Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

catpark said:

Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

Again! That is only assuming that the "2 minutes" are true. I'm refusing to believe that that is true though, that Michaels death is only due to this fool's total incompetence following the discovery of Michael not breathing. I like to believe that he was long gone and that that was the reason for the madness on Murray's part that happened afterwards. I feel better with that thought.

catpark said:

^^Aha! And then he does it in a fashion which makes him out to be the most stupid doctor in the world, ruins his reputation (and hopefully life) and probably puts him behind bars for a couple of years?? Sorry, but I believe a personal physician has ways to kill his patient without making himself look like a total baffoon.

nursev said:

catpark said:

Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

Murray wanted him dead and was paid to make sure he died. I mean no doctor is this damn stupid/negligent.

And the fact that he didn't call 911, that's pretty suspect.

angel345 said:

nursev said:

^ folks have gotten rich off of MJ's death including Murray I mean he was getting paid nicely to kill the kingofpop and will only get four years! Nah I believe he was hired to kill him/keep him happy. No doctor is this damn stupid. Murray needed the money and chose to go along with those that wanted Michael dead.

Aha! You believe that without foundation, base and proof whatsoever. Sorry, but just .

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

catpark said:

Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

Again! That is only assuming that the "2 minutes" are true. I'm refusing to believe that that is true though, that Michaels death is only due to this fool's total incompetence following the discovery of Michael not breathing. I like to believe that he was long gone and that that was the reason for the madness on Murray's part that happened afterwards. I feel better with that thought.

Yeah I feel ya.

nursev said:

^ folks have gotten rich off of MJ's death including Murray I mean he was getting paid nicely to kill the kingofpop and will only get four years! Nah I believe he was hired to kill him/keep him happy. No doctor is this damn stupid. Murray needed the money and chose to go along with those that wanted Michael dead.

I suspect foul play, though hard to prove it. His estate and record sales did skyrocketed, since his death.

angel345 said:

nursev said:

catpark said: Murray wanted him dead and was paid to make sure he died. I mean no doctor is this damn stupid/negligent.

And the fact that he didn't call 911, that's pretty suspect.

Agree on both. Too many loose ends imo.

angel345 said:

nursev said:

PatrickS77 said:

Aha! You believe that without foundation, base and proof whatsoever. Sorry, but just .

All doctors, nurses, cna's...whoever work in healthcare are there to help care for the sick and save lives. First and foremost before doing anything one must assess the situation and call 911. Murray did everything else but that! Any nurse knows to put a patient on the floor for CPR or use a backboard. As thin as MJ was it would've been easy to put him on the floor! Hell I have put 300 lb men on the floor for cpr! C'mon that alone proves he wanted him dead-he didn't even try to save him.

But what if Michael was long dead and there was nothing left for Murray to do to save him?? The only thing left to do for Murray was to panic and trying to save his own ass.

catpark said:

angel345 said:

And the fact that he didn't call 911, that's pretty suspect.

Agree on both. Too many loose ends imo.

nursev said:

angel345 said:

I suspect foul play, though hard to prove it. His estate and record sales did skyrocketed, since his death.

Indeed and not to mention the Dr said Michael died from resp failure and murray didn't even try to ambu bag him-what a terrible way to die! Damn I miss Michael and I'm sorry he died by the work of this idiot.

I saw Steinberg's testimony

PatrickS77 said:

nursev said:

PatrickS77 said:

But what if Michael was long dead and there was nothing left for Murray to do to save him?? The only thing left to do for Murray was to panic and trying to save his own ass.

I have found patients dead! You still must call 911 and initiate cpr not try to clean up the scene. Also, why was there no portable oxygen available and did someone say whether he took a pulse ox or blood oxygen concentration reading? For such a powerful drug to be used murray should have at least had some things available in case Michael did arrest.

No shit!? I bet you didn't hit up your patients with propofol in their bedrooms and left them alone to die! That fucker knew he's in deep shit the minute he saw Michael not breathing! Everything that happend afterwards stems from his survival mode!

Geez, I do not dispute what you say here. I just dispute that he wanted to kill him. Other than that the fucker is guilty as sin.

Was just at youtube trying to find the video of Propofol given in hospital.

I saw the intro video where the anesthesiologist described his various research and publications.

I couldn't help but yell at the computer screen every time I saw "dr." Murray.....

"WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU???!!!!"

It is MIND BLOWING that he did this. I simply CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! Even the doctors participating in this case.... you can tell they are POSITIVELY BAFFLED AND OUTRAGED that this fool would do this.

nursev said:

Bottom line is murray was paid to be so negligent! Dude was in debt and took the dirty money to kill Michael.

And with that I just do not agree. There is no proof of it whatsoever. And I trust that for a personal doctor, there are "better" ways to off someone.

nursev said:

PatrickS77 said:

But what if Michael was long dead and there was nothing left for Murray to do to save him?? The only thing left to do for Murray was to panic and trying to save his own ass.

I have found patients dead! You still must call 911 and initiate cpr not try to clean up the scene. Also, why was there no portable oxygen available and did someone say whether he took a pulse ox or blood oxygen concentration reading? For such a powerful drug to be used murray should have at least had some things available in case Michael did arrest.

I'm not no doc or nurse but even I know that.

prodigalfan said:

It is MIND BLOWING that he did this. I simply CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! Even the doctors participating in this case.... you can tell they are POSITIVELY BAFFLED AND OUTRAGED that this fool would do this.

Yeah. It is... especially for a layperson, who doesn't know what really is involved when giving someone Propofol. But it is also mindblowing to think that Michael agreed to this! How could he?

PatrickS77 said:

And why didn't Murray keep daily records of Jacksons condition? Its crazy.

PatrickS77 said:

catpark said:

Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

Again! That is only assuming that the "2 minutes" are true. I'm refusing to believe that that is true though, that Michaels death is only due to this fool's total incompetence following the discovery of Michael not breathing. I like to believe that he was long gone and that that was the reason for the madness on Murray's part that happened afterwards. I feel better with that thought.

And I agree with you Patrick. I don't believe MJ got Propofol at 10:00 AM. I think the time the drip was supposed to stop was aroun 9 am and when Murray went in to turn it off he found MJ already gone. He didn't officially start the alarm for an hour... 10:00.

I also am beginning to believe that Murray did keep some notes... and those notes would exposed large gaps of time or incongruent information that would be ripped apart and used against him, so he destroyed any notes.

I just don't believe that the doctor did not keep notes. He kept notes with all his other patients... I think he has destroyed the evidence... so all we have to go on is his version of the story.

nursev said:

catpark said:

Dr Shafer looks stunned and annoyed by going over Murrays negligence.

The more these experts give evidence the more sadder it becomes with the facts that MJ could of been saved. Murray was being so incompetent its unbelieveable shocking the things he did and didn't do for MJ.

Murray wanted him dead and was paid to make sure he died. I mean no doctor is this damn stupid/negligent.

I am beginning to believe you are right. Because I can't stop myself from wanting to scream at him...

"HELLO, MCFLY!!!"

Speculation.

N before this goes down the conspiracy rabbit hole, remember we are here to discuss the trial.

[Edited 10/19/11 16:48pm]

prodigalfan said:

Was just at youtube trying to find the video of Propofol given in hospital.

I saw the intro video where the anesthesiologist described his various research and publications.

I couldn't help but yell at the computer screen every time I saw "dr." Murray.....

"WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU???!!!!"

It is MIND BLOWING that he did this. I simply CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! Even the doctors participating in this case.... you can tell they are POSITIVELY BAFFLED AND OUTRAGED that this fool would do this.

That's why I probably would've spent the whole time yelling lol I wanna slap him man.

prodigalfan said:

PatrickS77 said:

Again! That is only assuming that the "2 minutes" are true. I'm refusing to believe that that is true though, that Michaels death is only due to this fool's total incompetence following the discovery of Michael not breathing. I like to believe that he was long gone and that that was the reason for the madness on Murray's part that happened afterwards. I feel better with that thought.

And I agree with you Patrick. I don't believe MJ got Propofol at 10:00 AM. I think the time the drip was supposed to stop was aroun 9 am and when Murray went in to turn it off he found MJ already gone. He didn't officially start the alarm for an hour... 10:00.

I also am beginning to believe that Murray did keep some notes... and those notes would exposed large gaps of time or incongruent information that would be ripped apart and used against him, so he destroyed any notes.

I just don't believe that the doctor did not keep notes. He kept notes with all his other patients... I think he has destroyed the evidence... so all we have to go on is his version of the story.

Yeah! Most likely!