find this first review of her debut album v. interesting - i made a mix cd and i totally hear it!

No, not to any significant degree.

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No.

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

No. I don't see it or hear it

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

And there you have it. I also count Diana Ross as an influence in some level vocally... (just SOMEWHAT, mostly in her Supremes days lol).

Madonna is soulLESS.... NO

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

And there you have it. I also count Diana Ross as an influence in some level vocally... (just SOMEWHAT, mostly in her Supremes days lol).

i'm glad you two can "see it".

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

The "hiccup"?

Missing Persons (Dale Bozzio)...



...Walking in L.A. & Words

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

theAudience said:

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

The "hiccup"?

Missing Persons (Dale Bozzio)...



...Walking in L.A. & Words

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

My memory couldn not be jarred. Thank ya.

theAudience said:

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

The "hiccup"?

Missing Persons (Dale Bozzio)...



...Walking in L.A. & Words

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

Dale was definitely an influence...

Pretty sure she did, maybe not a major influence, but many and many people influence an artist, not just the few they always mention.

mjscarousal said:

Madonna is soulLESS.... NO

Madonna used to get a lot of airplay on R&B stations when she first came out just like Art Of Noise and Culture Club did. That's probably why she's compared to Teena in this early article.

theAudience said:

TonyVanDam said:

The people that influenced Madonna were Deborah Harry, Donna Summers, & Marilyn Monroe.

The "hiccup"?

Missing Persons (Dale Bozzio)...



...Walking in L.A. & Words

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

Them too!

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Madonna is soulLESS.... NO

Madonna used to get a lot of airplay on R&B stations when she first came out just like Art Of Noise and Culture Club did. That's probably why she's compared to Teena in this early article.

Being played on r&b stations and having soul are two DIFFERENT things... I would never compare Madonna to Teena Marie.

The only similarity I see is that both of them are white and both of them's first release was released without a picture and played on R&B radio first before pop radio. "Everybody" was a 12 Inch before it was released on an album.

Other than that, Madonna is a lot more pop than Teena Marie who only crossed over once with "Lovergirl".

LOL

Absolutely not.

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

Madonna used to get a lot of airplay on R&B stations when she first came out just like Art Of Noise and Culture Club did. That's probably why she's compared to Teena in this early article.

Being played on r&b stations and having soul are two DIFFERENT things... I would never compare Madonna to Teena Marie.

You're looking at this from a modern standpoint. Many new acts are compared to someone already established. Madonna was a new act, and was a white female singer that recieved R&B airplay and liked by some Black listeners. The so-called "blue eyed soul" acts that were popular were pretty much all males and Teena was the only woman that recieved regular airplay, so Madonna was compared to Teena. It might be hard to concieve to modern listeners, but Madonna was considered "blue-eyed soul" at first. Really her first album sounds like the Stephanie Mills stuff of the time, because they had the same producer, Reggie Lucas. But Madonna could get pop radio (and MTV) airplay unlike Stephanie (or Teena).

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Madonna wouldn't even have known who Teena Marie was. Her diet consisted of digesting pop culture and stealing ideas from her gay friends.

And would it be a bad thing if she did influence Madonna?

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sosgemini said:

Madonna wouldn't even have known who Teena Marie was. Her diet consisted of digesting pop culture and stealing ideas from her gay friends.

Im sure she knew who every then-successful female pop/rock/and especially R&B act was when she was trying to emulate their success and danceclubs/radio dominance in the beginning. Puh Lease .... i'd bet you $50 at least one of her "gay friends" who she stole "ideas" from was a Queeny Lady Tee ultrafan

Lawd Jesus, Lady T and Madonna named in the same sentence. ~deep breath~ Okay, let me recover. I'll be back.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Being played on r&b stations and having soul are two DIFFERENT things... I would never compare Madonna to Teena Marie.

You're looking at this from a modern standpoint. Many new acts are compared to someone already established. Madonna was a new act, and was a white female singer that recieved R&B airplay and liked by some Black listeners. The so-called "blue eyed soul" acts that were popular were pretty much all males and Teena was the only woman that recieved regular airplay, so Madonna was compared to Teena. It might be hard to concieve to modern listeners, but Madonna was considered "blue-eyed soul" at first. Really her first album sounds like the Stephanie Mills stuff of the time, because they had the same producer, Reggie Lucas. But Madonna could get pop radio (and MTV) airplay unlike Stephanie (or Teena).

