I give this album a spin today, been awhile since i listened to it. I think it's a good album but i ALWAYS wonder if Kels is 100 percent serious about this. R. Kelly is one hell of a bi polar artist, one minute he wants to stick his whole head up a strippers ass, the next he sings songs like love Signals telling people to hold hands & tell strangers i love you Robert is a talented man, but he is also a bit hypocritical at times, i think his voice goes well witht he gospel and ''steppin'' themes here. But just before this it was a record of club jams and a few slow jams. And after this album Kells did TP3 Which has some of his worst and nastiest lyrics he ever wrote And it came right after it his supposed gospel album. Any who i love Red Carpet, Love Signals, Happy People, Steppin Into Heaven, Ladies Night, U Saved Me, How Did I Manage, 3-Way Phone Call. I think this & Love Letter where the 2 great albums he did int he 00's, but i am not particulary convinced Kells pracitces what he preaches on the album. Thought's? =]

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I like the Happy People album, but can't stand the U Saved me project. This happens to be my favorite track. I wish it was about 6minutes.

Love Signals was my favorite track from that album.

Timmy84 said:

Love Signals was my favorite track from that album.

I liked that one too.

I liked this cd a lot. "Weather Man" was entirely too short. I loved how the songs flowed one onto the other, especially "Red Carpet" into "Love Signals".

My fave's on that cd are "Love Signals", "Ladies Night", "If" and "Steppin' Into Heaven". I love Kelz.

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Shaolin325 said:

I liked this cd a lot. "Weather Man" was entirely too short. I loved how the songs flowed one onto the other, especially "Red Carpet" into "Love Signals".

My fave's on that cd are "Love Signals", "Ladies Night", "If" and "Steppin' Into Heaven". I love Kelz.

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Yes!, i loved all the fade ins & outs to. Wish he did it more on the other cd

Chocolate Factory to me, was his final great work, I can't listen to anything else, he does without gagging.

HermesReborn said:

Chocolate Factory to me, was his final great work, I can't listen to anything else, he does without gagging.

Chocolate Factory was his best to me also, however, all of these songs were written about the same time (for CF, USM and HP). A lot of them were originally apart of the "Loveland" project that eventually became The Chocolate Factory.

Actually, a "Loveland" EP was apart of the Limited Edition version of The Chocolate Factory.

This was on the Loveland EP.

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^ I agree! That was a real nice cut. When I had that hits CD, I had this on repeat. Definitely one of his best songs to date to me.

daPrettyman said:

HermesReborn said:

Chocolate Factory to me, was his final great work, I can't listen to anything else, he does without gagging.

Chocolate Factory was his best to me also, however, all of these songs were written about the same time (for CF, USM and HP). A lot of them were originally apart of the "Loveland" project that eventually became The Chocolate Factory.

Actually, a "Loveland" EP was apart of the Limited Edition version of The Chocolate Factory.

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Happy People sounds like it was just trying to ride the coattails of Step In The Name of Love.

The whole You saved me, era seemed like a publicity stunt to vindicate the fact that he's changed, in a world where he was seen as a deviant.

The writing is pretty atrocious.

whereas Chocolate Factor & Loveland EP,, where amazingly written and produced

I think Loveland would've of made an excellent album.

My Fav Track was Raindrops

Back when the water drop sample was still cool, and not annoying like in Trapped In The Closet...

This era, he just seemed so inspired.

It was his peak. Was all down hill from there

HermesReborn said:

daPrettyman said:

Chocolate Factory was his best to me also, however, all of these songs were written about the same time (for CF, USM and HP). A lot of them were originally apart of the "Loveland" project that eventually became The Chocolate Factory.

Actually, a "Loveland" EP was apart of the Limited Edition version of The Chocolate Factory.

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Happy People sounds like it was just trying to ride the coattails of Step In The Name of Love.

The whole You saved me, era seemed like a publicity stunt to vindicate the fact that he's changed, in a world where he was seen as a deviant.

The writing is pretty atrocious.

whereas Chocolate Factor & Loveland EP,, where amazingly written and produced

I think Loveland would've of made an excellent album.

My Fav Track was Raindrops

Back when the water drop sample was still cool, and not annoying like in Trapped In The Closet...

