Madonna Collaborates With M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj

So I heard the rumour that it might could be true that the studio/single version of ''Give Me All Your Love'' wouldn't include M.I.A & Nicki Minaj. It's now rumoured that they just only perform with her at the superbowl(M.I.A, Nicki Minaj and a another musical guest.. who is not known)

Could be true cuz just like last years superbowl there were 3 unexpected acts performing together at the superbowl(Slash, Usher & BEP)

xLiberiangirl said:

So I heard the rumour that it might could be true that the studio/single version of ''Give Me All Your Love'' wouldn't include M.I.A & Nicki Minaj. It's now rumoured that they just only perform with her at the superbowl(M.I.A, Nicki Minaj and a another musical guest.. who is not known)

Could be true cuz just like last years superbowl there were 3 unexpected acts performing together at the superbowl(Slash, Usher & BEP)

I also heard that it's possible that Nicki and M.I.A. only appear on the remix and not the 'regular' version.Thus,the version performed at the Super Bowl may be the remix version.

SoulAlive said:

VoicesCarry said:

No, you've got it all wrong. Please re-read. Where did I say rappers damaged Janet's career? I said that chasing trends did. And, yes, Nipplegate and the sex obsession included. But you're not seeing the forest for the trees. My point about rappers had nothing to do with Janet. My point was that if every mainstream female artist out there has a featured rapper right now, I'd prefer that Madonna avoided that temptation.

All artists should be held to high standards, not just Madonna. It's just that we've come to expect Madonna to avoid trend-chasing. Haven't we extolled the virtues of her progressiveness for decades now? Why should we embrace mediocrity from her (or from anyone, for that matter)? Hard Candy was utterly abysmal, and my apologies for worrying that Nicki Minaj and M.I.A. on the track is not exactly going to lead to anything of interest - or anything listenable, for that matter. (It does not help matters that both those bitches grate on my ears like nothing else LOL!)

Still, I'm curious to see what she comes up with. It can't be worse than Hard Candy. Or can it?

I honestly don't see the harm in Madonna having a guest rapper on a track,as long as the song is great to begin with.For example,I think Kanye West on "Beat Goes On" turned out perfectly and many fans insist that's one of the best songs on the album.If the new song is good to begin with,there's no way that a few lines from Nicki Minaj could ruin it

You keep using the phrase "trend-chasing".Once again,I ask you....how many more trends can Madonna set? How much more ground can she break? What more do you expect her to do? It's not that I'm accepting mediocrity from her,it's just that I feel like many fans expect too much from her sometimes.They have these unrealistic expectations of what she should sound like.They expect her to re-invent the wheel with each new record.I know she set extremely high standards for herself with albums like Ray Of Light and Like A Prayer,but that was a long time ago.Nobody is really breaking new ground these days,or doing something that nobody else has ever done before.What you refer to as "trend-chasing" is really just Madonna being what she has always been: a pop artist making pop music.I'm one of her biggest fans,but even I refuse to act like she's some supernatural being who can move mountains and walk on water,lol.

You keep mentioning Hard Candy but there's one thing you can be sure of.MADONNA NEVER MAKES THE SAME ALBUM TWICE.Are we clear on that? If she was gonna repeat herself,she would simply call up Timbaland again,or work with the hottest producers in R&B/hip-hop right now.You keep ignoring the list of producers and some of the other obscure names attached to this new album.This doesn't sound like a predictable,commercial project to me.

I appreciate your points and look forward to seeing what she brings to the table.

My issue with this information had much to do with Nicki and M.I.A. being attached to the project. After Hard Candy, which I personally feel was completely uninspired and essentially unlistenable, Madonna working with any rappers of any sort just does not sound like a promising concept to me.

But, we'll see.

TonyVanDam said:

Seeing AND hearing about Madonna & Nicki Minaj in an unholy alliance is not a surprise to me at all, given the Nicki is a clone of Lil'Kim who is also a Madonna-fan. This collboration was expected to happen soon or less.

My main complain is the social hypocrity of MIA.

This is another "socially-conscience" rap artist has sold-out on her principles just so she can finally have that taste of crossover success.

