JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

With few exceptions, I never really paid attention to YouTube for that. But I doubt they'll stop uploading those type of videos unless they felt threatened.

They'll never stop the poops though.

[Edited 10/29/11 3:24am]

lol

fuck the ads, if they only want to fuck professional pussies, then let them...

I don't give a shit about this, even if it's free. Hell, I use youtube because it offers INTERNATIONAL videos (which are both old and new) immediately, at once; it's a like a huge, interactive dictionary of international videos of any era, offering anything: erotic videos, clips of hollywood movies, interviews, rare songs, videoclips, comedy, documentaries, concerts, footage of the 20th Century, etc. THAT is (was?) the ORIGINAL idea of youtube...

I don't give a shit about this "professional online TV" wtf

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Me either. I saw what they were putting on there. Uh yeah not interested. I'll stick to the amateur videos for life son.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

lol

fuck the ads, if they only want to fuck professional pussies, then let them...

I don't give a shit about this, even if it's free. Hell, I use youtube because it offers INTERNATIONAL videos (which are both old and new) immediately, at once; it's a like a huge, interactive dictionary of international videos of any era, offering anything: erotic videos, clips of hollywood movies, interviews, rare songs, videoclips, comedy, documentaries, concerts, footage of the 20th Century, etc. THAT is (was?) the ORIGINAL idea of youtube...

I don't give a shit about this "professional online TV" wtf

[Edited 10/29/11 3:43am]

Me either. I saw what they were putting on there. Uh yeah not interested. I'll stick to the amateur videos for life son.

not necessarily "amateur" videos

what I like about the original youtube is that it offers ANY video (both professional or amateur), but the beauty of it is that they were uploaded by the Internet community, the online folk (web 2.0.)

They said back in 2007-2009 that the web2.0. was the future right? people creating their OWN online "tv" of videos, the self-service of digital videos...but now we are back to ads, major stars, professional tv, restriction, "pay for it" wtf...

failure...this IS the dead of the 2.0

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

Me either. I saw what they were putting on there. Uh yeah not interested. I'll stick to the amateur videos for life son.

not necessarily "amateur" videos

what I like about the original youtube is that it offers ANY video (both professional or amateur), but the beauty of it is that they were uploaded by the Internet community, the online folk (web 2.0.)

They said back in 2007-2009 that the web2.0. was the future right? people creating their OWN online "tv" of videos, the self-service of digital videos...but now we are back to ads, major stars, professional tv, restriction, "pay for it" wtf...

failure...this IS the dead of the 2.0

I don't remember them saying that about web2.0... the thing is ads were started to be used on YouTube back in 2006 just so it can remain "free". I'm sure the "professionals" won't change that. Like I said I hardly use it for anything other than checking out music or YouTube poops or documentaries. It ain't ending, but we gotta compete lol

Anyways, Tony, here's the alternatives:

http://mashable.com/2011/...ernatives/

I'm thinking of getting a VIMEO account.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

not necessarily "amateur" videos

what I like about the original youtube is that it offers ANY video (both professional or amateur), but the beauty of it is that they were uploaded by the Internet community, the online folk (web 2.0.)

They said back in 2007-2009 that the web2.0. was the future right? people creating their OWN online "tv" of videos, the self-service of digital videos...but now we are back to ads, major stars, professional tv, restriction, "pay for it" wtf...

failure...this IS the dead of the 2.0

I don't remember them saying that about web2.0... the thing is ads were started to be used on YouTube back in 2006 just so it can remain "free". I'm sure the "professionals" won't change that. Like I said I hardly use it for anything other than checking out music or YouTube poops or documentaries. It ain't ending, but we gotta compete lol

hope you're right. we don't even know how this professional online tv will be or the restrictions they would try to inflict on us

2012 will be a "hot" year...

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't remember them saying that about web2.0... the thing is ads were started to be used on YouTube back in 2006 just so it can remain "free". I'm sure the "professionals" won't change that. Like I said I hardly use it for anything other than checking out music or YouTube poops or documentaries. It ain't ending, but we gotta compete lol

hope you're right. we don't even know how this professional online tv will be or the restrictions they would try to inflict on us

2012 will be a "hot" year...

It depends... it might be another one of these deals that falls flat like it sometimes seems to do on YouTube.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

hope you're right. we don't even know how this professional online tv will be or the restrictions they would try to inflict on us

2012 will be a "hot" year...

It depends... it might be another one of these deals that falls flat like it sometimes seems to do on YouTube.

Timmy84 said:

Anyways, Tony, here's the alternatives:

http://mashable.com/2011/...ernatives/

I'm thinking of getting a VIMEO account.

Bookmark! Thanks.

