Timmy84 said:

^ That's why it's not possible for them to make that bold announcement that it will end. I mean usually when someone says something is reaching its end "soon", it's usually from what they hear from the grapevine. I think how CDs can be still good for someone's back catalog. Labels would lose money if they do this in 2012, or as Joe Tyler said eloquently enough, 8-12 years. I know it might end one day but I don't think it'll be 2012. 2032 would be a better year. By then I'll own a million CDs, about 500,000 of them would be purchased.

i think they mean more of it from a manufacturing standpoint, i mean to be honest the amount of actual releases now compared to say 15 years ago, is about 60% less a year in terms of new albums, most stuff coming out now is re-packaged hits to get some revenue to labels, so i dont doubt them not printing the new Rihanna cd because her audience is from the digital download age, or illegal age also. The more obscure ones are going to actually benefit because they can do seperate deals with things like Amazon or whomever, Rick Springfield and Richard Marx did albums only through Amazon with the actual cds only being there first and foremost, Ricks finally made it into some Best Buy stores, but Richard's stayed at Amazon, by doing this i think you can pretty much abolish the charts, as they will have no merit whatsoever since the consumer of digital is "faceless"

Fine with me. Ain't shit out there worth buying these days anyway.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

^ That's why it's not possible for them to make that bold announcement that it will end. I mean usually when someone says something is reaching its end "soon", it's usually from what they hear from the grapevine. I think how CDs can be still good for someone's back catalog. Labels would lose money if they do this in 2012, or as Joe Tyler said eloquently enough, 8-12 years. I know it might end one day but I don't think it'll be 2012. 2032 would be a better year. By then I'll own a million CDs, about 500,000 of them would be purchased.

i think they mean more of it from a manufacturing standpoint, i mean to be honest the amount of actual releases now compared to say 15 years ago, is about 60% less a year in terms of new albums, most stuff coming out now is re-packaged hits to get some revenue to labels, so i dont doubt them not printing the new Rihanna cd because her audience is from the digital download age, or illegal age also. The more obscure ones are going to actually benefit because they can do seperate deals with things like Amazon or whomever, Rick Springfield and Richard Marx did albums only through Amazon with the actual cds only being there first and foremost, Ricks finally made it into some Best Buy stores, but Richard's stayed at Amazon, by doing this i think you can pretty much abolish the charts, as they will have no merit whatsoever since the consumer of digital is "faceless"

True but when someone like Adele can still sell 10, 11 million copies worldwide of a record, you can't just end it. Like I said, it will end one day and it might be in the process to end but it's all speculation. Like I said, it may continue for another 30 years until it's finally put out to pasture. I understand though, because no one manufactures cassettes for artists but they need the CD more than tapes so that's why it won't end yet.

Vinyl is also very popular again. I heard that our record stores (big ones) want to sell vinyl as well now.

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

I don't know what can I add to the very suggesting posts of the majority of you.

Just one thing I said in another thread with the same topic. It doesn't matter which changes take place, there'll always be a place for people who prefer a richer musical experience, and that implies physical copies, in CD or vinyl.

Physical music can disappear, but I won't be here to watch it. That's for sure.

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Javi said:

I don't know what can I add to the very suggesting posts of the majority of you.

Just one thing I said in another thread with the same topic. It doesn't matter which changes take place, there'll always be a place for people who prefer a richer musical experience, and that implies physical copies, in CD or vinyl.

Phisycal music can disappear, but I won't be here to watch it. That's for sure.

Like I said it won't end anytime soon and already that article has been disputed. I know that old saying "don't believe anything you read or hear" and I'm not believing this so far.

Oh, and regarding printed music magazines, they're alive and well. I buy a Spanish, a British and a German magazine each month, and they don't seem to be in the throes of death.

Also, with online magazines like the one who has given this "news" (and many, many online magazines are like this), be sure that the printed ones have a long life ahead.

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Javi said:

Oh, and regarding printed music magazines, they're alive and well. I buy a Spanish, a British and a German magazine each month, and they don't seem to be in the throes of death.

Also, with online magazines like the one who has given this "news" (and many, many online magazines are like this), be sure that the printed ones have a long life ahead.

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My point exactly. What's that saying? "Don't trust anything posted on the Internet." This is definitely one of them...

Timmy84 said:

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

There is truth in it. But it will take a while longer.

