babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

TVOne...

Rather watch that than BET SMH

On another note the shake your body and heartbreak hotel remix sound flawless but I just rather download those two instead of the whole album the other remixes on the other songs didn't work for me.

Lesser of the two evils.

babybugz said:

bboy87 said:

TV One shows those two to the point of overkill. Cathy Hughes with her cheap ass

At least try to get the broadcast rights to Munich '97. Several countries in Europe and Asia have gotten the rights to air it, why not TV One or an American channel in general? Or Yokohama '87?

How about the 2003 TV special "The Essential Michael Jackson" that BBC aired?

I missed the vh1 michael marathons they used to play back in 01 -05 I used to rush home from school(when I was in high school at the time) to watch those There are many things they can show like you mention but they refuse to play them.

I REALLY miss 1999-2002 for that. I got so much footage off vh1 that made me love him even more though I was already a fan for years and had vhs tapes and CD's of his. Was in high school during this time too and he was always on my mind, and now it's too painful to revisit though I realize loving him was painful too.

I finally saw Prince and he is the best male artist I have seen in person that's living. My vote still goes to Michael, but Prince ROCKS anyway. He kept me on my feet, he's just so talented onstage and knows how to work a crowd and tease the hell out of us, and when he did Kiss with the routine at the end, I was screaming and nearly in tears, and loved his DSTYGE tribute

[Edited 11/26/11 0:06am]

what is this IMMORTAL album????

sounds interesting!!!

can anyone explain it to me?

It`s the soundtrack to the Cirque Du Soilel show. The remixes, mashups and remakes of the songs from the show have been released on CD.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah lol it was really an EP of seven actual MJ songs lol

Looking at the list that was on Michael's wall when he died, I replaced the Cascio tracks and the pre 2007 songs and replaced them with titles of songs that didn't make it

MICHAEL: What could have been

1. Hold My Hand (featuring Akon)

2. Hollywood Tonight

3. I Was The Loser

4. (I Like) the Way You Love Me

5. Bottom Of My Heart

6. Best of Joy

7. Adore You

8. Shut Up And Dance

9. Ghost Of Another Lover

10. Lady Of Summer

Deluxe edition Bonus Tracks

11. I Can't Make It Another Day

12. Behind The Mask

13. Much Too Soon

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looks better in my opinion

another song called " Breath" ......right ? below the song " adore you"

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DANGEROUS!!!

20 Years old today!

[Edited 11/26/11 10:08am]

carinemjj said:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DANGEROUS!!!

20 Years old today!

[Edited 11/26/11 10:08am]

wow! my favorite album of Jackson and one of my favorite albums in general. I love it forever.
I like every song on this album.

Paris retweeted Donte's

"i want to take a bath filled with #PurpleRain drops"

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JoeTyler said:

what is this IMMORTAL album????

sounds interesting!!!

can anyone explain it to me?

It's the new album that's co-released by The MJ Estate and Cirque du Soleil that coincides with Cirque's Immortal World Tour. It includes mashups and slightly new mixes of Michael's songs

here's the press release

EPIC RECORDS SET TO RELEASE IMMORTAL THE NEW
ALBUM FROM MICHAEL JACKSON ON NOVEMBER 21

A MUSIC TAPESTRY FOR THE CIRQUE DU SOLEIL SHOW
MICHAEL JACKSON THE IMMORTAL WORLD TOUR
KICKING OFF LAST NIGHT

EXPERIENCE IMMORTAL AT MICHAELJACKSON.COM

New York, NY – On November 21, Epic Records in conjunction with the Estate of Michael Jackson, will release IMMORTAL– the highly anticipated musical tapestry for Cirque du Soleil’s Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour. IMMORTAL will be released as both a deluxe double disc version and single disc.

Led by esteemed musical designer, Kevin Antunes (Justin Timberlake, Rihanna, Madonna) IMMORTAL takes a fresh, creative approach in redesigning and reimagining more than 40 of Michael Jackson’s greatest original recordings into a compilation that allows listeners to experience his music in an entirely new way. After spending a year in the studio working with Michael’s original multi-track master recordings, Kevin createdIMMORTAL which offers listeners a new soundscape to Michael’s artistry while preserving the power and familiarity of his unparalleled voice and his legendary tracks.