This era, he just seemed so inspired.

It was his peak. Was all down hill from there

I wish that he would have kept "More and More" for himself. I can't stand Joe's version.

I loved Kels' music during 2003... he obviously was cashing in on the success of "Step" with Happy People and I don't know why he did U Saved Me. It seemed real calculated. Matter of fact a lot of his material after Chocolate Factory seemed calculated until Love Letter. You'd think he understand that people really appreciate him as a R&B crooner rather than this pseudo hip-hop-ish thug persona he's been trying to be for the last 11 years...

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I doubt he is, I just had a funny feeling with the albums' concepts, like during the madness of the pre-trial events and the media's perception of him - which still continues to border on negative.

daPrettyman said:

HermesReborn said:

Chocolate Factory to me, was his final great work, I can't listen to anything else, he does without gagging.

Chocolate Factory was his best to me also, however, all of these songs were written about the same time (for CF, USM and HP). A lot of them were originally apart of the "Loveland" project that eventually became The Chocolate Factory.

Actually, a "Loveland" EP was apart of the Limited Edition version of The Chocolate Factory.

This was on the Loveland EP.

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I like this one funny after the sextape drop R. Kelly was on a roll (you would think it would be the other way around) he was pretty big at this time.

Timmy84 said:

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I doubt he is, I just had a funny feeling with the albums' concepts, like during the madness of the pre-trial events and the media's perception of him - which still continues to border on negative.

Nah he definitely knew what he was doing.

With good reason, cause If I was his PR consultant I'd tell him to do the same thing.

But I dunno...

That whole era seemed so fake

The exclamtion point was when he released TP-3

thats when you knew that whole you saved me thing was a sham...

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent, however, R has done some really good music and some really baaaddd music. I'm glad he doesn't just stick to one style, but come on, to go from "Touched A Dream" and "Happy People" to something like "Thoia Thong" and "Snake" is just too extreme. Not to mention all of the crazy songs like the one about a zoo and animals is just too much.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent, however, R has done some really good music and some really baaaddd music. I'm glad he doesn't just stick to one style, but come on, to go from "Touched A Dream" and "Happy People" to something like "Thoia Thong" and "Snake" is just too extreme. Not to mention all of the crazy songs like the one about a zoo and animals is just too much.

lol

when I heard OOO OOO AHHH AHHHH..

I knew that homie fucking lost it

That album was terrible period

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent, however, R has done some really good music and some really baaaddd music. I'm glad he doesn't just stick to one style, but come on, to go from "Touched A Dream" and "Happy People" to something like "Thoia Thong" and "Snake" is just too extreme. Not to mention all of the crazy songs like the one about a zoo and animals is just too much.

I'm a female and I loved "Thoia Thoing" "AMERICA GET YA HANDS UP"!!!!!!

He's always been singing about sex. He made "Sex Me" with that group he was with. Then of course there's "Bump and Grind".

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Chocolate Factory and Loveland albums is R. Kelly at his prime as an artist. It's amazing if you listen to his early work to now. He grew as artist really fast in the 90's from 12 Play to R. Kelly to R. but slowly declined after the HP/USM album with the TP.3 and Double Up album. Now he's back with Love Letter album. But CF is just mindblowing really. Sometimes I can't believe R. Kelly created some of the songs on the album because it's so not the R. Kelly we know. Songs like 'What Do I Do' and 'You Made Me Love You' are so out of character. I think the best has yet to come from R. Kelly. I wonder what other songs he can create.

HermesReborn said:

The whole You saved me, era seemed like a publicity stunt to vindicate the fact that he's changed, in a world where he was seen as a deviant.

Actually it wasn't. This is why he did:

"Unfortunately, some people don't appreciate the spiritual songs from R Kelly because that's not how R Kelly started, sometimes you have to jive a person before you can knock 'em out, though. I look at my music in the beginning and the sexual songs, the partying songs, those are the realities because those things happen. Those things have happened today - somebody had sex, somebody went to a club, somebody met somebody, some things went down, some of us weren't meant to be here, some of us were supposed to be abortions! But by destiny we are here and the inspirational songs are something I choose to do. If I hadn't struggled then I wouldn't be inspired to cry out. You see what I'm saying? If there's no fire, there's no scream. If there's no scream, then no one hears you and no one comes to help you in the first place. The depth of my struggle has definitely determined the height of my success. To be able to teach my kids not just about success but about the struggle that comes with it."

