Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

I've never heard about this before. That might have been a very interesting combination.

purplethunder3121 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

I've never heard about this before. That might have been a very interesting combination.

Morris stated this on the 07ven DVD documentary. He said Prince "poo poo'd" (his words lol) onthat and a few other things.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I've never heard about this before. That might have been a very interesting combination.

Morris stated this on the 07ven DVD documentary. He said Prince "poo poo'd" (his words lol) onthat and a few other things.

No wonder I never heard it--I'm still waiting on the DVD from Best Buy.

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame that Prince didn't want these guys to take advantage of opportunities that came their way.

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

madhattter said:

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame that Prince didn't want these guys to take advantage of opportunities that came their way.

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

Prince may have been wrong for telling Morris not to do it but Morris stayed because it was good for him until it wasn't anymore. Jam & Lewis saw their shot and took it, paid the consequences of their actions and never looked back. It worked for them. The music business is still a business. You either run your own affairs or have someone doing it for you. Prince did that for a lot of people back then. If Prince didn't make the distatseful choices that he did we'd have Alexander O'Neal up front and Morris Day would just be some drummer!

madhattter said:

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame that Prince didn't want these guys to take advantage of opportunities that came their way.

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

And during the Controversy tour he actually kicked The Time off the bill in major cities such as New York and LA because they had been getting so much attention.

HonestMan13 said:

madhattter said:

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

Prince may have been wrong for telling Morris not to do it but Morris stayed because it was good for him until it wasn't anymore. Jam & Lewis saw their shot and took it, paid the consequences of their actions and never looked back. It worked for them. The music business is still a business. You either run your own affairs or have someone doing it for you. Prince did that for a lot of people back then. If Prince didn't make the distatseful choices that he did we'd have Alexander O'Neal up front and Morris Day would just be some drummer!

Not for long. Alex O' Neal would have snorted it away and Morris would have probably

eventually ended up the front man anyway.

madhattter said:

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame that Prince didn't want these guys to take advantage of opportunities that came their way.

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

Those of us that lived it know. We used to have healthy debates about this in high school

standing outside freezing our ass off at the bus stop.

To keep it real, Alex is a better vocalist than Morris, so him fronting the Time wouldn't have been that bad. His solo material is Time-esque anyway, considering J&T produced a lot of it.

madhattter said:

SoulAlive said:

It's a shame that Prince didn't want these guys to take advantage of opportunities that came their way.

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

I never understood why Prince wanted to 'control' people.It's one thing for him to write and produce their music,but to try to stop them from doing the same with other artists? That's a crazy situation and it's one reason why his 'empire' ultimately collapsed.You can't control people and stop them from making money and pursuing their dreams.

I've said this many times before: Prince should have realized how much talent he had around him and ultilized these people to create his own Motown of the 80s.Instead of firing Jam and Lewis,he should have offered them a writing and producing deal! Same with Andre Cymone.By the late 80s,his Paisley Park Records label was releasing all these hit-less albums that went nowhere.

BlaqueKnight said:

To keep it real, Alex is a better vocalist than Morris, so him fronting the Time wouldn't have been that bad. His solo material is Time-esque anyway, considering J&T produced a lot of it.

That's true but ask yourself where would Morris be if the switch hadn't been made. Would we even care about him and his current status. Prince put people in the right places to further their careers. Sheila E would've never sang without his pushing for it. Morris would've been the same way.

Pokeno4Money said:

madhattter said:

It is a shame as you say and usually it stems from a lack of self esteem in your life and judging from the Orriginal 7ven documentary it doesn't surprise me at all. Don't forget that at times the Time was upstaging his majesty on the 1999 tour and I'm a witness to that.

And during the Controversy tour he actually kicked The Time off the bill in major cities such as New York and LA because they had been getting so much attention.

that happened on the 1999 tour,too Prince got pissed that The Time were getting rave reviews for their performances,so he removed them from the bill in some of the major cities (L.A. and New York).Prince later admitted that the Time were becoming "like Godzilla" and that they were the only band that he was ever afraid of.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what year this was, would it have included Kashif?

My guess is that this collaboration was planned in mid-1983,when Evelyn was working on her 'Face To Face' album.A few tracks were produced by Andre Cymone.Evelyn was a huge fan of the Minneapolis sound.She probably came up with the idea to do a duet with Morris Day.

purplethunder3121 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Morris stated this on the 07ven DVD documentary. He said Prince "poo poo'd" (his words lol) onthat and a few other things.

No wonder I never heard it--I'm still waiting on the DVD from Best Buy.

The DVD came with the and no BS this CD is on point 4 real better then Prince's last 3 CD'z combined this is the Best Time aka O7 I will say better than Pandemonium.

sirnasstee said:

purplethunder3121 said:

No wonder I never heard it--I'm still waiting on the DVD from Best Buy.

The DVD came with the and no BS this CD is on point 4 real better then Prince's last 3 CD'z combined this is the Best Time aka O7 I will say better than Pandemonium.

Hafta agree, I'm loving this CD ... haven't stopped playing it since I bought it Saturday.

I would put Role Play up against anything The Time has done in the past - including Jungle Love. It's THAT good.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

I never heard that rumor and can't even imagine a duet between the two. Their voices don't really compliment one another. Ev's has so much base in her voice.

I do remember reading about her that she once had an intense crush on Prince and for a period during her career, she referred to herself as "Princess".

HotGritz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

I never heard that rumor and can't even imagine a duet between the two. Their voices don't really compliment one another. Ev's has so much base in her voice.

I do remember reading about her that she once had an intense crush on Prince and for a period during her career, she referred to herself as "Princess".

I agree in that their voices don't match, anyway this "Time" CD is by far the best they have ever done!