Kevin Antunes comments, “Michael's legacy as the greatest entertainer of our lifetime is inspiring beyond words. It was clear from the start that Michael's voice and overall musical essence was the sole/soul source of creative energy driving the project. From the studio to the stage, there's an undeniable integrity and resolute truth in Michael's vocal performances that are highlighted in the Immortal arrangements. It was built with love and respect for Michael's music, his family, and his millions of fans around the world.”

IMMORTAL is sure to touch the hearts of passionate Michael fans as the album unfolds his musical legacy with redesigned versions of his hits, electrifying mashups and newly discovered outtakes fans have never heard before including an alternate take on the Jackson 5’s “ABC” and a choir that Michael recorded for “They Don’t Really Care About Us.”

To pre-order IMMORTAL, and view footage from Michael Jackson The IMMORTAL World Tour please visit www.MichaelJackson.com.

The North American leg of Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour kicked off last night in Montreal, and will include an extended stay in Las Vegas in December. The epic show, which was written and directed by Jamie King - the leading concert director in pop music today –, is a riveting fusion of Michael Jackson music, choreography and Cirque du Soleil creativity that offers fans worldwide a unique view into the spirit, passion and heart of the artistic genius who forever transformed global pop culture.

Deluxe Disc 1:
1. Workin’ Day And Night (Immortal Version)
2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version)
3. Childhood (Immortal Version)
4. Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ (Immortal Version)
5. Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) (Immortal Version)
6. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version)
7. Ben (Immortal Version)
8. This Place Hotel (Immortal Version)
9. Smooth Criminal (Immortal Version)
10. Dangerous (Immortal Version)
11. The Mime Segment: (I Like) The Way You Love Me/Speed Demon/Another Part Of Me (Immortal Version)
12. The Jackson 5 Medley (Immortal Version)
13. Speechless/Human Nature (Immortal Version)
14. Is It Scary/Threatened (Immortal Version)
15. Thriller (Immortal Version)

Deluxe Disc 2:
1. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version)
2. Beat It/State Of Shock (Immortal Version)
3. Jam (Immortal Version)
4. Planet Earth/Earth Song (Immortal Version)
5. Scream/Little Susie (Immortal Version)
6. Gone Too Soon (Immortal Version)
7. They Don't Care About Us (Immortal Version)
8. Will You Be There (Immortal Version)
9. I’ll Be There (Immortal Version)
10. Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop ‘Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version)
11. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version)
12. Remember The Time/Bad (Immortal Version)

IMMORTAL SINGLE ALBUM TRACKLISTING:

1. Workin’ Day And Night (Immortal Version)
2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version)
3. Childhood (Immortal Version)
4. Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ (Immortal Version)
5. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version)
6. This Place Hotel (Immortal Version)
7. Smooth Criminal (Immortal Version)
8. Dangerous (Immortal Version)
9. The Jackson 5 Medley (Immortal Version)
10. Speechless/Human Nature (Immortal Version)
11. Is It Scary/Threatened (Immortal Version)
12. Thriller (Immortal Version)
13. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version)
14. Beat It/State Of Shock (Immortal Version)
15. Jam (Immortal Version)
16. Planet Earth/Earth Song (Immortal Version)
17. They Don't Care About Us (Immortal Version)
18. I’ll Be There (Immortal Version)
19. Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop ‘Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version)
20. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version

dag said:

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Michael mentioned back in 1984 during his Chicago Deposition that Paul had a whole film crew in the studio when they recorded their 3 records together. I wonder if Paul will ever release it.

[Edited 11/26/11 12:40pm]

I'm watching this now and I must say that this is one of the best worst documentaries on Michael's life. Cringes me! David Guest

[Edited 11/26/11 17:04pm]

I had to do a summary of a medical literature article for school, and I came across an article, pulbished in the British Journal of Dermatology about a potential effective treatment for vitiligo that does not include lightening creams. Rather, this is a chance to improve repigmentation, and potentially reversing the effects of the disease.