He also mentioned once that he did the double album because there was a lot of negativity in his life at the time so he wanted to remain positive.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent, however, R has done some really good music and some really baaaddd music. I'm glad he doesn't just stick to one style, but come on, to go from "Touched A Dream" and "Happy People" to something like "Thoia Thong" and "Snake" is just too extreme. Not to mention all of the crazy songs like the one about a zoo and animals is just too much.

And making a mess in the kitchen. There's actually a video on YouTube with these words: "don't let R. Kelly in your kitchen". This was when he was "explaining" what he would do with a special woman there.

neonlights said:

Chocolate Factory and Loveland albums is R. Kelly at his prime as an artist. It's amazing if you listen to his early work to now. He grew as artist really fast in the 90's from 12 Play to R. Kelly to R. but slowly declined after the HP/USM album with the TP.3 and Double Up album. Now he's back with Love Letter album. But CF is just mindblowing really. Sometimes I can't believe R. Kelly created some of the songs on the album because it's so not the R. Kelly we know. Songs like 'What Do I Do' and 'You Made Me Love You' are so out of character. I think the best has yet to come from R. Kelly. I wonder what other songs he can create.

HermesReborn said:

The whole You saved me, era seemed like a publicity stunt to vindicate the fact that he's changed, in a world where he was seen as a deviant.

Actually it wasn't. This is why he did:

"Unfortunately, some people don't appreciate the spiritual songs from R Kelly because that's not how R Kelly started, sometimes you have to jive a person before you can knock 'em out, though. I look at my music in the beginning and the sexual songs, the partying songs, those are the realities because those things happen. Those things have happened today - somebody had sex, somebody went to a club, somebody met somebody, some things went down, some of us weren't meant to be here, some of us were supposed to be abortions! But by destiny we are here and the inspirational songs are something I choose to do. If I hadn't struggled then I wouldn't be inspired to cry out. You see what I'm saying? If there's no fire, there's no scream. If there's no scream, then no one hears you and no one comes to help you in the first place. The depth of my struggle has definitely determined the height of my success. To be able to teach my kids not just about success but about the struggle that comes with it."

He also mentioned once that he did the double album because there was a lot of negativity in his life at the time so he wanted to remain positive.

No offense,

You must be truly gullible, if you believe a word he says

He did that album BECAUSE of the negativity.

HermesReborn said:

neonlights said:

Chocolate Factory and Loveland albums is R. Kelly at his prime as an artist. It's amazing if you listen to his early work to now. He grew as artist really fast in the 90's from 12 Play to R. Kelly to R. but slowly declined after the HP/USM album with the TP.3 and Double Up album. Now he's back with Love Letter album. But CF is just mindblowing really. Sometimes I can't believe R. Kelly created some of the songs on the album because it's so not the R. Kelly we know. Songs like 'What Do I Do' and 'You Made Me Love You' are so out of character. I think the best has yet to come from R. Kelly. I wonder what other songs he can create.

Actually it wasn't. This is why he did:

"Unfortunately, some people don't appreciate the spiritual songs from R Kelly because that's not how R Kelly started, sometimes you have to jive a person before you can knock 'em out, though. I look at my music in the beginning and the sexual songs, the partying songs, those are the realities because those things happen. Those things have happened today - somebody had sex, somebody went to a club, somebody met somebody, some things went down, some of us weren't meant to be here, some of us were supposed to be abortions! But by destiny we are here and the inspirational songs are something I choose to do. If I hadn't struggled then I wouldn't be inspired to cry out. You see what I'm saying? If there's no fire, there's no scream. If there's no scream, then no one hears you and no one comes to help you in the first place. The depth of my struggle has definitely determined the height of my success. To be able to teach my kids not just about success but about the struggle that comes with it."

He also mentioned once that he did the double album because there was a lot of negativity in his life at the time so he wanted to remain positive.

No offense,

You must be truly gullible, if you believe a word he says

He did that album BECAUSE of the negativity.

