scriptgirl said:

Does anyone remember when old girl was in Eden's Crush?

I do!

She was old looking back then, too

Nicole doesn't have the "IT" factor to me...

missfee said:

Yeah it's pushed back alright....right into a trash can.

That's so wrong!

Identity said:

missfee said:

Yeah it's pushed back alright....right into a trash can.

That's so wrong!

ViintageJunkiie said:

Nicole doesn't have the "IT" factor to me...

YES!

That's always been my biggest problem with her. She's beautiful, she can sing, she can move, she seems like a lovely person. She bores me to tears.

Timmy84 said:

Identity said:

That's so wrong!

Fine, ignore my rude joke comment.

sosgemini said:

Timmy84 said:

Fine, ignore my rude joke comment.

I didn't see it above the usual ORG arguments.

shorttrini said:

She can't sing her way out of a greasy paper bag, for me.....and as for her looks, she looks like a "Morticia" from the, Adams Family", Pez dispenser....

I felt the same way in the past, until I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...grec_index

npgmaverick said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Nicole doesn't have the "IT" factor to me...

YES!

That's always been my biggest problem with her. She's beautiful, she can sing, she can move, she seems like a lovely person. She bores me to tears.

That's it exactly!, She is good at shining in a group of other nobodies (ie the Pussycat Dolls), but she is not that interesting. I have no interest in hearing from her. Same with Leona Lewis & Joss Stone. Good singers & pretty, but something about them VERY

steelyd said:

She is good at shining in a group of other nobodies (ie the Pussycat Dolls), but she is not that interesting.

You may have a point.Some lead singers in groups are just not meant to be solo superstars.Look at EnVogue or TLC.Those groups were well-liked but the lead singers were never able to establish successful solo careers.

SoulAlive said:

steelyd said:

You may have a point.Some lead singers in groups are just not meant to be solo superstars.Look at EnVogue or TLC.Those groups were well-liked but the lead singers were never able to establish successful solo careers.

Spice girls, backstreet boys, NKOTB, etc.

becoming a star from a group isn't the rule, it's the exception to the rule.

And you wonder with the exceptions of Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Rod Stewart, Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle and Janis Joplin why you don't hear much about lead singers becoming stars in their own right. It's not that simple as it looks...

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Timmy84 said:

She's behind on her slut insurance.

I know she doesn't want to, but I think she should put out a Pussycat Dolls-like single first. The public knows her for being on these kinds of songs. If that became a hit, then she could start putting out the kinds of songs she wants to do. It's all business though-you gotta cater to the public.

I do agree her personality is not all that interesting, but some of the most famous stars are quite boring or robotic themselves. Nicole has the total package on the paper, but I think her solo songs haven't been that great. I did like "Don't Hold Your Breath" though

Timmy84 said:

And you wonder with the exceptions of Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Rod Stewart, Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle and Janis Joplin why you don't hear much about lead singers becoming stars in their own right. It's not that simple as it looks...

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The amount of artists you listed could almost make your statement look like sarcasm.

Timmy84 said:

She should've just been a model.

I said the same thing about Rihanna.

2freaky4church1 said:

She's behind on her slut insurance.

Shard said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

And you wonder with the exceptions of Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Rod Stewart, Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle and Janis Joplin why you don't hear much about lead singers becoming stars in their own right. It's not that simple as it looks...

[Edited 10/16/11 10:21am]

The amount of artists you listed could almost make your statement look like sarcasm.

what's sad is that,her album will be released in December,it will flop and she will back to square one.It's an endless cycle for her.It's time for her to try a new strategy....a new game plan.

SoulAlive said:

what's sad is that,her album will be released in December,it will flop and she will back to square one.It's an endless cycle for her.It's time for her to try a new strategy....a new game plan.

So why did the game plan work in other countries? I think we are all missing the point, not just with her but with many artists, america is not the market it was plain and simple, lets ask Girls Aloud who are currently the most succesful girl group in the UK ever, and worldwide have had tremendous sales if they are worried about America? Sure its a market you want, but at this point i dont think any artist should lose sleep over it, especially if they have sales in alot of other markets, you can get by just ffine without the US market, ask a-ha members and their bank accounts after 2010 what the USA means to them. Ask the Members of QUEEN if they really cared that they didnt sell much after "Another one bites the dust" you'll get a very interesting answer.

lastdecember said:

Shard said:

I know she doesn't want to, but I think she should put out a Pussycat Dolls-like single first. The public knows her for being on these kinds of songs. If that became a hit, then she could start putting out the kinds of songs she wants to do. It's all business though-you gotta cater to the public.