More interesting question is why music companies haven't had the vision nor the capability to succesfully set up their own online Itunes and Amazon stores.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

So I've heard.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

Is this a regional thing? I live in Michigan and I can't think of a single person that I know personally who still owns a turntable. I have a truckload of vinyl records that I had planned on donating to a local record shop just to get them out of my way. Now, I'm scared, thinking vinyl may eventually make a huge comeback here in Michigan.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

i think they mean more of it from a manufacturing standpoint, i mean to be honest the amount of actual releases now compared to say 15 years ago, is about 60% less a year in terms of new albums, most stuff coming out now is re-packaged hits to get some revenue to labels, so i dont doubt them not printing the new Rihanna cd because her audience is from the digital download age, or illegal age also. The more obscure ones are going to actually benefit because they can do seperate deals with things like Amazon or whomever, Rick Springfield and Richard Marx did albums only through Amazon with the actual cds only being there first and foremost, Ricks finally made it into some Best Buy stores, but Richard's stayed at Amazon, by doing this i think you can pretty much abolish the charts, as they will have no merit whatsoever since the consumer of digital is "faceless"

True but when someone like Adele can still sell 10, 11 million copies worldwide of a record, you can't just end it. Like I said, it will end one day and it might be in the process to end but it's all speculation. Like I said, it may continue for another 30 years until it's finally put out to pasture. I understand though, because no one manufactures cassettes for artists but they need the CD more than tapes so that's why it won't end yet.

i agree but i differ with the fact that ADELE is far different than rihanna, rihanna is more like Katy Perry, she will struggle to get a platnum record here and yet have all top 10 singles, where as ADELE is more like a Norah Jones type that broke through with COME AWAY WITH ME where that sold a zillion copies worldwide, true that was 2002 and this 2011, but the are still appealing to an older crowd that buys cd's still, rihanna isnt, Katy Pery sure isnt, and a host of others arent, trust me on this the whole selling every track seperate is going to bite this whole industry in the ass, what seemed like a genius move by apple, really isnt.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

Well Duran Duran stated this recently while being on tour for the current record, which ironically is doing quite well on Vinyl, Vinyl is the better sound experience, always was. I think now with tech growing, and machines like Vinyl to computer being sold everywhere, u have people realizing that vinyl sounds better and they can get that and burn it to their own players without the need of a download which is compressed so badly is amazing that people accept it as a form of purchasing music.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

True but when someone like Adele can still sell 10, 11 million copies worldwide of a record, you can't just end it. Like I said, it will end one day and it might be in the process to end but it's all speculation. Like I said, it may continue for another 30 years until it's finally put out to pasture. I understand though, because no one manufactures cassettes for artists but they need the CD more than tapes so that's why it won't end yet.

i agree but i differ with the fact that ADELE is far different than rihanna, rihanna is more like Katy Perry, she will struggle to get a platnum record here and yet have all top 10 singles, where as ADELE is more like a Norah Jones type that broke through with COME AWAY WITH ME where that sold a zillion copies worldwide, true that was 2002 and this 2011, but the are still appealing to an older crowd that buys cd's still, rihanna isnt, Katy Pery sure isnt, and a host of others arent, trust me on this the whole selling every track seperate is going to bite this whole industry in the ass, what seemed like a genius move by apple, really isnt.

lol you mean it isn't already?

kitbradley said:

bboy87 said:

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

Is this a regional thing? I live in Michigan and I can't think of a single person that I know personally who still owns a turntable. I have a truckload of vinyl records that I had planned on donating to a local record shop just to get them out of my way. Now, I'm scared, thinking vinyl may eventually make a huge comeback here in Michigan.

Definitely sounds regional lol

It seems unlikely as not everyone has a computer and/or don't know how to use it. People who don't get into computers are usually older and more likely to buy an album. Malaco still releases albums on cassettes and sell them in their mail order catalog. My mom orders tapes from them sometimes, because she can't find them in the store. Some folks who do have a computer don't order stuff online because they don't have a credit card or they're worried about internet security, so they don't want to put any information on it.

kitbradley said:

bboy87 said:

You should see the stores out here

Amoeba and Rasputin Music in the SF Bay Area's vinyl sections are more packed than the CD sections

Here in Sacramento, there's a store called "The Beat" that seems to concentrate more than vinyls than CDs....then there's Dimple Records where they just expanded the vinyl section to an offshoot store. I've spent a lot of time at all these stores

Is this a regional thing? I live in Michigan and I can't think of a single person that I know personally who still owns a turntable. I have a truckload of vinyl records that I had planned on donating to a local record shop just to get them out of my way. Now, I'm scared, thinking vinyl may eventually make a huge comeback here in Michigan.

