Nothing is adding up at all.

And Murray is not telling the truth about what actually happened.

Has anyone seen this old man outside the court

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suga10 said:

Nothing is adding up at all.

And Murray is not telling the truth about what actually happened.

Has anyone seen this old man outside the court

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yes, it goes w/o saying that murray is not telling the truth. i won't say that lapd "botched" the investigation; it's just that everyone took murray at his word at the beginning. can you imagine thinking that a doctor would deliberately refrain from calling 911? but that's what the evidence shows, and by the time lapd and other realized it, time had been lost and potential evidence compromised.

kibbles said:

suga10 said:

Nothing is adding up at all.

And Murray is not telling the truth about what actually happened.

Has anyone seen this old man outside the court

[Edited 10/23/11 22:19pm]

yes, it goes w/o saying that murray is not telling the truth. i won't say that lapd "botched" the investigation; it's just that everyone took murray at his word at the beginning. can you imagine thinking that a doctor would deliberately refrain from calling 911? but that's what the evidence shows, and by the time lapd and other realized it, time had been lost and potential evidence compromised.

There's more to the story than we are being told. We should wait and see what happens.

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And by who do you believe murray was "framed"?

alphastreet said:

And by who do you believe murray was "framed"?

That should be pretty obvious.....

[Edited 10/23/11 23:11pm]

I should NOT be feeling of old age in my late 20's, so please just say it.

"Framed" my ass lol

This about getting justice for michael and the truth will come out.....

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Dr. Shafer: "MJ was NOT an addict."

Did you, guys, see the x-exam? Just pathetic.

dag said:

Did you, guys, see the x-exam? Just pathetic.

no, i didn't as i'm at work; i'm visiting other boards where there are diligent posters providing updates. but i've noticed in general that there has been a slow down in the commentary here. i have my suspicions as to why that is, but we'll see if it picks up now that the def is presenting its case.

kibbles said:

tmo1965 said:

When I made the post about Shaffer drinking the propofol, I was watching the CNN live stream. At that time, there were no links to refer to.

I think drinking the propofol is a bit extreme. He even conducted human experiments in Chili for this case, which I find to be quite disturbing. He said in court that he paid about $600 to run the assays for the experiments, but paid the "volunteers" no money - again, I find this a bit disturbing.

why is it extreme? the def was mounting a case to raise the issue that mj in fact did drink it. so what was the pros supposed to do, not challenge that theory? i'm sure that there are jurors who would want to see that theory ruled in or out, and if the pros didn't address it, it allows the jury to speculate in favor of the def (though considering the other evidence in the case, i would say they would be wrong to hang their hats on this one theory).

I am a little surprised that he would go to that extent for this case. But as far as the experiment... I would bet money that it was done under extreme precautions... the same one that Murray should have done for MJ.

I bet for the experiment they were hooked to monitors and MONITORED... they had oxygen, rescue equipment and someone standing right there capapble and READY to intubate at a moments notice.

If there was a reaction... all you need to do is support the respiratory system with an open airway and supplemental oxygen... and be ready to support the circulation system if the B/P goes down... with bolus of IV fluids... and just wait it out.

Remember: the half life of Propofol is EXTREMELY short. Within several minutes IV propofol wears off.

Now for oral absoprtion, there could have been a prolonged effect... but the recovery would have still been the same.

suga10 said:

kibbles said:

There's more to the story than we are being told. We should wait and see what happens.

[Edited 10/23/11 22:52pm]

i agree that there's more to the story, but if you're thinking it's going to be revealed during this trial, i wouldn't get my hopes up if i were you. murray will likely be convicted, i think, but i don't think we'll ever truly know the truth of what happened on 6/25/09.

prodigalfan said:

kibbles said:

why is it extreme? the def was mounting a case to raise the issue that mj in fact did drink it. so what was the pros supposed to do, not challenge that theory? i'm sure that there are jurors who would want to see that theory ruled in or out, and if the pros didn't address it, it allows the jury to speculate in favor of the def (though considering the other evidence in the case, i would say they would be wrong to hang their hats on this one theory).

I am a little surprised that he would go to that extent for this case. But as far as the experiment... I would bet money that it was done under extreme precautions... the same one that Murray should have done for MJ.

I bet for the experiment they were hooked to monitors and MONITORED... they had oxygen, rescue equipment and someone standing right there capapble and READY to intubate at a moments notice.

If there was a reaction... all you need to do is support the respiratory system with an open airway and supplemental oxygen... and be ready to support the circulation system if the B/P goes down... with bolus of IV fluids... and just wait it out.

Remember: the half life of Propofol is EXTREMELY short. Within several minutes IV propofol wears off.

Now for oral absoprtion, there could have been a prolonged effect... but the recovery would have still been the same.

it goes without saying that this experiment was conducted in a controlled environment, with proper precautions and contigency plans.

there was no prolonged effect, there was little effect for reasons that the doctor stated on the stand.