I do agree her personality is not all that interesting, but some of the most famous stars are quite boring or robotic themselves. Nicole has the total package on the paper, but I think her solo songs haven't been that great. I did like "Don't Hold Your Breath" though

But again these points would b ok if this album and 3 of it's singles didnt do well in many other countries. I will agree they did DUMB down for America by slapping 50 cent a rapper that is finished on a track that shouldn't have been on the record, but this is how America has tunnel vision on marketing. Why not put the song with Sting out as a single? Why are we pushing a 33year old to the 10 year olds that buy Rihanna?

I agree with you, but then again it's the younger crowd that buys the most music. How else did the almost 30 year old Shitney Spears' new album and those terrible singles of hers do well? Her music appeals to the pre-teens/teens. The execs want to make the most money possible so they want Nicole to try competing with what's selling well.

Maybe another possible angle I could see Nicole try is doing a Hawaiian themed pop sound. Some of Rihanna's songs have a Caribbean-influenced pop sound and that sets her apart.

Shard said:

lastdecember said:

Shard said: But again these points would b ok if this album and 3 of it's singles didnt do well in many other countries. I will agree they did DUMB down for America by slapping 50 cent a rapper that is finished on a track that shouldn't have been on the record, but this is how America has tunnel vision on marketing. Why not put the song with Sting out as a single? Why are we pushing a 33year old to the 10 year olds that buy Rihanna?

I agree with you, but then again it's the younger crowd that buys the most music. How else did the almost 30 year old Shitney Spears' new album and those terrible singles of hers do well? Her music appeals to the pre-teens/teens. The execs want to make the most money possible so they want Nicole to try competing with what's selling well.

Maybe another possible angle I could see Nicole try is doing a Hawaiian themed pop sound. Some of Rihanna's songs have a Caribbean-influenced pop sound and that sets her apart.

The marketing here is all wrong, plain and simple, the USA marketplace and how artists in general in the mainstream are pushed is played out. Britney Spears is always going to sell, she has been at this for 13 years and has almost had a record every year, she started at the "explosive" top lets not forget that, she wasnt a US aritst she was a WORLD ARTIST day one. Now Nicole with PCD was a slow grind, that first single debut at #97 and took months to climb into the top 5, and so did the album, it was a whole themed brand, i dont think that should be carried into her work now. So i can take half of her album and say, look, lets market the STING duet, lets push the "Dont Hold Your Breath" and another track called "AMENJENA" which is just piano vocal written and played by Nicole, lets go that route, because even if you dont selll with that, you make a mark more. But if you cater to the Rihanna crowd, your spitting into the wind, Nicole is 33, thats retirement age in that genre of music and we all know that.

For the record the young crowd doesnt buy the music, its the late 20's to 40 that buy the albums, kids are more ringtones and singles and theft, this is why you will have Katy Perry sell a zillion in singles and barely sell an album, or FLO-RIDA set downloaded singles records but sell 50,000 of that same album containing the song that sold 5 million, those artists are write-offs to labels, they make all that money on singles, artists get about 2Cents on a sale. But thats a whole other thread.

So basically what i am saying is regardless of sales, no one is marketing what should be. WHY did they add 50 cent on to a song that wasnt even a single in other countries? GUESS, its called dumbing down for the USA, same reason LIL WAYNE got slapped on an Amerie track two years ago, did nothing for the song, nor the record, in fact made Amerie fans pissed because they hated him and thought he sucked. So its time for a new game plan with marketing more than with nicole and others.

lastdecember said:

Shard said:

I agree with you, but then again it's the younger crowd that buys the most music. How else did the almost 30 year old Shitney Spears' new album and those terrible singles of hers do well? Her music appeals to the pre-teens/teens. The execs want to make the most money possible so they want Nicole to try competing with what's selling well.

Maybe another possible angle I could see Nicole try is doing a Hawaiian themed pop sound. Some of Rihanna's songs have a Caribbean-influenced pop sound and that sets her apart.

The marketing here is all wrong, plain and simple, the USA marketplace and how artists in general in the mainstream are pushed is played out. Britney Spears is always going to sell, she has been at this for 13 years and has almost had a record every year, she started at the "explosive" top lets not forget that, she wasnt a US aritst she was a WORLD ARTIST day one. Now Nicole with PCD was a slow grind, that first single debut at #97 and took months to climb into the top 5, and so did the album, it was a whole themed brand, i dont think that should be carried into her work now. So i can take half of her album and say, look, lets market the STING duet, lets push the "Dont Hold Your Breath" and another track called "AMENJENA" which is just piano vocal written and played by Nicole, lets go that route, because even if you dont selll with that, you make a mark more. But if you cater to the Rihanna crowd, your spitting into the wind, Nicole is 33, thats retirement age in that genre of music and we all know that.