Then again, I should NOT have been surprise because MIA's record label N.E.E.T. Recordings is in alliance with Interscope Records, meaning that no good f***ing Jimmy Iovine had done it again, co-conspire another "socially-conscience" rap artist to compromise the same way The Black Eyed Peas (especially will.i.am via Fergie) did.

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Out of respect for SoulAlive, I will not allow myself to go off-topic with my rant in his/her thread. But let the truth be known that I'm starting to despise Jimmy Iovine a lot more that Clive Davis now!

[Edited 11/1/11 1:49am]

As a big M.I.A. fan I'm interested in hearing you explain this. Her latest album was still highly political and didn't sound very commercial at all.

RKJCNE said:

TonyVanDam said:

Seeing AND hearing about Madonna & Nicki Minaj in an unholy alliance is not a surprise to me at all, given the Nicki is a clone of Lil'Kim who is also a Madonna-fan. This collboration was expected to happen soon or less.

My main complain is the social hypocrity of MIA.

This is another "socially-conscience" rap artist has sold-out on her principles just so she can finally have that taste of crossover success.

Then again, I should NOT have been surprise because MIA's record label N.E.E.T. Recordings is in alliance with Interscope Records, meaning that no good f***ing Jimmy Iovine had done it again, co-conspire another "socially-conscience" rap artist to compromise the same way The Black Eyed Peas (especially will.i.am via Fergie) did.

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Out of respect for SoulAlive, I will not allow myself to go off-topic with my rant in his/her thread. But let the truth be known that I'm starting to despise Jimmy Iovine a lot more that Clive Davis now!

[Edited 11/1/11 1:49am]

As a big M.I.A. fan I'm interested in hearing you explain this. Her latest album was still highly political and didn't sound very commercial at all.

Hahaha. No kidding. Clearly he doesn't listen to her music. Some mainstream popularity does not = sellout.

omg! the lyrics leaked!

As a few (not always accurate) parts of the “Give Me All Your Love” lyrics have leaked, Madonnarama decided to finally reveal the complete lyrics of Madonna’s lead single.
According to our source, these aren’t from the final version, but from the demo version that only includes Madonna and the backing vocals.

Keep in mind that this is one of the fun, radio friendly tracks and absolutely perfect for the Super Bowl. The overall album contains much more deeper and personal lyrics.

L-U-V Madonna
Y-O-U You wanna
I see you coming and I don’t wanna know your name
L-U-V Madonna
I see you coming and you’re gonna have to change the game
Y-O-U You wanna
Would you like to try?
Give me a reason why
Give me all that you got
Maybe you’ll do fine
As long as you don’t lie to me
And pretend to be what you’re not

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

L-U-V Madonna
Y-O-U You wanna
Keep trying don’t give up, it’s if you want it bad enough
L-U-V Madonna
It’s right in front of you, now tell me what you’re thinking of
Y-O-U You wanna
In another place, at a different time
You can be my lucky star
We can drink some wine
Burgundy is fine
Let’s drink the bottle every drop

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

(Bridge)
You have all the L-U-V
I gave you everything you need
Now it’s up to Y-O-U
Are you the one, shall we proceed?
M-A-D Don’t make me
L-U-V It’s time for
Y-O-U It’s up to
L-U-V I want your

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

Read more: http://www.madonnarama.co...z1cT8RtbxZ

JustErin said:

RKJCNE said:

As a big M.I.A. fan I'm interested in hearing you explain this. Her latest album was still highly political and didn't sound very commercial at all.

Hahaha. No kidding. Clearly he doesn't listen to her music. Some mainstream popularity does not = sellout.

@RKJCNE & JustErin......Listen to me very carefully because I'm only going to explain this to the both of you just one time only. If you still don't get it, you will never will.

THIS is not just about the music. This is also about the context of a person character within the system we call a music industry.

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

And will all due respect, a real socially-conscious aritst would not compromise their principles and allow himself/herself to be on the same track with someone who is a direct opposite of a "socially conscience" artist, meaning Nicki Minaj.

And excuse you Erin, but THIS^ artistic compromising is an example of a socially-conscious artist selling out. But given MIA's business connection with Jimmy Iovine, I'm no longer surprise by any of this anymore. These days, being "socially-conscious" means nothing much like it should.

[Edited 11/1/11 12:10pm]

TonyVanDam said:

JustErin said:

Hahaha. No kidding. Clearly he doesn't listen to her music. Some mainstream popularity does not = sellout.

