The American Music Awards & Billboard Music Awards are based on sales so...

RnBAmbassador said:

Some of you hate on all Award type ceremonies. I have never understood the hatred for the Grammy winners. The nominations, the nominee list and the votes are by the industry - for your own, of your own. Many artists, wruters, producers, engineers that meet the qualifications of being in, don't sign up or allow their NARAS membership to lapse. Perhaps before hating on something one should have investgated the process.

As for the R&RHOF, well, it speaks for itself. Some get in, some don't, oh well. Rather than bitching about it - write letters to the Board of Directors, be pro-active.

Selection when not obvious, can be very subjective. Hate on the American Music Awards, now that is the real crap!

If I remember correctly the Grammy's were created because some artist wanted to reconize "good music". It's my understanding Rock & Roll, Elvis, The Beatles and other musicians weren't defined as good music. This isn't hatred against Grammy winners I don't recall anyone saying any such thing. I however have utter contempt for an award shows in general, its all created and contrive to push forward a very conservative point of view.... basically who has a major record contract, who's in who's not, who's hot who's not, who's liked and who isn't. The list of artist who've never recieved a Gramophone Award is rather long such a the list posted of those who may are may not get into the Hall. Like Neal and Timmy I'm a big fan of Todd's but I don't think a career should be based on a trophy nor plaque. The artist music speaks for itself. (IMO)

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musicjunky318 said:

The American Music Awards & Billboard Music Awards are based on sales so...

and bullshit as well as popularity so yea

aw goddammit, the Doobie Brothers?

They should be takin it to the streets & runnin down the highway to dole out some Jesus justice and plant the bodies in the China grove

TD3 said:

I however have utter contempt for an award shows in general, its all created and contrive to push forward a very conservative point of view.... basically who has a major record contract, who's in who's not, who's hot who's not, who's liked and who isn't. The list of artist who've never recieved a Gramophone Award is rather long such a the list posted of those who may ar may not get into the Hall. Like Neal and Timmy I'm a big fan of Todd's but I don't think a career should be based on a trophy nor plaque. The artist music speaks for itself. (IMO)

Agreed.

Can't remember the last time I sat through a Grammy Awards show.

Or paid attention to any music awards show for that matter. The occasional YouTube clip at most.

What's even more sad though, and i'm focusing on the Grammy Technical Awards (where a lot of the hard work gets done), receiving an award (or even multiple awards) doesn't correlate to future earnings. It would seem that if your own peers decide you've done superior work, it would translate into more employment down the road. Believe me when I tell you that this is not always the case.



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Timmy84 said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

wow whitney or janet wasn't inducted either

Whitney ain't gonna get inducted. Janet might in five years.

Whitney will get in. She just doesn't have anything to promote in order for her (or shall I say Clive Davis) to build momentum for.

musicjunky318 said:

The American Music Awards & Billboard Music Awards are based on sales so...

The American Music awards are no longer based on sales. They are voted on by the public now. They started that a year or so ago.

theAudience said:

TD3 said:

I however have utter contempt for an award shows in general, its all created and contrive to push forward a very conservative point of view.... basically who has a major record contract, who's in who's not, who's hot who's not, who's liked and who isn't. The list of artist who've never recieved a Gramophone Award is rather long such a the list posted of those who may ar may not get into the Hall. Like Neal and Timmy I'm a big fan of Todd's but I don't think a career should be based on a trophy nor plaque. The artist music speaks for itself. (IMO)

Agreed.

Can't remember the last time I sat through a Grammy Awards show.

Or paid attention to any music awards show for that matter. The occasional YouTube clip at most.

What's even more sad though, and i'm focusing on the Grammy Technical Awards (where a lot of the hard work gets done), receiving an award (or even multiple awards) doesn't correlate to future earnings. It would seem that if your own peers decide you've done superior work, it would translate into more employment down the road. Believe me when I tell you that this is not always the case.



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I agree as well. I think this very thing is why pop music is so bad. Singers/rappers based the quality of their music as well as their capabilities off of awards and plaques when it really means nothing at the end of the day.

All it symbolizes is popularity it doesnt mean you were the best in that area or your music is even good. I think people are slowly getting away from awards though and its been this way for some years now...

daPrettyman said:

musicjunky318 said:

The American Music Awards & Billboard Music Awards are based on sales so...

The American Music awards are no longer based on sales. They are voted on by the public now. They started that a year or so ago.

What public? Crap polls on their website?

musicjunky318 said:

daPrettyman said:

The American Music awards are no longer based on sales. They are voted on by the public now. They started that a year or so ago.

What public? Crap polls on their website?

Yep. It's sad to say, but yes. That's why Justin Beiber and Clay Aiken have AMAs at home.

daPrettyman said:

musicjunky318 said:

What public? Crap polls on their website?

Yep. It's sad to say, but yes. That's why Justin Beiber and Clay Aiken have AMAs at home.

They probably rig it.

musicjunky318 said:

daPrettyman said:

Yep. It's sad to say, but yes. That's why Justin Beiber and Clay Aiken have AMAs at home.

They probably rig it.

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

Whitney ain't gonna get inducted. Janet might in five years.

Why not Whitney? And why does Janet have to wait when Madonna got in on her 1st year of eligilbility?

the ole boys club behind roling stone magazine is also behind the hall, they dont like janet much and i doubt they would even consider whitney. are there any solo black female artists in the hall besides aretha franklin?

Barry White

Aren't Billie Holiday and Bessie Smith in the Hall?

scriptgirl said:

Aren't Billie Holiday and Bessie Smith in the Hall?

Yeah, least I know Billie is. I think Bessie's in but I gotta check.

Ma Rainey is in there

Laura Nyro?