This is the study, their findings, and potential implications. This study was published in 2010.

November 26, 2011

Full article found on IDIS

Skin diseases are a very fascinating field of research, particularly vitiligo, a disease made famous by the late King Of Pop, Michael Jackson. Vitiligo is a chronic skin disorder in which melanocytes in the epidermis are systematically destroyed or rendered non-functional(the cause of which is still a mystery, although it is believed to have a genetic correlation), leaving the sufferer with a very white, almost albino patches all over their body, mostly concentrated around the eyes, mouth and hands. It can lead to a lot of psychological issues and potential problems with self-esteem, especially if the patient with vitiligo is of darker skin (i.e African American). There is currently not cure for the disease, but according to Bakis-Petsoglou, S., et al’s A randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled trial of pseudocatalase cream and narrowband ultraviolet B in the treatment of vitiligo, there might be hope for future patients. As the title suggests, a twenty-four week, double blind, placebo-controlled study was conducted to potentially discover if pseudocatalase cream and narrow-banded ultraviolet B (NB UVB) could repigment the skin of vitiligo sufferers.

Healthy patients of both genders who attended vitiligo clinics in Darlinghurst, Sydney, Australia were recruited for this study. They were older than 18 years of age, and had active cases of the disorder on the back of their hands and on their face. Another criteria included was that no adverse reactions were to be reported when the cream was applied to the backs of their hands twenty-four hours after application. Pregnant women, immunosupressed patients, and any patient who were taking tetracycline antibiotics or beta blockers were not included in this study to prevent any mixing of results.

The pseudocatalase cream and the placebo were assigned to the patients randomly. A thin layer of the cream was applied to the patient’s entire body two times a day for twenty-four weeks. Each patient also received NBUVB therapy within 10-30 minutes after application, three times a week. Minimal Erythemal Doses (or MED’s) were calculated for each patient before the therapy began. Depending on patient tolerance, each patient was given 150 mJ cm-2 (or 100% of MED). Each group of patients had varying increments of the cream’s doses. No group or patient exceeded 300 mJ cm-2. Cards were provided to the patients to keep track of their therapy (both application and NB UVB therapy). All adverse effects were documented by the researchers as well was how often these complications occurred.

Within group analysis, there was a statistically significant percentage repigmentation of the facial area (greater area improvement), and not so on the back of their hands. Photographic data indicated improvement during therapy that began in week two and continued until the end of the experiment. The patients themselves reported an improvement in repigmentation of their faces (with very few reporting actual improvements on their hands and arms). In total however, the study has demonstrated that NB-UVB treatment alone is somewhat successful in treating vitiligo. Pseudocatalase cream does not seem to help when combined with NB-UVB. Limitations of the study include small sample size, and the fact that the backs of hands and feet are known to be poor responders to treatment in general.

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Can you all say...hope? I'm handing this in on Monday...

On a personal note, I want to say...thank you Michael. You have shown us and the world all that we are more than our skin colour. God bless and keep you. All of my love.

silverchild said:

I'm watching this now and I must say that this is one of the best worst documentaries on Michael's life. Cringes me! David Guest

[Edited 11/26/11 17:04pm]

Is that the one the family was a part of recently?

The family couldn't even do a decent documentary ...

alphastreet said:

babybugz said:

I missed the vh1 michael marathons they used to play back in 01 -05 I used to rush home from school(when I was in high school at the time) to watch those There are many things they can show like you mention but they refuse to play them.

I REALLY miss 1999-2002 for that. I got so much footage off vh1 that made me love him even more though I was already a fan for years and had vhs tapes and CD's of his. Was in high school during this time too and he was always on my mind, and now it's too painful to revisit though I realize loving him was painful too.

I finally saw Prince and he is the best male artist I have seen in person that's living. My vote still goes to Michael, but Prince ROCKS anyway. He kept me on my feet, he's just so talented onstage and knows how to work a crowd and tease the hell out of us, and when he did Kiss with the routine at the end, I was screaming and nearly in tears, and loved his DSTYGE tribute

[Edited 11/26/11 0:06am]

I see Prince every chance I get. Paying tribute to MJ would be interesting to see. What's he doing in DSTYGE? Singing the lyrics or all instumental?

babybugz said:

The family couldn't even do a decent documentary ...