HotGritz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Is there any information on this floating around anywhere?

Was it to be a duet like 'Mechanical Romance' with Vanity or a whole album with the duo? Do we know around what yer this was, would it have included Kashif that's hy Prince "poo poo'd" on this marriage?

I never heard that rumor and can't even imagine a duet between the two. Their voices don't really compliment one another. Ev's has so much base in her voice.

I do remember reading about her that she once had an intense crush on Prince and for a period during her career, she referred to herself as "Princess".

Morris wasn't going to sing with her, he was going to write a song for her.

Pokeno4Money said:

HotGritz said:

I never heard that rumor and can't even imagine a duet between the two. Their voices don't really compliment one another. Ev's has so much base in her voice.

I do remember reading about her that she once had an intense crush on Prince and for a period during her career, she referred to herself as "Princess".

Morris wasn't going to sing with her, he was going to write a song for her.

AND

I still can't see it.

Pokeno4Money said:

HotGritz said:

I never heard that rumor and can't even imagine a duet between the two. Their voices don't really compliment one another. Ev's has so much base in her voice.

I do remember reading about her that she once had an intense crush on Prince and for a period during her career, she referred to herself as "Princess".

Morris wasn't going to sing with her, he was going to write a song for her.

Did he write Mechanical Romance?

HotGritz said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Morris wasn't going to sing with her, he was going to write a song for her.

AND

I still can't see it.

Andre Cymone wrote and produced four songs for Evelyn, why can't you see Morris doing the same?

SoulAlive said:

Pokeno4Money said:

And during the Controversy tour he actually kicked The Time off the bill in major cities such as New York and LA because they had been getting so much attention.

that happened on the 1999 tour,too Prince got pissed that The Time were getting rave reviews for their performances,so he removed them from the bill in some of the major cities (L.A. and New York).Prince later admitted that the Time were becoming "like Godzilla" and that they were the only band that he was ever afraid of.

Sounds like L.M.S. (Little Man Syndrome.) It's okay...The Time are STILL workin' it! Where's the little man? Givin' away free CD's in other countries??? Please...get ovah yo'self.

whitechocolatebrotha said:

SoulAlive said:

that happened on the 1999 tour,too Prince got pissed that The Time were getting rave reviews for their performances,so he removed them from the bill in some of the major cities (L.A. and New York).Prince later admitted that the Time were becoming "like Godzilla" and that they were the only band that he was ever afraid of.

Sounds like L.M.S. (Little Man Syndrome.) It's okay...The Time are STILL workin' it! Where's the little man? Givin' away free CD's in other countries??? Please...get ovah yo'self.

You do realize that was over 25 years ago? I would think they'd all be over it by now.

HonestMan13 said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Sounds like L.M.S. (Little Man Syndrome.) It's okay...The Time are STILL workin' it! Where's the little man? Givin' away free CD's in other countries??? Please...get ovah yo'self.

You do realize that was over 25 years ago? I would think they'd all be over it by now.

It's still happening now, hence the name change.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

HonestMan13 said:

You do realize that was over 25 years ago? I would think they'd all be over it by now.

It's still happening now, hence the name change.

Morris has toured endlessly under Morris Day & The Time and made money off of it. The Original 7ven had no interest in reforming for about 18 years or so(until the Grammy show). The name was virtually useless to anybody for all of that time and it wasn't an issue. When faced with a situation that he didn't like Prince changed his name to get around it. That manuever basically showed any protege who's named he claimed to own how to get around him with no effort or drama.

Also I haven't watched the entire documentary but when Jam & Lewis left and asked who's coming with us why didn't everyone get up if it was so unbearable? According to them they were on the rise and it would've been the perfect time to strike out on their own from under Prince. Heck, Jerome stuck around to be in 2 more bands and another movie and a tour!

That's something that's been bothering me about the Time saga. When Jam & Lewis were sacked, why didn't the other members join them if they felt that Prince was doing them dirty? Why stay around if they weren't scared to topple him onstage? Me thinks they needed Prince then more than probably Jam & Lewis did so Jam & Lewis went on to be top producers. It wasn't until the late 1980s that portions of the group returned to work together (Jam & Lewis producing "Fishnet" for Morris).

whitechocolatebrotha said:

SoulAlive said:

that happened on the 1999 tour,too Prince got pissed that The Time were getting rave reviews for their performances,so he removed them from the bill in some of the major cities (L.A. and New York).Prince later admitted that the Time were becoming "like Godzilla" and that they were the only band that he was ever afraid of.

Sounds like L.M.S. (Little Man Syndrome.) It's okay...The Time are STILL workin' it! Where's the little man? Givin' away free CD's in other countries??? Please...get ovah yo'self.

Not to add to this Time Prince debate but i was in Target today and they had a shitload

of Lotusflow3r cd's they were trying to unload for 4.99

Timmy84 said:

That's something that's been bothering me about the Time saga. When Jam & Lewis were sacked, why didn't the other members join them if they felt that Prince was doing them dirty? Why stay around if they weren't scared to topple him onstage? Me thinks they needed Prince then more than probably Jam & Lewis did so Jam & Lewis went on to be top producers. It wasn't until the late 1980s that portions of the group returned to work together (Jam & Lewis producing "Fishnet" for Morris).

That's a telling move right there. Them dudes knew which side the bread was buttered. Jam & Lewis had done one hot track at that point. That wasn't going to feed 7 dudes and their families. Everyone made an adult decision for their own best interests. Prince hardly locked them in the basement and forced them to play shows. To believe the bragging they do on wax these dudes were getting laid beyond anything they ever knew and doing major venue shows. Sounds like hell to me! Even jam said the material Prince was giving them was top notch!