I saw a little bit of the trial yesterday. The nurse testified, but it seemed to work well for both the defense and prosecution. I remembered this nurse. She was the black nurse that denied MJ propofol. I don't know if it's true, but word is out he's been taking propofol, since his "Bad Tour". They claimed he needed something to bring him 'down' after a concert.

NaughtyKitty said:

I read somewhere that as Latoya was walking into court today she said to a reporter something like, "This is all an illusion. People should watch The Illusionist" (movie) and read between the lines..." What do you suppose she meant by that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...2006_film)

It is a joke.

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lazycrockett said:

^Everytime I tune in all I see is the Great Seal of California and a bunch of idiots screaming at each other. That would be the HLN channel. I swear they mean to cut to a commercial everytime a important question is brought up.

yeah that's why i'm watching a live stream more and only watch hln when it's a sidebar lol

Saw some of the trial today. I had to smile at the character witnesses. And Conrad Murray crying.

I'm sure hearing some kind words, finally, just brought him to tears. I think the prosecution showed that those kindly citizens probably did receive great care in the way it should have been given, however, for Michael it was a whole other situation.

And what was that crap Latoya was spouting? I'm about through with the whole conspiracy theory.

But do I think MJ was getting pressure from Randy Phillips? I do. Because if he was coming in there trippin' off something, not being able to get through rehearsals, why wouldn't there be pressure?

I hope this trial is a wrap by Friday or Monday.

kellistarr120 said:

Saw some of the trial today. I had to smile at the character witnesses. And Conrad Murray crying.

I'm sure hearing some kind words, finally, just brought him to tears. I think the prosecution showed that those kindly citizens probably did receive great care in the way it should have been given, however, for Michael it was a whole other situation.

And what was that crap Latoya was spouting? I'm about through with the whole conspiracy theory.

But do I think MJ was getting pressure from Randy Phillips? I do. Because if he was coming in there trippin' off something, not being able to get through rehearsals, why wouldn't there be pressure?

I hope this trial is a wrap by Friday or Monday.

I was kinda wondering what was he doing on the stand.

Addiction medicine expert is on the stand now.

They're obviously going for demerol addiction. I wonder how they are gonna prove that Mike was actually addicted.

[Edited 10/27/11 9:06am]

Murray has just smile at a joke. He's obviously comfortable today.

kellistarr120 said:

Saw some of the trial today. I had to smile at the character witnesses. And Conrad Murray crying.

I'm sure hearing some kind words, finally, just brought him to tears. I think the prosecution showed that those kindly citizens probably did receive great care in the way it should have been given, however, for Michael it was a whole other situation.

And what was that crap Latoya was spouting? I'm about through with the whole conspiracy theory.

But do I think MJ was getting pressure from Randy Phillips? I do. Because if he was coming in there trippin' off something, not being able to get through rehearsals, why wouldn't there be pressure?

I hope this trial is a wrap by Friday or Monday.

They just spoke about addictions in general, then they went into Demerol addiction and the symptoms of withdrawal. Some symptoms mentioned are the same as side effects of Propofol. How can they prove that what those symptoms were caused by?
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/...fects.html

The defence has presented incorrect tables.

Walgren is doing excellent job!

OMG, the defence's witness is not responding in cross examination. You gotta see this!!!

Uh, so there's a doctor's chart showing the dates in June when MJ supposedly took Demorol?! Where did this come from? Didn't tests rule out the use of Demorol at the time of death? I've missed too much of the tral. Can anyone clarify?

dag said:

OMG, the defence's witness is not responding in cross examination. You gotta see this!!!

i've been watching that too,

purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, so there's a doctor's chart showing the dates in June when MJ supposedly took Demorol?! Where did this come from? Didn't tests rule out the use of Demorol at the time of death? I've missed too much of the tral. Can anyone clarify?

Klein's records and they showed a chart of MJ's alleged visits to his office where he was supposed to have been given Demerol and in that chart several dates were added.

I think its total BS that the Judge gave Klein a pass and not let the defense put him on the stand. I think Klein knows a helluva lot more bout what MJ's condition was during the last months.

lazycrockett said:

I think its total BS that the Judge gave Klein a pass and not let the defense put him on the stand. I think Klein knows a helluva lot more bout what MJ's condition was during the last months.

Yes! I agree that Klein has a lot to answer, but this trial is about Murray, not Klein!

Flanagan is going to examin dr. White. I expect that it is gonna be fun as usual.

[Edited 10/27/11 14:06pm]

Okay! Now is the kick off for the guy who's supposed to save Murray's ass. Dr. White!

Yeah, can't wait for cross exam. That's gonna be a lot of fun.

PatrickS77 said:

lazycrockett said:

I think its total BS that the Judge gave Klein a pass and not let the defense put him on the stand. I think Klein knows a helluva lot more bout what MJ's condition was during the last months.