@RKJCNE & JustErin......Listen to me very carefully because I'm only going to explain this to the both of you just one time only. If you still don't get it, you will never will.

THIS is not just about the music. This is also about the context of a person character within the system we call a music industry.

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

And will all due respect, a real socially-conscience aritst would not compromise their principles and allow himself/herself to be on the same track with someone who is a direct opposite of a "socially conscience" artist, meaning Nicki Minaj.

And excuse you Erin, but THIS^ artistic compromising is an example of a socially-conscience artist selling out. But given MIA's business connection with Jimmy Iovine, I'm no longer surprise by any of this anymore. These days, being "socially-conscience" means nothing much like it should.

Oh, so in other words, you expect her to be perfect. Beyond perfect, even. No, she can't do a fun song every now and then or have more than one dimension beyond being socially conscious. Basically, she can't be human -- she's got to be some sort of social justice robot. Personally, I think this collab is great because it could raise MIA's stature and encourage a lot more people to check out her music. Not to mention the fact that both Madonna and Nicki Minaj could benefit from getting to know her. (Which I don't mean as a slam to either of them -- I like them both, but if anybody learns from anybody in this collaboration I hope it's Madge and Nicki learning from the lovely Ms. Maya Arulpragasam. )

Arbwyth said:

TonyVanDam said:

@RKJCNE & JustErin......Listen to me very carefully because I'm only going to explain this to the both of you just one time only. If you still don't get it, you will never will.

THIS is not just about the music. This is also about the context of a person character within the system we call a music industry.

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

And will all due respect, a real socially-conscience aritst would not compromise their principles and allow himself/herself to be on the same track with someone who is a direct opposite of a "socially conscience" artist, meaning Nicki Minaj.

And excuse you Erin, but THIS^ artistic compromising is an example of a socially-conscience artist selling out. But given MIA's business connection with Jimmy Iovine, I'm no longer surprise by any of this anymore. These days, being "socially-conscience" means nothing much like it should.

Oh, so in other words, you expect her to be perfect. Beyond perfect, even. No, she can't do a fun song every now and then or have more than one dimension beyond being socially conscious. Basically, she can't be human -- she's got to be some sort of social justice robot. Personally, I think this collab is great because it could raise MIA's stature and encourage a lot more people to check out her music. Not to mention the fact that both Madonna and Nicki Minaj could benefit from getting to know her. (Which I don't mean as a slam to either of them -- I like them both, but if anybody learns from anybody in this collaboration I hope it's Madge and Nicki learning from the lovely Ms. Maya Arulpragasam. )

Perfection? No. Accountability? Yes.

A 53 year old woman making Dance/Pop records is patendly ridiculous...

Although I haven't listened to any of her stuff since 1985

Tony, you know NOTHING about MIA.

I see Madge still got the tongues waggin'! Could care less about the other two (don't care for their music), but it'll be interesting to see what she comes up with this time.

JustErin said:

Tony, you know NOTHING about MIA.

You totally FAILED to read the memo in my previous post:

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

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In other words, I only know about the singles from MIA's pervious album.

Like I said, a true socially-conscience rap artist would have NEVER been on the same track with a rap artist that is the exact opposite of socially-conscious such as Nicki Minaj.

I stand by my words without compromise. If you don't understand my point Erin, then you never understand it at all. Period.

EDIT for spell check

[Edited 11/1/11 11:14am]

[Edited 11/1/11 12:08pm]

Arbwyth said:

TonyVanDam said:

@RKJCNE & JustErin......Listen to me very carefully because I'm only going to explain this to the both of you just one time only. If you still don't get it, you will never will.

THIS is not just about the music. This is also about the context of a person character within the system we call a music industry.

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

And will all due respect, a real socially-conscience aritst would not compromise their principles and allow himself/herself to be on the same track with someone who is a direct opposite of a "socially conscience" artist, meaning Nicki Minaj.

And excuse you Erin, but THIS^ artistic compromising is an example of a socially-conscience artist selling out. But given MIA's business connection with Jimmy Iovine, I'm no longer surprise by any of this anymore. These days, being "socially-conscience" means nothing much like it should.