I think their problems started when they named the damn place.
Whatever comes to mind when you think of the phrase "Rock and Roll", how many acts that have been inducted are actually related to that term?



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HAPPYPERSON said:

Artist	Years Snubbed	# of Years Nominated
	5	1
	6	0
	11	0
	12	0
	3	3
	13	0
	7	0
	2	1
	8	0
	17	0
	16	0
	7	0
	19	1
	8	0
	8	6
	16	0
	27	0
	7	1
	6	0
	17	0
	6	0
Depeche Mode	4	0
Devo	7	0
	23	0
	7	0
	11	4
	20	2
The Doobie Brothers	14	0
	4	0
	14	0
	15	0
Eurythmics	4	0
	8	0
	25	0
	3	0
	17	0
	29	0
	10	0
	7	0
	11	0
	7	0
	16	0
	11	1
Kraftwerk	14	1
	16	0
	25	0
LL Cool J	1	2
	19	0
	24	0
	24	2
	19	1
	0	0
	19	0
	21	0
	4	0
	8	0
	0	0
	4	0
	12	1
	16	0
Peter Gabriel	8	0

James Brown and the Famous Flames

The Miracles with Smokey Robinson

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I would consider these folks 4 inclusion.

I'm actually pissed that the Famous Flames hadn't got in. Before James Brown became James Brown, he was the lead singer of the Famous Flames. Definite injustice especially considering Bobby Byrd, who played a big integral role in James' post-Famous Flames career until 1973.

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually pissed that the Famous Flames hadn't got in. Before James Brown became James Brown, he was the lead singer of the Famous Flames. Definite injustice especially considering Bobby Byrd, who played a big integral role in James' post-Famous Flames career until 1973.

All of JB's sidemen should be in, Maceo and Fred are in as P-Funk members, right? smh.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually pissed that the Famous Flames hadn't got in. Before James Brown became James Brown, he was the lead singer of the Famous Flames. Definite injustice especially considering Bobby Byrd, who played a big integral role in James' post-Famous Flames career until 1973.

All of JB's sidemen should be in, Maceo and Fred are in as P-Funk members, right? smh.

Nevermind, I checked, they're not lol

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Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

All of JB's sidemen should be in, Maceo and Fred are in as P-Funk members, right? smh.

Nevermind, I checked, they're not lol

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What, them mofo's need to be in along with The Flames (Byrd, Baby Lloyd, Bobby Bennet) St. Claire, Pee Wee, Clyde, Jabo, Melvin, Bernard, Nt Jones and Jimmy Nolen.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Nevermind, I checked, they're not lol

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What, them mofo's need to be in along with The Flames (Byrd, Baby Lloyd, Bobby Bennet) St. Claire, Pee Wee, Clyde, Jabo, Melvin, Bernard, Nt Jones and Jimmy Nolen.

Or at least as sidemen.

Timmy84 said:

That's why I just can't trust the way the committee conducts their business... I mean if you're gonna induct the original quintet, induct them all especially if "Shake Your Body" and "Can You Feel It" is added to their list of essential songs released by them, don't make no sense. I mean if they were "technically the same group" and all. The way the committee does it is suspicious.

Well i have an ongoing issue with the hall and its stemming from how it treats bands that continued into the 80s and on, a band like QUEEN almost got dropped from the ballot and to me should have been in first try. HEART finally got on the ballot, long overdue, Hall and Oates should have been on a century ago for god sakes, and CHICAGO should have had a show just for themselves for their 70's and 80's work alone. Duran Duran should get a shot, BonJovi though people may hate them, sorry but they should be long before GnRoses got a shot, sorry but that is true since Guns was mainly a band that was created as a loud revolt to the "hair band era" though Guns turned into a ballad band themselves, go figure. That said there are not just SNUBS there are people that shouldnt have been thought about, like Del Shannon and Percy Sledge, i mean if they get in why not Toni Basil for "Mickey", the fame is totally flawed and very biased for some agnd against others. Eric Clapton was inducted everytime he picked up his guitar, dont get me wrong i like Eric, but he should not be in more than anything but himself, his side groups are not worthy.

kenkamken said:

Rock 'n Roll is as much an attitude as a genre, I'm sure badass is one of the criteria. If you induct Whitney, then why not Streisand? I don't consider either Rock 'n Roll really. Now if Whitney had been making defiant music reflecting her life during her crack spurred descent into hell, she might have qualified. I'm not saying you have to be a drug addict to have cred, but at least have conviction in your music. The Baseball Hall of Fame doesn't induct everyone who ever hit a ball with a stick, neither should RRHOF be expected to induct everyone who went near a microphone.

That's why I'm not so convinced Whitney will get in. Janet had more of a rock attitude onstage than Whitney lmao

Timmy84 said:

kenkamken said:

Rock 'n Roll is as much an attitude as a genre, I'm sure badass is one of the criteria. If you induct Whitney, then why not Streisand? I don't consider either Rock 'n Roll really. Now if Whitney had been making defiant music reflecting her life during her crack spurred descent into hell, she might have qualified. I'm not saying you have to be a drug addict to have cred, but at least have conviction in your music. The Baseball Hall of Fame doesn't induct everyone who ever hit a ball with a stick, neither should RRHOF be expected to induct everyone who went near a microphone.

That's why I'm not so convinced Whitney will get in. Janet had more of a rock attitude onstage than Whitney lmao

Well thats the whole thing, i mean why not Manilow? he def had the numbers, 25 straight top 40 hits? and sure rock is attitude but plenty have attitude that arent in, and alot were Rock Stars and never will get in or mentioned, examples, INXS (michael hutchence the last rock star ever) and Rick Springfield was a hitmaker since 1972 first as folk then as rock icon.