitter isn't gold.
1. As long as Jack Goldman was alive, LaToya still had to yield to the gag order as part of their out-of-court divorce settlement, hence why she couldn't tell her real story until Jack's death.
2. Two different things? Bullshit! How do you think all pimps control the women in their stable? They hit them. And that is exactly how a scumbag liked Jack controlled LaToya.
i don't believe he started out hitting her. he didn't have to. she was a willing participant. she was going to get her fame, and she was going to play the cards she had in order to do that i.e., drag her family through the mud for attention.
i don't believe for one single second that for the majority of their time together that she was with him against her will. only when the money started drying up b/c the stunts had run their course, when she had been made a laughing stock and was reduced to being the opening act at a strip club, that's when things started to change, that's when the abuse began, and that jack resorted to type because he was what he was.
A lot of abusive relationships start with verbal and emotional abuse, as well and controlling and posessive behaviour before it escalates to physical abuse. They both got together with one another for the wrong reasons and it was a recipe for disaster. She didn't even love him and had to marry him. The PHYSICAL abuse was made known around the strip club incident, but abuse takes on many forms and it had been going on for years emotionally and mentally.
i don't believe he started out hitting her. he didn't have to. she was a willing participant. she was going to get her fame, and she was going to play the cards she had in order to do that i.e., drag her family through the mud for attention.
i don't believe for one single second that for the majority of their time together that she was with him against her will. only when the money started drying up b/c the stunts had run their course, when she had been made a laughing stock and was reduced to being the opening act at a strip club, that's when things started to change, that's when the abuse began, and that jack resorted to type because he was what he was.
A lot of abusive relationships start with verbal and emotional abuse, as well and controlling and posessive behaviour before it escalates to physical abuse. They both got together with one another for the wrong reasons and it was a recipe for disaster. She didn't even love him and had to marry him. The PHYSICAL abuse was made known around the strip club incident, but abuse takes on many forms and it had been going on for years emotionally and mentally.
to repeat:
i don't believe for one single second that for the majority of their time together that she was with him against her will. only when the money started drying up b/c the stunts had run their course, when she had been made a laughing stock and was reduced to being the opening act at a strip club, that's when things started to change, that's when the abuse began, and that jack resorted to type because he was what he was.
For all the talk about Gary IN, I know the kids can walk from school to the candy store anywhere for that matter without being killed. Can't say the same for the city I live in 35/40 miles away. All that's glitter isn't gold.
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