Could be a regional thing. Record stores here in Northern CA have a love affair with vinyl and there's a lot of vinyl lovers and DJs out here. Places like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics stock vinyls too

One of the stores I mentioned, Rasputin..... there's vinyls in the R&B soul section, then vinyls in the world music section......then you go to the second level, and it's FILLED with vinyls. You could spend hours down there

In Holland here(Amsterdam mostly) we do have a lot of record stores. We also have a megastore ''FAME'' which is something like HMV or Virgin -mega-store . But sadly this amazing recordstore is going to shut down in late january next. But we still have good recordstores left. Amsterdam is a good city to go and shop for records. And we also have in Holland the biggest recordfair in Europe(always twice a year! ).

I honestly think that there always will be interest in CD's, vinyl or whatever. I mean there are lot of people who still like to buy the stuff and also artists have a fanbase of course and these people (not all of them ) but a lot do buy almost everything from their favorite artist. People do collect vinyl, cd's, etc. Well, also do I! And I love to collect vinyl, cd's, cassettes, etc.

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Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

i agree but i differ with the fact that ADELE is far different than rihanna, rihanna is more like Katy Perry, she will struggle to get a platnum record here and yet have all top 10 singles, where as ADELE is more like a Norah Jones type that broke through with COME AWAY WITH ME where that sold a zillion copies worldwide, true that was 2002 and this 2011, but the are still appealing to an older crowd that buys cd's still, rihanna isnt, Katy Pery sure isnt, and a host of others arent, trust me on this the whole selling every track seperate is going to bite this whole industry in the ass, what seemed like a genius move by apple, really isnt.

lol you mean it isn't already?

Well for Apple its not backfiring, they make more money than any corporation on earth and outsource all their jobs to make more....(hmmm i remember people getting on Bono about Taxes, how come no one jumped on Apple for selling out america?) Apple doesnt really care about music, its basically just another Best Buy type thing, Apple is in the Tech Business which is gonna get tough for them this year with Amazon jumping at them with a cheaper tablet that does almost everything the ipad does just for 400 less, apple has to look at alot issues because its gonna start to get squeezed, Emusic site now sells the same songs they do for 49-79cents, as they have it for 1.29, and albums for 7.99 and lower as iTunes has them for 9 and up, so its going to get even more open now, because digital is so cheap, they can almost sell it for a freaking dime at this point.

Digital music does not compare to the cd quality.

Without counting greatest hits/best of complilations, the last album in a CD format that I actually brought was Prince's 3121 (ironically also my last ever Prince album in general). My second & third to last albums on a CD format were The Pussycat Dolls's PCD & OutKast's Speakerboxx/The Love Below.

It's fair to say that I was in to mp3s a lot often in the 2000's post-Napster era. Shame on the music industry for waiting 11 years too late to see the writing on the wall.

Public Enemy warned them.

David Bowie warned them.

Prince warned them.

But did the RIAA yield to the warning that the World Wide Web was going to change the game? No. Therefore, I can NOT feel sorry for them at all, plain and simple.

Timmy84 said:

Wed Oct 26, 08:58 PM

Why the CD isn't going the way of the dinosaur... yet
CTVNews.ca Staff

A customer inspects a used CD of Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' that she purchased at a used CD and record store in Berkeley, Calif., June 26, 2009. (AP / Paul Sakuma)

The compact disc isn't going the way of the dinosaur anytime soon, according to self-described "professional music geek" Alan Cross.

The host of the Ongoing History of New Music told CTV News Channel on Wednesday he disagrees with an article in Side Line Music Magazine which suggests the major labels plan to abandon the format by the end of 2012 at the latest.

Cross, who acknowledges the CD's life expectancy is limited, shared five reasons why it will stick around at least for a little while yet.

Cash is king: First and foremost, CDs are still generating revenue for the record companies. Yes, the revenue stream from compact discs has declined in recent years as many users have switched to downloaded versions of their favourite albums, but one million album hard copies are still sold each week in the U.S.

"Some people just like holding something in their hands," Cross told CTV News Channel.

Retailer relations: If record companies stop producing shippable versions of their artists' offerings, they will effectively cripple the stores that sell those products and thereby damage important and longstanding business relationships. From big box retailers like Wal-Mart to independent record stores, the retailers play a vital role in getting product into the hands of fans whose computer skills may not be up to speed.


"I just can't see them saying 'sorry guys, after 100 years of selling products for us, we're not going to do that anymore,'" Cross said.


Old-school tendencies: The population of music fans who don't, and won't, purchase their music over the Internet is massive. Eliminating CDs would mean eliminating a massive segment of the market -- not something music companies are likely to do any time soon.


"The parents who have a VCR whose clock is still flashing 12 o'clock, this is the group we're talking about," Cross said. "Get my dad on the computer and working iTunes and downloading things to an MP3 player and plugging it into his car? I don't think so, that isn't going to happen."