Oh, so in other words, you expect her to be perfect. Beyond perfect, even. No, she can't do a fun song every now and then or have more than one dimension beyond being socially conscious. Basically, she can't be human -- she's got to be some sort of social justice robot. Personally, I think this collab is great because it could raise MIA's stature and encourage a lot more people to check out her music. Not to mention the fact that both Madonna and Nicki Minaj could benefit from getting to know her. (Which I don't mean as a slam to either of them -- I like them both, but if anybody learns from anybody in this collaboration I hope it's Madge and Nicki learning from the lovely Ms. Maya Arulpragasam. )

co-sign.

I understand what you are saying Tony, but I agree with the fact that M.I.A. is multi dimensional she makes socially conscious music, but she has also always had a bollywood dance influence and recently embraced dubstep. At times she mixes all of that together with brilliant results. She's also talked about admiring both Madonna and Nicki before. Nicki even did a remix for her. I love that M.I.A. can ebrace many styles. It's why I'm a big fan. And just like her I think it's possible to be socially conscious but also fun loving at the same time.

Ageism.

See Cyndi, Cher and Donna. All produced great Dance/Pop music well into their 40s/50s.

maplesyrupnjam said:

A 53 year old woman making Dance/Pop records is patendly ridiculous...

Although I haven't listened to any of her stuff since 1985

Why is it ridiculous? Older men keep playing rock and roll even though it's considered young people's music and no one seems to have a problem with that. If you like a certain type of music, why can't you keep doing it as you get older? Why do your tastes in music have to change because of your age?

Nothing since 1985? You never heard a little song called Like A Prayer. Everyone loves to have Madonna, but I think secretly you all love her music but can't admit it.

What's a social conscience artist? I don't know what that even means. I'm not that familiar with MIA, but from what I've read she has some songs that are on political topics and some that aren't.

But I don't see why you can't have political views and also want to be successful and participate in the music industry. Unless she is a socialist or communist and has said she's against all profit making and private enterprise. Then I guess you could say she would be hypocritical for working with Nicki and Madonna.

Glindathegood said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

A 53 year old woman making Dance/Pop records is patendly ridiculous...

Although I haven't listened to any of her stuff since 1985

Why is it ridiculous? Older men keep playing rock and roll even though it's considered young people's music and no one seems to have a problem with that. If you like a certain type of music, why can't you keep doing it as you get older? Why do your tastes in music have to change because of your age?

Nothing since 1985? You never heard a little song called Like A Prayer. Everyone loves to have Madonna, but I think secretly you all love her music but can't admit it.

That must be it then . Seriously though i've never been a fan. Sure I've heard a couple of tunes on the radio over the years, but outside a couple of gems like Holiday and Burning Up, her stuff leaves me cold.

TonyVanDam said:

JustErin said:

Tony, you know NOTHING about MIA.

You totally FAILED to read the memo in my previous post:

Yes RKJCNE, you are right for calling me out on this because I have yet to hear any track from MIA's new album. But what I do know from her previous albums as well as from her previous interviews, her whole music career up to this point is that of a socially-conscience artist.

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In other words, I only know about the singles from MIA's pervious album.

Like I said, a true socially-conscience rap artist would have NEVER been on the same track with a rap artist that is the exact opposite of socially-conscious such as Nicki Minaj.

I stand by my words without compromise. If you don't understand my point Erin, then you never understand it at all. Period.

EDIT for spell check

[Edited 11/1/11 11:14am]

[Edited 11/1/11 12:08pm]

Aww...fuck it. Not worth it.

[Edited 11/1/11 12:51pm]

Glindathegood said:

What's a social conscience artist? I don't know what that even means. I'm not that familiar with MIA, but from what I've read she has some songs that are on political topics and some that aren't.

But I don't see why you can't have political views and also want to be successful and participate in the music industry. Unless she is a socialist or communist and has said she's against all profit making and private enterprise. Then I guess you could say she would be hypocritical for working with Nicki and Madonna.

I honestly don't get that either. But to each his own.

xLiberiangirl said:

omg! the lyrics leaked!

As a few (not always accurate) parts of the “Give Me All Your Love” lyrics have leaked, Madonnarama decided to finally reveal the complete lyrics of Madonna’s lead single.
According to our source, these aren’t from the final version, but from the demo version that only includes Madonna and the backing vocals.