They couldn't agree to do a more tasteful one. And it's not even the family that cringes me. This is more of a memorial film on MJ done in the favor of David Guest with testimonials from people who knew him. I began asking myself too many times....are they trying to tell MJ's story or someone else's story? Just not a good documentary. I want my 2 hours back.

kellistarr120 said:

alphastreet said:

I REALLY miss 1999-2002 for that. I got so much footage off vh1 that made me love him even more though I was already a fan for years and had vhs tapes and CD's of his. Was in high school during this time too and he was always on my mind, and now it's too painful to revisit though I realize loving him was painful too.

I finally saw Prince and he is the best male artist I have seen in person that's living. My vote still goes to Michael, but Prince ROCKS anyway. He kept me on my feet, he's just so talented onstage and knows how to work a crowd and tease the hell out of us, and when he did Kiss with the routine at the end, I was screaming and nearly in tears, and loved his DSTYGE tribute

[Edited 11/26/11 0:06am]

I see Prince every chance I get. Paying tribute to MJ would be interesting to see. What's he doing in DSTYGE? Singing the lyrics or all instumental?

Prince doesn't sing the lyrics--he provides instrumental support for the MJ song.

silverchild said:

babybugz said:

The family couldn't even do a decent documentary ...

They couldn't agree to do a more tasteful one. And it's not even the family that cringes me. This is more of a memorial film on MJ done in the favor of David Guest with testimonials from people who knew him. I began asking myself too many times....are they trying to tell MJ's story or someone else's story? Just not a good documentary. I want my 2 hours back.

How many times can he or J. Randy say "Well, Michael told me...." or "After that I called Michael and he said..."

Did Michael talk to these dudes after every moment in his life? "Ooh I just took a huge dump! Lemme call David!", "Lisa Marie finally let me hit! Lemme call J. Randy!"

I said this on here and KOP

Frank Cascio made me uncomfortable. Like he stole car radios and sold crack as a hobby. Dude honestly looks like he owns a unmarked van by the river

He REALLY did. After watching, I felt the urge to take a hot shower to wash the sleaze off

I like how Tito, Rebbie, and Katherine were all like "Joe wasn't that bad....." then cut to Bobby Taylor saying with a straight cold face, "JOE WAS A TYRANT. HE WAS MEAN, AND VIOLENT....."

Parts of it definitely made my face scrunch up (Destiny getting a 2 second mention for one)

bboy87 said:

silverchild said:

How many times can he or J. Randy say "Well, Michael told me...." or "After that I called Michael and he said..."

Did Michael talk to these dudes after every moment in his life? "Ooh I just took a huge dump! Lemme call David!", "Lisa Marie finally let me hit! Lemme call J. Randy!"

I said this on here and KOP

Frank Cascio made me uncomfortable. Like he stole car radios and sold crack as a hobby. Dude honestly looks like he owns a unmarked van by the river

He REALLY did. After watching, I felt the urge to take a hot shower to wash the sleaze off

I like how Tito, Rebbie, and Katherine were all like "Joe wasn't that bad....." then cut to Bobby Taylor saying with a straight cold face, "JOE WAS A TYRANT. HE WAS MEAN, AND VIOLENT....."

Parts of it definitely made my face scrunch up (Destiny getting a 2 second mention for one)

I seriously want Bobby to do a YouTube video and finally tell those that don't know about the real Jackson 5 and how he got them to Motown...

bboy87 said:

I like how Tito, Rebbie, and Katherine were all like "Joe wasn't that bad....." then cut to Bobby Taylor saying with a straight cold face, "JOE WAS A TYRANT. HE WAS MEAN, AND VIOLENT....."