For the record the young crowd doesnt buy the music, its the late 20's to 40 that buy the albums, kids are more ringtones and singles and theft, this is why you will have Katy Perry sell a zillion in singles and barely sell an album, or FLO-RIDA set downloaded singles records but sell 50,000 of that same album containing the song that sold 5 million, those artists are write-offs to labels, they make all that money on singles, artists get about 2Cents on a sale. But thats a whole other thread.

So basically what i am saying is regardless of sales, no one is marketing what should be. WHY did they add 50 cent on to a song that wasnt even a single in other countries? GUESS, its called dumbing down for the USA, same reason LIL WAYNE got slapped on an Amerie track two years ago, did nothing for the song, nor the record, in fact made Amerie fans pissed because they hated him and thought he sucked. So its time for a new game plan with marketing more than with nicole and others.

OK I didn't know about which demographic buys the albums. As I said, I agree with you that Nicole shouldn't have to have someone like 50 cent on a track, but the execs wanted her stuff played on the radio. In the last 3 years. who is dominating radio? Gaga, Beyonce (until this flop of an album), Rihanna, Katy, Shitney, and Ke$ha. Nicole, Amerie, and others who are capable of making more mature music are being forced to, as you put it, dumb themselves down because mature music is not on the radio (for the most part) these days.

Shard said:

lastdecember said:

The marketing here is all wrong, plain and simple, the USA marketplace and how artists in general in the mainstream are pushed is played out. Britney Spears is always going to sell, she has been at this for 13 years and has almost had a record every year, she started at the "explosive" top lets not forget that, she wasnt a US aritst she was a WORLD ARTIST day one. Now Nicole with PCD was a slow grind, that first single debut at #97 and took months to climb into the top 5, and so did the album, it was a whole themed brand, i dont think that should be carried into her work now. So i can take half of her album and say, look, lets market the STING duet, lets push the "Dont Hold Your Breath" and another track called "AMENJENA" which is just piano vocal written and played by Nicole, lets go that route, because even if you dont selll with that, you make a mark more. But if you cater to the Rihanna crowd, your spitting into the wind, Nicole is 33, thats retirement age in that genre of music and we all know that.

For the record the young crowd doesnt buy the music, its the late 20's to 40 that buy the albums, kids are more ringtones and singles and theft, this is why you will have Katy Perry sell a zillion in singles and barely sell an album, or FLO-RIDA set downloaded singles records but sell 50,000 of that same album containing the song that sold 5 million, those artists are write-offs to labels, they make all that money on singles, artists get about 2Cents on a sale. But thats a whole other thread.

So basically what i am saying is regardless of sales, no one is marketing what should be. WHY did they add 50 cent on to a song that wasnt even a single in other countries? GUESS, its called dumbing down for the USA, same reason LIL WAYNE got slapped on an Amerie track two years ago, did nothing for the song, nor the record, in fact made Amerie fans pissed because they hated him and thought he sucked. So its time for a new game plan with marketing more than with nicole and others.

OK I didn't know about which demographic buys the albums. As I said, I agree with you that Nicole shouldn't have to have someone like 50 cent on a track, but the execs wanted her stuff played on the radio. In the last 3 years. who is dominating radio? Gaga, Beyonce (until this flop of an album), Rihanna, Katy, Shitney, and Ke$ha. Nicole, Amerie, and others who are capable of making more mature music are being forced to, as you put it, dumb themselves down because mature music is not on the radio (for the most part) these days.

Yeah for the most part thats it, but also we the public need to get off the whole "sales" tip and more on doing good albums as opposed to what radio might play. I dont look at someone like say Amerie and Nicole and think of them as what radio might play, nor should they be aiming at it. I think Amerie more knows thhis as she is more in the making of her albums, and she doesnt want that type of sale for the sake of selling, but alot of times its not really for them to decide, if a label says "we dont hear a single" and they slap 50cent on a track, well how can you really fihgt against this? they are doing the marketing thats what they think we want.

Timmy84 said:

She should've just been a model.

I think she still could

A post about Nicole does not deserve to go 2 pages jk lol. The only good thing she ever did was stickwitu with the pussycat dolls and the remix and another song both with avant. She better off going back to the pussycat dolls they wasn't special either though.

She doesn't have the 'it' factor and no one cares about her in the US. She should concentrate on the European market where she was starting to make some breakthrough