Did I really hear Flanagan say "I'm done." Done with an expert after 5 minutes without getting any expert opinion?

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I think there should be a law saying that with every pointless examination and any pointless calling upon witnesses should increase the defendant's punishment.

^^Dude would go to jail for the rest of his life then!

well yeah, than you can quarantee that dude won't force his lawyers to waste the time like that and plead guilty right away. What have we, the jurors and everyone involved done to listen to this BS for so long?

i stated on the previous thread that when the def got started, we'd see they have nothing.

i was wrong.

they have less than nothing.

as a recently certified paralegal in california, i know there are rules for who can testify as an expert witness. you can argue that the def shoud have known what randy and nurse lee were going to say today, but there really is no excuse for these attorneys not having their shit together with respect to their 'favorably' witnesses.

on another note, this thread is awfully slow. why is that?

kibbles said:

i stated on the previous thread that when the def got started, we'd see they have nothing.

i was wrong.

they have less than nothing.

as a recently certified paralegal in california, i know there are rules for who can testify as an expert witness. you can argue that the def shoud have known what randy and nurse lee were going to say today, but there really is no excuse for these attorneys not having their shit together with respect to their 'favorably' witnesses.

on another note, this thread is awfully slow. why is that?

I'm almost thinking that the defence strategy is to appear so incredibly incompetent that the jury feel sorry for Murray and assume he's a victim of his hired counsel.

It's ridiculous how they're coming up with all these possible theories as to how MJ could have killed himself as a desperate attempt to find something that could stick. Reminds me of the prosecution in the 2005 MJ trial - throwing everything at the court hoping that one thing could be believable, only the facts get in the way and that's how they came up with those hilarious conspiracy charges.

I think Conrad Murray will be found not guilty.

The trial is a ****** joke. His "death" is being used to make mone.

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suga10 said:

I think Conrad Murray will be found not guilty.

I know Conrad will have security, but if he's found Not Guilty, I'm almost hoping a riot breaks out or something :*( I don't really wish that cause I don't want fans to get into trouble or anything like that, but it's injustice.

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I will say that thus far the defense ain't bring anything to the trial from what I can tell. They seem to be going to put everything on the other propofel expert doctor's testimony. If they want reasonable doubt they are really going to have to find a way to make it look plausible, thus far they arent.

If this is all the defense has, then why a plea bargin wasn't somewhere in the mix is beyond me.

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Even Raymone Bain sees through this bullshit. I guess if there is a way out where he doesn't lose his license, pleading not guilty is the only way out, though it is a VERY BIG gamble at the same time, cause the more I'm hearing, the more he's bumping his head on a wall trying to get out of this mess and failing.

alphastreet said:

I know Conrad will have security, but if he's found Not Guilty, I'm almost hoping a riot breaks out or something :*( I don't really wish that cause I don't want fans to get into trouble or anything like that, but it's injustice.

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Whatever happens no one is going to be rioting in the streets over this. From what Ive seen the people outside the courthouse has dwindled bout as much at the media attention towards the trial itself. Its really not that relevant anymore.

Throw in the fact that the doc will see a minimal of jail time, if any do to California law, hell a guilty verdict would only increase his chances of book deals and talk show circuits.

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lazycrockett said:

alphastreet said:

I know Conrad will have security, but if he's found Not Guilty, I'm almost hoping a riot breaks out or something :*( I don't really wish that cause I don't want fans to get into trouble or anything like that, but it's injustice.

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Whatever happens no one is going to be rioting in the streets over this. From what Ive seen the people outside the courthouse has dwindled bout as much at the media attention towards the trial itself. Its really not that relevant anymore.

Throw in the fact that the doc will see a minimal of jail time, if any do to California law, hell a guilty verdict would only increase his chances of book deals and talk show circuits.

Sad but true.

They have Murray's patient on the stand saying what a good person and doctor he is. Now that seems desperate to me.

Anyone else is annoyed of Chernof's OKs after each answer?

Murray's best friend is over. His testimoney ended with: "Assuming Murray ways grossly negligent with Michael Jackson, you'd still be here to defend him, correct? Correct." That says it all.

dag said:

Murray's best friend is over. His testimoney ended with: "Assuming Murray ways grossly negligent with Michael Jackson, you'd still be here to defend him, correct? Correct." That says it all.

Wow that's a pretty loyal patient!

Basically under direct examination, they all say how wonderful he is and that he always makes sure that everything is explained etc and nobody cared the way Murray did. Walgren is doing a great job during the cross exam, though.

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dag said:

Murray's best friend is over. His testimoney ended with: "Assuming Murray ways grossly negligent with Michael Jackson, you'd still be here to defend him, correct? Correct." That says it all.

Pretty much!

Somebody just told me Dennis Rix was Michael Jackson in old age disguise!

Murray's crying.

So uh...court is adjourned for the day?

I read somewhere that as Latoya was walking into court today she said to a reporter something like, "This is all an illusion. People should watch The Illusionist" (movie) and read between the lines..." What do you suppose she meant by that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...2006_film)

NaughtyKitty said:

So uh...court is adjourned for the day?

yes, for some reason (hmmmmmm.....), the experts are unavailable to testify. i would be having second thoughts esp. if i were dr. white. every med professional on the stand have said what murray did was unacceptable. even if he could prove that mj could have given himself the fatal dose, how is he going to survive cross on every other fact of the evidence? if he sits on the stand trying to defend the indefensible, his rep will be ruined.

these character witnesses only underscore two things: they explain why mj thought murray was a good doc. murray no doubt outwardly treated mj with the same compassion and understanding as these patients, therefore he trusted murray to do what he needed done - "monitoring".

secondly, the pros was able to underscore that the level of care they received was far more professional than the care mj received, and the jury will wonder why that was.

NaughtyKitty said:

I read somewhere that as Latoya was walking into court today she said to a reporter something like, "This is all an illusion. People should watch The Illusionist" (movie) and read between the lines..." What do you suppose she meant by that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...2006_film)

That means that people shouldn't pay too much attention to what Latoya Jackson is saying! Remember, she is the woman, who let her management force her into publicly stating, that her brother is a child molestor!

NaughtyKitty said:

So uh...court is adjourned for the day?

What's up with that shit?!! The last week or so that I have been able to tune into the live stream either there's a super long break or the trial was postponed for the day. That's why some of us stopped posting on here because we haven't been able to watch the trial. Also, it seems like the media and general public are disappointed that this trial is boring compared to the characters that inhabited the OJ trial proceedings.

^Everytime I tune in all I see is the Great Seal of California and a bunch of idiots screaming at each other. That would be the HLN channel. I swear they mean to cut to a commercial everytime a important question is brought up.