Parts of it definitely made my face scrunch up (Destiny getting a 2 second mention for one)

Well obviously Mike was not the only Jackson that was in denial for some of his problems, like the Jacksons have mentioned over the time (interventions and shit) It runs in the family apparently . I guess Tito and Rebbie didn't get the "belt of love" that the other kids and especially Mike and Randy (??) got from Papa Joe and that's why they claim that Joe wasn't that bad? Funny because it's too easy for them to say Mike was this and that and lay out all his problems but when it comes to their faults and mistakes, they really do a fantastic work in brashing everything aside and hiding their head in the sand.

Joe WAS that bad and some of the problems that Mike had later ιn his life were due to his attidute towards him.Negating that is like negating one of the reasons that let to their brothers premature death.

bboy87 said:

JoeTyler said:

what is this IMMORTAL album????

sounds interesting!!!

can anyone explain it to me?

It's the new album that's co-released by The MJ Estate and Cirque du Soleil that coincides with Cirque's Immortal World Tour. It includes mashups and slightly new mixes of Michael's songs

here's the press release

EPIC RECORDS SET TO RELEASE IMMORTAL THE NEW
ALBUM FROM MICHAEL JACKSON ON NOVEMBER 21

A MUSIC TAPESTRY FOR THE CIRQUE DU SOLEIL SHOW
MICHAEL JACKSON THE IMMORTAL WORLD TOUR
KICKING OFF LAST NIGHT

EXPERIENCE IMMORTAL AT MICHAELJACKSON.COM

New York, NY – On November 21, Epic Records in conjunction with the Estate of Michael Jackson, will release IMMORTAL– the highly anticipated musical tapestry for Cirque du Soleil’s Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour. IMMORTAL will be released as both a deluxe double disc version and single disc.

Led by esteemed musical designer, Kevin Antunes (Justin Timberlake, Rihanna, Madonna) IMMORTAL takes a fresh, creative approach in redesigning and reimagining more than 40 of Michael Jackson’s greatest original recordings into a compilation that allows listeners to experience his music in an entirely new way. After spending a year in the studio working with Michael’s original multi-track master recordings, Kevin createdIMMORTAL which offers listeners a new soundscape to Michael’s artistry while preserving the power and familiarity of his unparalleled voice and his legendary tracks.

Kevin Antunes comments, “Michael's legacy as the greatest entertainer of our lifetime is inspiring beyond words. It was clear from the start that Michael's voice and overall musical essence was the sole/soul source of creative energy driving the project. From the studio to the stage, there's an undeniable integrity and resolute truth in Michael's vocal performances that are highlighted in the Immortal arrangements. It was built with love and respect for Michael's music, his family, and his millions of fans around the world.”

IMMORTAL is sure to touch the hearts of passionate Michael fans as the album unfolds his musical legacy with redesigned versions of his hits, electrifying mashups and newly discovered outtakes fans have never heard before including an alternate take on the Jackson 5’s “ABC” and a choir that Michael recorded for “They Don’t Really Care About Us.”

To pre-order IMMORTAL, and view footage from Michael Jackson The IMMORTAL World Tour please visit www.MichaelJackson.com.

The North American leg of Michael Jackson THE IMMORTAL World Tour kicked off last night in Montreal, and will include an extended stay in Las Vegas in December. The epic show, which was written and directed by Jamie King - the leading concert director in pop music today –, is a riveting fusion of Michael Jackson music, choreography and Cirque du Soleil creativity that offers fans worldwide a unique view into the spirit, passion and heart of the artistic genius who forever transformed global pop culture.

Deluxe Disc 1:
1. Workin’ Day And Night (Immortal Version)
2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version)
3. Childhood (Immortal Version)
4. Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ (Immortal Version)
5. Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) (Immortal Version)
6. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version)
7. Ben (Immortal Version)
8. This Place Hotel (Immortal Version)
9. Smooth Criminal (Immortal Version)
10. Dangerous (Immortal Version)
11. The Mime Segment: (I Like) The Way You Love Me/Speed Demon/Another Part Of Me (Immortal Version)
12. The Jackson 5 Medley (Immortal Version)
13. Speechless/Human Nature (Immortal Version)
14. Is It Scary/Threatened (Immortal Version)
15. Thriller (Immortal Version)