Cruising tunes: People still listen to music in their cars while driving. It's a fact. Most car stereos still don't accept a USB port or an MP3 jack, and thus, people still proudly display their CD cases on their sun visors. Those people represent important dollar signs for the record companies, Cross said.


Swag: Vinyl might be the medium of choice for indie bands and their hipster fans, but it's expensive to produce and therefore CDs are more often the go-to choice. And those bands can still make money from selling CDs at concerts and through their websites -- an important revenue stream for struggling groups trying to put gasoline in the tank of the tour van.


"It will cost you $4 or $5 to make a CD and you can sell it for $10 or $15. If you sell 1,000 a month off the stage at your gigs that's getting pretty close to a decent revenue stream," Cross said.

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The writer of THIS^ article is overlooking the fact that the ageism-infested music industry of the 21st century could care less if some parents AND grandparents are not up-to-date with the changes of entertainment technology. The music industry has placed more of their focus on the 18-34 age bracket of music fans. Is the writer not aware of the high sales of ringtones?!? Has the writer not notice the high sales of the iPads, iPhones, & laptop computers lately?

^ Perhaps he does know but notes that there's still folks who don't even have a computer.

Tremolina said:

There is truth in it. But it will take a while longer.

More interesting question is why music companies haven't had the vision nor the capability to succesfully set up their own online Itunes and Amazon stores.

The record companies have their heads so far up their asses its become a third kidney. thank goodness for that.

The music conglomerates are too busy lamenting about about the deal they made with Apple, stressing over Youtube, and how things use to be. Seriously, these people are so out of touch its unreal. I suspect since they would have to build their online stores from the ground up, the infrastructure plus the cost is more than music companies are willing to pony up. Its a lil' more involved than people suspect and/or take for granted, since Apples iTunes and Amazon digital stores appear simple and seamless. But its not, that's why it's taking Google forever to launch their Android music store.

Instead it appears the music companies strategy is to play Apple, Amazon, at some point Google Music and all other "minor" digital store players against each other hoping to extract as much money as they can. In my opinion that's a tad shortsighted but hey... don't cry for me Argentina.

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TD3 said:

Tremolina said:

There is truth in it. But it will take a while longer.

More interesting question is why music companies haven't had the vision nor the capability to succesfully set up their own online Itunes and Amazon stores.

The record companies have their heads so far up their asses its become a third kidney. thank goodness for that.

The music conglomerates are too busy lamenting about about the deal they made with Apple, stressing over Youtube, and how things use to be. Seriously, these people are so out of touch its unreal. I suspect since they would have to build their online stores from the ground up, the infrastructure plus the cost is more than music companies are willing to pony up. Its a lil' more involved than people suspect and/or take for granted, since Apples iTunes and Amazon digital stores appear simple and seamless. But its not, that's why it's taking Google forever to launch their Android music store.

Instead it appears the music companies strategy is to play Apple, Amazon, at some point Google Music and all other "minor" digital store players against each other hoping to extract as much money as they can. In my opinion that's a tad shortsighted but hey... don't cry for me Argentina.

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Well you know they did try download stores. For a while. But they failed miserably because they didn't have the vision to set up something like Itunes. No, of course they had to make it more expensive and much less user friendly with copy-protected files you can't play anywhere and with only a limited supply of songs, because theywon't license eachother their songs.

They really should have gone for an Amazon store, because that is what most resembles the dinosaur business model they are so addicted to. But they didn't even try that. They are just waiting for it to become big and profitable enough to take it over. For many billions and then somehow manage to mess it up again.

MickyDolenz said:

It seems unlikely as not everyone has a computer and/or don't know how to use it. People who don't get into computers are usually older and more likely to buy an album. Malaco still releases albums on cassettes and sell them in their mail order catalog. My mom orders tapes from them sometimes, because she can't find them in the store. Some folks who do have a computer don't order stuff online because they don't have a credit card or they're worried about internet security, so they don't want to put any information on it.

It wouldn't surpise me after the digital takeover of TV a few years ago. People without the brand new TV sets being forced to buy a converter box for each of their TVs or they wouldn't work. As if people can afford to just spend money for a new TV set or converter box at the drop of a hat. Hell, it took me 30 something years for the price to go down enough on a 32 inch set for me to able to afford it. I be damned if I was going to go backwards and buy a little 12 inch set (the only new set I'd be able to afford) just because it's the "latest type of TV".

It just amazes me that people just assume that everyone can afford all the latest gadgets.

I know tons of people who still buy CD's for the car or if they are much older than I am, they prefer getting a disc over some download. At least from what I have seen.

Timmy84 said:

Vinyl is still considered "novelty". Same with MP3's.

MP3's has yet to grow into something valuable.

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Whut! Novelty!