They¨re playing the retrieved footage from the house. These might be the last shots of MJ alive. So far, no Mike has appeared there.

So far, just cars coming in and out the gates. No Mike yet.

OK, so that was it. Just a footage of cars coming in and out. What was the point of that?

Didn't Michael have survelliance cameras set up in his bedroom? Where's that footage?

dag said:

OK, so that was it. Just a footage of cars coming in and out. What was the point of that?

dag to my eye it looked like the kids were outside waiting on MJ to appear but the questioning i belive is 2 dispell some of dective martinez's testimony. we'll have 2 see how it plays out. the first defense witness was testifying to the time the 911 call came into the station.

what i think is happening is the defense is setting up a time frame defense thus far

ViintageJunkiie said:

Didn't Michael have survelliance cameras set up in his bedroom? Where's that footage?

Nobody asked for it. Not even the defence.

L4OATheOriginal said:

dag said:

OK, so that was it. Just a footage of cars coming in and out. What was the point of that?

dag to my eye it looked like the kids were outside waiting on MJ to appear but the questioning i belive is 2 dispell some of dective martinez's testimony. we'll have 2 see how it plays out. the first defense witness was testifying to the time the 911 call came into the station.

what i think is happening is the defense is setting up a time frame defense thus far

The kids? I didn't notice. I thought they were just some men.

We'll see what's their point if they are finally gonna have one.

dag said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Didn't Michael have survelliance cameras set up in his bedroom? Where's that footage?

Nobody asked for it. Not even the defence.

I remember someone mentioning MJ had a camera set up in the bedroom but supposedly the footage of the incident was deleted

ViintageJunkiie said:

dag said:

Nobody asked for it. Not even the defence.

I remember someone mentioning MJ had a camera set up in the bedroom but supposedly the footage of the incident was deleted

Yeah, I've heard of that, too. I wonder how that is gonna be explained and who will be held responsible cause that is obviously destroying evidence.

dag said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

dag to my eye it looked like the kids were outside waiting on MJ to appear but the questioning i belive is 2 dispell some of dective martinez's testimony. we'll have 2 see how it plays out. the first defense witness was testifying to the time the 911 call came into the station.

what i think is happening is the defense is setting up a time frame defense thus far

The kids? I didn't notice. I thought they were just some men.

We'll see what's their point if they are finally gonna have one.

yes just based on their height i could tell that paris walked a certain distance while the other two kids stood side by side and i don't wanna say yes but then it appeared 2 me that a man came around the kids and hugged them. could have been MJ. the reason 4 showing this footage is 2 timeline when michael came home from the staples arena to when he went 2 bed and all hell broke loose

L4OATheOriginal said:

dag said:

The kids? I didn't notice. I thought they were just some men.

We'll see what's their point if they are finally gonna have one.

yes just based on their height i could tell that paris walked a certain distance while the other two kids stood side by side and i don't wanna say yes but then it appeared 2 me that a man came around the kids and hugged them. could have been MJ. the reason 4 showing this footage is 2 timeline when michael came home from the staples arena to when he went 2 bed and all hell broke loose

I didn't see any of that. Gotta watch the footage again cause I was skipping to another site cause it seemed boring and I couldn¨t see anyone familiar, so that is why I was skipping away for seconds.

prodigalfan said:

kibbles said:

why is it extreme? the def was mounting a case to raise the issue that mj in fact did drink it. so what was the pros supposed to do, not challenge that theory? i'm sure that there are jurors who would want to see that theory ruled in or out, and if the pros didn't address it, it allows the jury to speculate in favor of the def (though considering the other evidence in the case, i would say they would be wrong to hang their hats on this one theory).

I am a little surprised that he would go to that extent for this case. But as far as the experiment... I would bet money that it was done under extreme precautions... the same one that Murray should have done for MJ.

I bet for the experiment they were hooked to monitors and MONITORED... they had oxygen, rescue equipment and someone standing right there capapble and READY to intubate at a moments notice.

If there was a reaction... all you need to do is support the respiratory system with an open airway and supplemental oxygen... and be ready to support the circulation system if the B/P goes down... with bolus of IV fluids... and just wait it out.

Remember: the half life of Propofol is EXTREMELY short. Within several minutes IV propofol wears off.

Now for oral absoprtion, there could have been a prolonged effect... but the recovery would have still been the same.

I just worry about people being taken advantage of. That's all.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Didn't Michael have survelliance cameras set up in his bedroom? Where's that footage?

I really want to know the whole deal with the surveillance cameras.

I just know latoya said they were destroyed and security didn't a give a shit when she was trying to tell them to save them.

^Well Latoya seems to say a lot of things that should be taken with a grain of salt. If there were security camera's in the bedroom this trial wouldnt be happening.

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lazycrockett said:

^Well Latoya seems to say a lot of things that should be taken with a grain of salt. If there were security camera's in the bedroom this trial wouldnt be happening.

[Edited 10/24/11 20:43pm]

Not surprising. It is LaToya Jackson after all