No, I'm not gullible but I do believe he created that album because he felt like it. I don't believe R. Kelly does music for any type of PR. Tbh, he's not in tune with the rest of the world to even think about doing that. If he truly did that album for PR then he wouldn't have produced all the sexual songs he did at the time for other artists. Remember that song 'So Sexy' with Twista? It was released the same year the HP/USM album was.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

I don't think he's hypocritical when he switches styles and themes.

If anything he's geniune and the type of artist that can't stick to ONE thing. I'm glad he's not like because that would be so boring. I like my Kellz always switching it up.

I remember a quote from Kellz saying how it's reality that people go clubbing Saturday night but wake up Sunday morning and go to church. So he's just singing about life. Those aren't his exact words but it's along those lines.

I agree with u 2 a certain extent, however, R has done some really good music and some really baaaddd music. I'm glad he doesn't just stick to one style, but come on, to go from "Touched A Dream" and "Happy People" to something like "Thoia Thong" and "Snake" is just too extreme. Not to mention all of the crazy songs like the one about a zoo and animals is just too much.

IMO, that makes him more interesting. I like that he's extreme but also has a soft spot, lol. It's funny when people think he's serious tho.

neonlights said:

HermesReborn said:

No offense,

You must be truly gullible, if you believe a word he says

He did that album BECAUSE of the negativity.

No, I'm not gullible but I do believe he created that album because he felt like it. I don't believe R. Kelly does music for any type of PR. Tbh, he's not in tune with the rest of the world to even think about doing that. If he truly did that album for PR then he wouldn't have produced all the sexual songs he did at the time for other artists. Remember that song 'So Sexy' with Twista? It was released the same year the HP/USM album was.

wait...

You're a Stan...

No wonder...

HermesReborn said:

neonlights said:

No, I'm not gullible but I do believe he created that album because he felt like it. I don't believe R. Kelly does music for any type of PR. Tbh, he's not in tune with the rest of the world to even think about doing that. If he truly did that album for PR then he wouldn't have produced all the sexual songs he did at the time for other artists. Remember that song 'So Sexy' with Twista? It was released the same year the HP/USM album was.

wait...

You're a Stan...

No wonder...

How am I stan? Are you once of those people that can't have a normal conversation without getting touchy?

neonlights said:

HermesReborn said:

wait...

You're a Stan...

No wonder...

How am I stan? Are you once of those people that can't have a normal conversation without getting touchy?

I'm not getting touchy...

You're a Stan...

How are you a Stan?

It's the way you phrase things.

You don't really say things as a response to the music, or your personal opinion.

You're actually speaking for R. Kelly., you've just spent the last few post trying to convince me of his actual intent musically, and your doing so with vindication, as if you where him.

Now I couldn't give 2 shits about R.kelly.

I just dig some music...

It's obviously something more to you.

So you're a Stan

HermesReborn said:

I'm mad.

That's all I see in your rant post above.

How am I speaking for R. Kelly? YOU are the one that suggested his USM album is a "PR stunt". So YOU are the one that was trying to speak for him, not me. All I did was correct you by posting an actual quote from the man himself and now you're upset? I'm not trying convince you about anything, lol. You're just bothered at the fact that you were corrected. But carry on...

neonlights said:

HermesReborn said:

I'm mad.

That's all I see in your rant post above.

How am I speaking for R. Kelly? YOU are the one that suggested his USM album is a "PR stunt". So YOU are the one that was trying to speak for him, not me. All I did was correct you by posting an actual quote from the man himself and now you're upset? I'm not trying convince you about anything, lol. You're just bothered at the fact that you were corrected. But carry on...

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Mad?

lol

Ok Stan.

I was just talking to my friend on last.fm about this very subject. I'm ready for R. Kelly to retire the R&B thug and just be the talented crooning, songwriting genius that he is. Love Letter is an EXCELLENT album and to me his last great album before that was Happy People. I had written him off until a friend forced me to listen to When A Woman Loves. My favorite song by him will always be I Touched A Dream, that song is magnificent!!!

Him & Mary need to leave the streets alone, just be the mature R&B royalty that you have grown to be. I just don't understand why people just can't age gracefully. People will buy your albums even moreso if you did.