Keep in mind that this is one of the fun, radio friendly tracks and absolutely perfect for the Super Bowl. The overall album contains much more deeper and personal lyrics.

L-U-V Madonna
Y-O-U You wanna
I see you coming and I don’t wanna know your name
L-U-V Madonna
I see you coming and you’re gonna have to change the game
Y-O-U You wanna
Would you like to try?
Give me a reason why
Give me all that you got
Maybe you’ll do fine
As long as you don’t lie to me
And pretend to be what you’re not

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

L-U-V Madonna
Y-O-U You wanna
Keep trying don’t give up, it’s if you want it bad enough
L-U-V Madonna
It’s right in front of you, now tell me what you’re thinking of
Y-O-U You wanna
In another place, at a different time
You can be my lucky star
We can drink some wine
Burgundy is fine
Let’s drink the bottle every drop

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

(Bridge)
You have all the L-U-V
I gave you everything you need
Now it’s up to Y-O-U
Are you the one, shall we proceed?
M-A-D Don’t make me
L-U-V It’s time for
Y-O-U It’s up to
L-U-V I want your

(Chorus)
Don’t play the stupid game
Cause I’m a different kind of girl
Every record sounds the same
You’ve got to step into my world
Give me all your love and give me your love
Give me all your love today
Give me all your love and give me your love
Let’s forget about time
And dance our lives away

Read more: http://www.madonnarama.co...z1cT8RtbxZ

this leaked clip contains the "in another place,at a different time,you can be my lucky star" part!

maplesyrupnjam said:

Glindathegood said:

Why is it ridiculous? Older men keep playing rock and roll even though it's considered young people's music and no one seems to have a problem with that. If you like a certain type of music, why can't you keep doing it as you get older? Why do your tastes in music have to change because of your age?

Nothing since 1985? You never heard a little song called Like A Prayer. Everyone loves to have Madonna, but I think secretly you all love her music but can't admit it.

That must be it then . Seriously though i've never been a fan. Sure I've heard a couple of tunes on the radio over the years, but outside a couple of gems like Holiday and Burning Up, her stuff leaves me cold.

If you're not a fan of hers, then why are you reading and responding to a thread devoted to her? You must have some interest in her music or you wouldn't be here. They're many other threads on this forum that you could be reading or posting in, but here you are in the Madonna thread who you claim not to be a fan of. And you know one of her more obscure songs Burning Up, that was never a big hit! Interesting.

Glindathegood said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

That must be it then . Seriously though i've never been a fan. Sure I've heard a couple of tunes on the radio over the years, but outside a couple of gems like Holiday and Burning Up, her stuff leaves me cold.

If you're not a fan of hers, then why are you reading and responding to a thread devoted to her? You must have some interest in her music or you wouldn't be here. They're many other threads on this forum that you could be reading or posting in, but here you are in the Madonna thread who you claim not to be a fan of. And you know one of her more obscure songs Burning Up, that was never a big hit! Interesting.

Im sorry my liege. I originally voiced an opinion on a public forum that a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records. I stand by that. You then said something along the lines, that we all secretely love her really. Well no, we don't.

You see, what you should have done there is ignore me. And I shouldn't have bothered voicing an opinion at all however heinous. My contrition is complete.

[Edited 11/1/11 15:20pm]

maplesyrupnjam said:

Glindathegood said:

If you're not a fan of hers, then why are you reading and responding to a thread devoted to her? You must have some interest in her music or you wouldn't be here. They're many other threads on this forum that you could be reading or posting in, but here you are in the Madonna thread who you claim not to be a fan of. And you know one of her more obscure songs Burning Up, that was never a big hit! Interesting.

Im sorry my liege. I originally voiced an opinion on a public forum that a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records. I stand by that. You then said something along the lines, that we all secretely love her really. Well no, we don't.

You see, what you should have done there is ignore me. And I shouldn't have bothered voicing an opinion at all however heinous. My contrition is complete.

[Edited 11/1/11 15:20pm]

Yes but you never explained why a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records? What's the cut-off age? And does this apply to 53 year old men too?

TheResistor said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

Im sorry my liege. I originally voiced an opinion on a public forum that a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records. I stand by that. You then said something along the lines, that we all secretely love her really. Well no, we don't.