Yes! I agree that Klein has a lot to answer, but this trial is about Murray, not Klein!

this is exactly why the judge did not allow klein in, only his recent records, in a "solomonic" split the baby ruling.

under the federal rules of evidence and the california evidence code, a judge can limit or exclude irrelevant or prejudicial evidence that is not probative to the issue at hand, and he can exclude evidence that can confuse the issues or may confuse the jury.

klein is a p.o.s., there's absolutely no denying that, but there was no demoral found in mj's system at death. his medical records show, and as was pointed out on cross, mj had not been to see klein in the lead up to the concerts as often as the tabloid press would have people believe. there was no demoral found at mj's house. as i've said before, what kind of junkie doesn't have his own stash?

i can see the def making this addiction argument if there had been demoral found in mj or at his house. i can see them making the argument if there had been some documented, recent proof that mj was an addict; citing the 1994 incident from 15 years earlier or public hearsay doesn't count. i can see the def making this argument if murray wasn't ALSO giving mj highly addictive drugs on a nightly basis for nearly two months.

klein was investigated and cleared, end of, so the judge was right to not allow murray to make him the fall guy.

They are trying to figure out if he had an addiction?

What?

Michael's answer:

"Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
You're doin' morphine" MJ

Case Closed...----

RosesRred said:

They are trying to figure out if he had an addiction?

What?

Michael's answer:

"Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
You're doin' morphine" MJ

Case Closed...----

You're aware that this is a song? From almost 20 years ago! The case is closed that you're a fool! That song was written during or shortly after his addiction to painkillers back in '93/'94. It has nothing to do with what happened in 2009!

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kibbles said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes! I agree that Klein has a lot to answer, but this trial is about Murray, not Klein!

this is exactly why the judge did not allow klein in, only his recent records, in a "solomonic" split the baby ruling.

under the federal rules of evidence and the california evidence code, a judge can limit or exclude irrelevant or prejudicial evidence that is not probative to the issue at hand, and he can exclude evidence that can confuse the issues or may confuse the jury.

klein is a p.o.s., there's absolutely no denying that, but there was no demoral found in mj's system at death. his medical records show, and as was pointed out on cross, mj had not been to see klein in the lead up to the concerts as often as the tabloid press would have people believe. there was no demoral found at mj's house. as i've said before, what kind of junkie doesn't have his own stash?

i can see the def making this addiction argument if there had been demoral found in mj or at his house. i can see them making the argument if there had been some documented, recent proof that mj was an addict; citing the 1994 incident from 15 years earlier or public hearsay doesn't count. i can see the def making this argument if murray wasn't ALSO giving mj highly addictive drugs on a nightly basis for nearly two months.

klein was investigated and cleared, end of, so the judge was right to not allow murray to make him the fall guy.

Kibbles, do you know why AEG Randy Phillips was called to the stand? What was the revelance in that?

angel345 said:

kibbles said:

this is exactly why the judge did not allow klein in, only his recent records, in a "solomonic" split the baby ruling.

under the federal rules of evidence and the california evidence code, a judge can limit or exclude irrelevant or prejudicial evidence that is not probative to the issue at hand, and he can exclude evidence that can confuse the issues or may confuse the jury.

klein is a p.o.s., there's absolutely no denying that, but there was no demoral found in mj's system at death. his medical records show, and as was pointed out on cross, mj had not been to see klein in the lead up to the concerts as often as the tabloid press would have people believe. there was no demoral found at mj's house. as i've said before, what kind of junkie doesn't have his own stash?

i can see the def making this addiction argument if there had been demoral found in mj or at his house. i can see them making the argument if there had been some documented, recent proof that mj was an addict; citing the 1994 incident from 15 years earlier or public hearsay doesn't count. i can see the def making this argument if murray wasn't ALSO giving mj highly addictive drugs on a nightly basis for nearly two months.

klein was investigated and cleared, end of, so the judge was right to not allow murray to make him the fall guy.

Kibbles, do you know why AEG Randy Phillips was called to the stand? What was the revelance in that?

angle, don't worry. None of the defence witnesses was relevant so far.

PatrickS77 said:

RosesRred said:

They are trying to figure out if he had an addiction?

What?

Michael's answer:

"Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
You're doin' morphine" MJ

Case Closed...----

You're aware that this is a song? From almost 20 years ago! The case is closed that you're a fool! That song was written during or shortly after his addiction to painkillers back in '93/'94. It has nothing to do with what happened in 2009!

[Edited 10/27/11 14:26pm]

Doctor Klein would disagree with you .

"He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as much."--MJ

^^So what? Quoting songs won't convince anyone of anything! And Klein would say, that he wasn't addicted. Even the expert on the stand today couldn't say whether he was addicted.

[Edited 10/27/11 14:36pm]

RosesRred said:

PatrickS77 said:

You're aware that this is a song? From almost 20 years ago! The case is closed that you're a fool! That song was written during or shortly after his addiction to painkillers back in '93/'94. It has nothing to do with what happened in 2009!

[Edited 10/27/11 14:26pm]

Doctor Klein would disagree with you .

"He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as much."--MJ

So you think that this is a statement from someone who was still addicted? We all know he underwent a treatment for his addiction back then. It looks to me as him reflecting on the experience.

It's so annoying when the sound drops out right in middle of the live feed.