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

yes, I have a life: MY life, and I choose to fill the hours of my life the way I want, and that includes a couple of hours of youtube's surfing, everyday

I'm so sad if your life is empty without people surrounding you at bars 24/7, man

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Sell out? It already did that Tony.

Getting brought out by Google does not count. Google is small compare to Microsoft and even Apple.

Now getting shafted by the RIAA (like what happen to Napster), MPAA, Viacom, Clear Channel Communications, News Corp (like what happen to MySpace), or other media corporations, that would be selling out.

That used to be true but google is huge now.

IMO getting bought out by google was the start of the downfall. You can't even access your youtube account anymore unless you sign up for a google account so they can use their data mining technology to keep track of your every move. I haven't signed into my youtube account since that mess started.

Now the door opens wider for the corporate media to dominate the site and ruin it.

I see that nobody has answered your question about if there are any alternative video sites...I wanna know too.

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

I will never have a facebook or twitter account, ever.

I like to spend time online once in awhile...theres a lot of good information all over the web, but what I don't like is my every move being tracked so somebody can sell me something or worse.

To me, having a life means not being under constant surveillance as I go about my day, which is increasingly becoming impossible.

JoeTyler said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

yes, I have a life: MY life, and I choose to fill the hours of my life the way I want, and that includes a couple of hours of youtube's surfing, everyday

I'm so sad if your life is empty without people surrounding you at bars 24/7, man

Calm down Tyler, no need to be sad for me.

I miss you, you should make a return to the open sore that is PM&M, you are wasted here.

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babynoz said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

To me, having a life means not being under constant surveillance as I go about my day, which is increasingly becoming impossible.

Absolutely.

TheDigitalGardener said:

JoeTyler said:

yes, I have a life: MY life, and I choose to fill the hours of my life the way I want, and that includes a couple of hours of youtube's surfing, everyday

I'm so sad if your life is empty without people surrounding you at bars 24/7, man

Calm down Tyler, no need to be sad for me.

I miss you, you should make a return to the open sore that is PM&M, you are wasted here.

[Edited 10/29/11 9:04am]

lol, I only go there when I listen to P's music. I have not touched a Prince album since early September...

The New York Times... Google Tries Again With Google TV it's worth the while to read the readers comments... very good points.

My thoughts aobut Google/Youtube good luck with that. As Timmy mentioned, Google / Youtube sold out a long time ago when they allowed record companies suits to bully them in removing videos they thought diparaged one of their artist. That's just for starters,.

I'm not a big time watcher of TV let alone a viewer of BET, MTV, VH1 in their hayday. To my surprised I feel in love with the "amateur" music vides, documentaries, short films that were all to common when the Tube first started out. Youtube is my radio (save from the radio apps on my Apple devices) and a place I watch documentaries, how to videos, eletronic /music gear reviews. Personally, I'm not interested in paying to watch Google TV, I have Cable provider and an iPad for that. I suspect I'm like a lot of people who've carved out their own nich of how they choose to recieve their entertaiment, free or for a price. No more herding of the sheep. So, if Youtube at somepoint came with a fee, I could drop it in a New York minute and find something to replace it.

MTV and VH1 in part only stopped playing videos when the record companies bitched about not getting their fair share of the revenue. What did they do? MTV /VH1 neutralized them with orignal programming, no muss no fuss. I suspect Google trying do the same thing. I like all Youtube members recieved an email form them Friday about the possiblity of making revenue off of originall content.

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^ I got that too. Monetization. I have no desire to do that shit. They can keep it.

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that too. Monetization. I have no desire to do that shit. They can keep it.

I feel the same way, it takes away from the spirt of channel. Not everything should have a price, what happened to sharing? (IMHO)

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that too. Monetization. I have no desire to do that shit. They can keep it.

I feel the same way, it takes away from the spirt of channel. Not everything should have a price, what happened to sharing? (IMHO)

I agree. People love to be cops over there.

JoeTyler said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

yes, I have a life: MY life, and I choose to fill the hours of my life the way I want, and that includes a couple of hours of youtube's surfing, everyday

I'm so sad if your life is empty without people surrounding you at bars 24/7, man

Well, there are alternatives to be glued to a computer and to spend all your time at bars, aren't there?

babynoz said:

TonyVanDam said:

Getting brought out by Google does not count. Google is small compare to Microsoft and even Apple.

Now getting shafted by the RIAA (like what happen to Napster), MPAA, Viacom, Clear Channel Communications, News Corp (like what happen to MySpace), or other media corporations, that would be selling out.

That used to be true but google is huge now.

IMO getting bought out by google was the start of the downfall. You can't even access your youtube account anymore unless you sign up for a google account so they can use their data mining technology to keep track of your every move. I haven't signed into my youtube account since that mess started.