You see, what you should have done there is ignore me. And I shouldn't have bothered voicing an opinion at all however heinous. My contrition is complete.

[Edited 11/1/11 15:20pm]

Yes but you never explained why a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records? What's the cut-off age? And does this apply to 53 year old men too?

Good Question. Yep, apply's to both sexes. I hated MPLSOUND and would be delighted if Prince never released anything like that ever again. But then again he has more strings to his bow,(Lotusflower), so his ability to suprise is still there.

I suppose a cut of should be sometime in the 30s for me. Just my opinion however.. In fairness to Madonna though, what other type of record is she going to make? Their's not that much scope for her really to put out something else is there? I'm not bashing her, Cher or whoever, but making dance songs at that age and marketing them to 16 year old kids seems really ridiculous to me.

maplesyrupnjam said:

TheResistor said:

Yes but you never explained why a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records? What's the cut-off age? And does this apply to 53 year old men too?

Good Question. Yep, apply's to both sexes. I hated MPLSOUND and would be delighted if Prince never released anything like that ever again. But then again he has more strings to his bow,(Lotusflower), so his ability to suprise is still there.

I suppose a cut of should be sometime in the 30s for me. Just my opinion however.. In fairness to Madonna though, what other type of record is she going to make? Their's not that much scope for her really to put out something else is there? I'm not bashing her, Cher or whoever, but making dance songs at that age and marketing them to 16 year old kids seems really ridiculous to me.

I see your point but I don't think Madonna is catering to the 16 year olds. The kids have already cast their vote with Rihanna and Gaga. I'm a 40 year old gay male that still loves the dance floor and Madonna has always been part of the soundtrack, I kind of expect dance pop from her. I have other artists that I go to for other types of music.

TheResistor said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

Good Question. Yep, apply's to both sexes. I hated MPLSOUND and would be delighted if Prince never released anything like that ever again. But then again he has more strings to his bow,(Lotusflower), so his ability to suprise is still there.

I suppose a cut of should be sometime in the 30s for me. Just my opinion however.. In fairness to Madonna though, what other type of record is she going to make? Their's not that much scope for her really to put out something else is there? I'm not bashing her, Cher or whoever, but making dance songs at that age and marketing them to 16 year old kids seems really ridiculous to me.

I see your point but I don't think Madonna is catering to the 16 year olds. The kids have already cast their vote with Rihanna and Gaga. I'm a 40 year old gay male that still loves the dance floor and Madonna has always been part of the soundtrack, I kind of expect dance pop from her. I have other artists that I go to for other types of music.

Fair point. I understand Madonna still has her hardcore fan's to cater for and that's fine. I think it's just a cultural blindspot i've always had. Good luck to her anyway, and enjoy the new album

maplesyrupnjam said:

TheResistor said:

Yes but you never explained why a 53 year old woman shouldn't be making dance/pop records? What's the cut-off age? And does this apply to 53 year old men too?

Good Question. Yep, apply's to both sexes. I hated MPLSOUND and would be delighted if Prince never released anything like that ever again. But then again he has more strings to his bow,(Lotusflower), so his ability to suprise is still there.

I suppose a cut of should be sometime in the 30s for me. Just my opinion however.. In fairness to Madonna though, what other type of record is she going to make? Their's not that much scope for her really to put out something else is there? I'm not bashing her, Cher or whoever, but making dance songs at that age and marketing them to 16 year old kids seems really ridiculous to me.

As long as there is an audience for Madonna and her dance/pop music,I don't see why she should stop.Contrary to what you may think,it's NOT 16-year old kids who are buying her records.Just because you reach a certain age,that doesn't mean you can't dance and have fun.

Evvy said:

jtfolden said:

I thought Madonna has always had that "look" to her face when she isn't trying to be skeletelly thin. I think she looks pretty natural here.

Its not natural for a 55 year old to look like a 20 year old but it SURE IS PURTY!!!!!

BEAUTIFUL!!

Hmm, I don't think she looks 20 there. On the other hand, my family ages well collectively so maybe I'm not a good judge. My grandfather didn't get grey hair until his 70's and my mother doesn't look too far removed from Madonna (as far as crows feet, wrinkles, etc...) and she hasn't had the benefit of million dollar treatments.