Deluxe Disc 2:
1. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version)
2. Beat It/State Of Shock (Immortal Version)
3. Jam (Immortal Version)
4. Planet Earth/Earth Song (Immortal Version)
5. Scream/Little Susie (Immortal Version)
6. Gone Too Soon (Immortal Version)
7. They Don't Care About Us (Immortal Version)
8. Will You Be There (Immortal Version)
9. I’ll Be There (Immortal Version)
10. Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop ‘Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version)
11. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version)
12. Remember The Time/Bad (Immortal Version)

IMMORTAL SINGLE ALBUM TRACKLISTING:

1. Workin’ Day And Night (Immortal Version)
2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version)
3. Childhood (Immortal Version)
4. Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ (Immortal Version)
5. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version)
6. This Place Hotel (Immortal Version)
7. Smooth Criminal (Immortal Version)
8. Dangerous (Immortal Version)
9. The Jackson 5 Medley (Immortal Version)
10. Speechless/Human Nature (Immortal Version)
11. Is It Scary/Threatened (Immortal Version)
12. Thriller (Immortal Version)
13. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version)
14. Beat It/State Of Shock (Immortal Version)
15. Jam (Immortal Version)
16. Planet Earth/Earth Song (Immortal Version)
17. They Don't Care About Us (Immortal Version)
18. I’ll Be There (Immortal Version)
19. Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop ‘Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version)
20. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version

i'll check it out! thanks

crazymouse said:

bboy87 said:

Well obviously Mike was not the only Jackson that was in denial for some of his problems, like the Jacksons have mentioned over the time (interventions and shit) It runs in the family apparently . I guess Tito and Rebbie didn't get the "belt of love" that the other kids and especially Mike and Randy (??) got from Papa Joe and that's why they claim that Joe wasn't that bad? Funny because it's too easy for them to say Mike was this and that and lay out all his problems but when it comes to their faults and mistakes, they really do a fantastic work in brashing everything aside and hiding their head in the sand.

Joe WAS that bad and some of the problems that Mike had later ιn his life were due to his attidute towards him.Negating that is like negating one of the reasons that let to their brothers premature death.

I'm not gonna get into those "interventions" because honestly, it's neither here or there but you're right about them brushing off Joe's actions towards his kids. I think it's because Katherine and the daughters didn't see the side of Joe that Michael, Marlon, and the other brothers saw. From what's been said, Jackie, Marlon, and Michael got the worse brunt of Joe's wrath

bboy87 said:

crazymouse said:

Well obviously Mike was not the only Jackson that was in denial for some of his problems, like the Jacksons have mentioned over the time (interventions and shit) It runs in the family apparently . I guess Tito and Rebbie didn't get the "belt of love" that the other kids and especially Mike and Randy (??) got from Papa Joe and that's why they claim that Joe wasn't that bad? Funny because it's too easy for them to say Mike was this and that and lay out all his problems but when it comes to their faults and mistakes, they really do a fantastic work in brashing everything aside and hiding their head in the sand.

Joe WAS that bad and some of the problems that Mike had later ιn his life were due to his attidute towards him.Negating that is like negating one of the reasons that let to their brothers premature death.

I'm not gonna get into those "interventions" because honestly, it's neither here or there but you're right about them brushing off Joe's actions towards his kids. I think it's because Katherine and the daughters didn't see the side of Joe that Michael, Marlon, and the other brothers saw. From what's been said, Jackie, Marlon, and Michael got the worse brunt of Joe's wrath

They all have selective memory

bboy87 said:

crazymouse said:

Well obviously Mike was not the only Jackson that was in denial for some of his problems, like the Jacksons have mentioned over the time (interventions and shit) It runs in the family apparently . I guess Tito and Rebbie didn't get the "belt of love" that the other kids and especially Mike and Randy (??) got from Papa Joe and that's why they claim that Joe wasn't that bad? Funny because it's too easy for them to say Mike was this and that and lay out all his problems but when it comes to their faults and mistakes, they really do a fantastic work in brashing everything aside and hiding their head in the sand.