Now the door opens wider for the corporate media to dominate the site and ruin it.

I see that nobody has answered your question about if there are any alternative video sites...I wanna know too.

Timmy was the first one in Reply #63. But you can still tell me more YouTube alternatives that you know of.

Timmy84 said:

I wouldn't go THAT far to say "downfall" JUST YET. People will still do those random videos and shit but it'll have to compete. It's kinda like with XTube, there's so many amateur channels that you have to pay to see and it's already like that with YouTube (you gotta pay to see some movies that the film companies have uploaded on there).

That said, the only alternative I see is DailyMotion.

In that kind of market and the world we live in, everything can and will be replaced. People CD's were the be all end all and look at whats going on now>>> Best Buy is considering pulling more of its stock out and just selling download cards more than anything, DVDS were the shit but now alot of outlets have pulled MUSIC dvds out of their stores totally because there is no demand for the ones being put out, the problem is the attention span of the consumer and also the creators. Apple already is replacing the new phone you are on line at 3am to buy, when you were buying the 20gb ipod the were already making the 120gb ipod. Its all going to become a competition more and more because the only business is in tech. The only jobs are tech jobs, 90% from overseas, i know people are talking about WALL STREET and the occupation, but it bugs me when some dude is complaining about CORPORATE AMERICA and also has a laptop and iPod, thats the biggest corporation that you are supporting right there, so the occupation has no merit. But like we were saying, YouTube is going to be replaced, so is iTunes, there are other things opening up all the time, Emusic site is gaining huge strength right now offering the same songs that iTunes has for 1.29 for .79cents sometimes .49 cents, albums that are 9.99 they sell for 5-7, though a subscription site, who isnt going to go for that reduction? Its the same thing with other forms of tech, the ipad is what 300-500 dollars, Amazon is going to blow it away with its 199 tablet, that has almost everything that the overpriced iPad does, which will lead to prices coming way down so apple can compete more with it, but Amazons timing is genius, November 15th right in time with the holidays rush. YOUTUBE to me lost its meaning because its more about posting stupid shit than anything valuable, so i can understand them wanting to branch away, i mean YouTube is known for singing babies and dancing cats, nothing important, i mean what have they done? made the Obama girl famous for a day, or Justin Beinber or the Journey lead singer got his gig from YouTube but lets be real, YouTUbe is not something sacred, nor are any of the other things mentioned

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

Before YouTube & Facebook, we had chat rooms (remember those?!?).

Before 2001, I didn't even have my second and current desktop computer yet. I was web surfing with a WebTV console that you hook up to your TV and your land phone line. And yes, I was using WebTV trying to find music as well.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I got that too. Monetization. I have no desire to do that shit. They can keep it.

I feel the same way, it takes away from the spirt of channel. Not everything should have a price, what happened to sharing? (IMHO)

I asked the same question before eDonkey/eMule, Kazza/Kazza-Lite, & LimeWire/FrostWire were all either shutdown or sold-out.

TonyVanDam said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Remember before youtube, facebook and all those other things designed to glue you to your computers?

Remember when you had a life?

Before YouTube & Facebook, we had chat rooms (remember those?!?).

Before 2001, I didn't even have my second and current desktop computer yet. I was web surfing with a WebTV console that you hook up to your TV and your land phone line. And yes, I was using WebTV trying to find music as well.

wow man, truckload of memories...

I remember 98-01, with the (then) amateurish sites of major artists/bands, the (many times just plain bizarre) chat rooms, the golden era of the E-Mail, the "Online Bars" (pay some good money for an hour of slow-ass surfing, lol) AND Napster...

JoeTyler said:

TonyVanDam said:

Before YouTube & Facebook, we had chat rooms (remember those?!?).

Before 2001, I didn't even have my second and current desktop computer yet. I was web surfing with a WebTV console that you hook up to your TV and your land phone line. And yes, I was using WebTV trying to find music as well.

wow man, truckload of memories...

I remember 98-01, with the (then) amateurish sites of major artists/bands, the (many times just plain bizarre) chat rooms, the golden era of the E-Mail, the "Online Bars" (pay some good money for an hour of slow-ass surfing, lol) AND Napster...

Do people even use e-mail in 2011?!?

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

wow man, truckload of memories...

I remember 98-01, with the (then) amateurish sites of major artists/bands, the (many times just plain bizarre) chat rooms, the golden era of the E-Mail, the "Online Bars" (pay some good money for an hour of slow-ass surfing, lol) AND Napster...

Do people even use e-mail in 2011?!?

still useful to share/send office documents, lol

E-mails will never get old.