Joe WAS that bad and some of the problems that Mike had later ιn his life were due to his attidute towards him.Negating that is like negating one of the reasons that let to their brothers premature death.

I'm not gonna get into those "interventions" because honestly, it's neither here or there but you're right about them brushing off Joe's actions towards his kids. I think it's because Katherine and the daughters didn't see the side of Joe that Michael, Marlon, and the other brothers saw. From what's been said, Jackie, Marlon, and Michael got the worse brunt of Joe's wrath

Add Randy. I heard he and dude got into it during the 1993 Halloween party. I think Joe got along mostly with Tito and Jermaine. It makes sense when you think about it.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

I'm not gonna get into those "interventions" because honestly, it's neither here or there but you're right about them brushing off Joe's actions towards his kids. I think it's because Katherine and the daughters didn't see the side of Joe that Michael, Marlon, and the other brothers saw. From what's been said, Jackie, Marlon, and Michael got the worse brunt of Joe's wrath

Add Randy. I heard he and dude got into it during the 1993 Halloween party. I think Joe got along mostly with Tito and Jermaine. It makes sense when you think about it.

I think Joe had his favorities on who would get his wrath.

JoeTyler said:

bboy87 said:

i'll check it out! thanks

The deluxe 2 disc edition is worth getting - some amazing added moments you just don't get in the single disc.

A previously unseen Michael Jackson documentary has failed to sell at a London auction.

The film, which features footage of the singer's 'Dangerous' world tour in 1993 filmed in Argentina, was expected to fetch £4 million last night (November 26).

But a spokesman for the Fame Bureau auctioneers said:

At this stage it has not sold. We are still talking to people, but online it did not sell.

The auction house said it had been forced to remove a brief clip of the video from its website before the online auction after Jackson's record label made a "copyright claim", reports Reuters.

The fact that a successful buyer may not be able to use the film for commercial purposes may have dampened demand given the hefty asking price, but the spokesman played down the copyright dispute.

Jackson gave a VHS copy of the scrapped film to his chauffeur, who wished to remain anonymous. The King Of Pop was said to be unhappy with the finished documentary, which is why it was never released, and he also sacked the crew who worked on it.

The driver said he had been given the tape as "a reward or a bonus" for his "transportation services" and leaked a very short clip of the film online in 2009 after Jackson's death, but was stopped by the singer's record label and lawyers who claimed exclusive rights to the film.

However, although he is forbidden by US law from distributing copies, he does have the right to sell or transfer the VHS to third parties.

Since his death in 2009, there has been a slew of Jackson-related memorabilia sold at auction houses. In June of this year, the jacket that the singer wo...or auction, along with his famous white glove and a fedora he wore onstage.

Earlier this month, meanwhile, a pair of silk pyjamas and ... were sold in Ireland (November 8).

crazymouse said:

bboy87 said:

Well obviously Mike was not the only Jackson that was in denial for some of his problems, like the Jacksons have mentioned over the time (interventions and shit) It runs in the family apparently . I guess Tito and Rebbie didn't get the "belt of love" that the other kids and especially Mike and Randy (??) got from Papa Joe and that's why they claim that Joe wasn't that bad? Funny because it's too easy for them to say Mike was this and that and lay out all his problems but when it comes to their faults and mistakes, they really do a fantastic work in brashing everything aside and hiding their head in the sand.

Joe WAS that bad and some of the problems that Mike had later ιn his life were due to his attidute towards him.Negating that is like negating one of the reasons that let to their brothers premature death.

Very well said!

I think some of them know this. They just say alot of bullshit to cover up for Joe because they know he has a bad image... Michael has not been the only one to speak harsh on Joes parenting... and pretending like that had no affect on Michael as an adult is very delusional.. I wonder if Joe even cares or cared... smh.. sad

Swa said:

JoeTyler said:

i'll check it out! thanks

The deluxe 2 disc edition is worth getting - some amazing added moments you just don't get in the single disc.

That's the version I bought.

Some news....it debuted at #65 on the UK chart and fans are blaming Sony and The MJ Estate again