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The overall point for some reason is slipping over your head. This isnt about who had more black appeal or black fans. Madonna is a souless singer. She is a pop star. I dont care about many African American fans she has. It is obsurd to compare her to Teena Marie and insinuate she has soul JUST because she played on r&b stations and has African American fans...

Once again appeal and soul are DIFFERENT. Madonna is NOT a soulful singer EVEN if she wasnt compared to Teena she STILL would not be soul and I double dare you to make a ridiculous case that she is. Madonna has guts of steel but doesnt have an ounce of soul in her body..

I have never listened to anything by Madonna and thought it was influenced by Teena. Never, ever, ever. Teena was the Ivory Queen, in a category of her own. She sang with a lot of runs, and power. This article is reaching. Listening to Teena just makes me think of how much Madonna is lacking, if anything. RIP.

badujunkie said:

sosgemini said:

Madonna wouldn't even have known who Teena Marie was. Her diet consisted of digesting pop culture and stealing ideas from her gay friends.

Im sure she knew who every then-successful female pop/rock/and especially R&B act was when she was trying to emulate their success and danceclubs/radio dominance in the beginning. Puh Lease .... i'd bet you $50 at least one of her "gay friends" who she stole "ideas" from was a Queeny Lady Tee ultrafan

Does Teena Marie have some Italian in her or am I wrong about that? That's one thing they have in common, and the other being that people thought both were black artists when on the radio until it was revealead on tv that they weren't. Those are the only things they have in common, nothing else at all.

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

You're looking at this from a modern standpoint. Many new acts are compared to someone already established. Madonna was a new act, and was a white female singer that recieved R&B airplay and liked by some Black listeners. The so-called "blue eyed soul" acts that were popular were pretty much all males and Teena was the only woman that recieved regular airplay, so Madonna was compared to Teena. It might be hard to concieve to modern listeners, but Madonna was considered "blue-eyed soul" at first. Really her first album sounds like the Stephanie Mills stuff of the time, because they had the same producer, Reggie Lucas. But Madonna could get pop radio (and MTV) airplay unlike Stephanie (or Teena).

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The overall point for some reason is slipping over your head. This isnt about who had more black appeal or black fans. Madonna is a souless singer. She is a pop star. I dont care about many African American fans she has. It is obsurd to compare her to Teena Marie and insinuate she has soul JUST because she played on r&b stations and has African American fans...

Once again appeal and soul are DIFFERENT. Madonna is NOT a soulful singer EVEN if she wasnt compared to Teena she STILL would not be soul and I double dare you to make a ridiculous case that she is. Madonna has guts of steel but doesnt have an ounce of soul in her body..

What exactly is "soul"? According to the church I went to, everyone has a soul. "Soulful" singing doesn't mean anything, just like "new age", "pop", "alternative", "goth", "race", "freestyle", "bluegrass", or "heavy metal" doesn't mean anything. What is "world music"? All music is made in the world. Soul is a label someone made up for marketing purposes. I never said Madonna was a soul or any other kind of singer. I was explaining the article and said she was considered "blue eyed soul" by some people of the time and hence compared to Teena. That's all I have to say about this, since you like arguing for no reason. It's not that big of a deal.

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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Being played on r&b stations and having soul are two DIFFERENT things... I would never compare Madonna to Teena Marie.

You're looking at this from a modern standpoint. Many new acts are compared to someone already established. Madonna was a new act, and was a white female singer that recieved R&B airplay and liked by some Black listeners. The so-called "blue eyed soul" acts that were popular were pretty much all males and Teena was the only woman that recieved regular airplay, so Madonna was compared to Teena. It might be hard to concieve to modern listeners, but Madonna was considered "blue-eyed soul" at first. Really her first album sounds like the Stephanie Mills stuff of the time, because they had the same producer, Reggie Lucas. But Madonna could get pop radio (and MTV) airplay unlike Stephanie (or Teena).

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LOL I asked my dad about this a year or two ago and he says it's not true. I've seen the interviews of her saying people thought she was black but I don't think she was fooling as many listeners as legend has it.

OK, let's set the record straight: Madonna was never billed a "blue eyed soul artist". She was pop from day fucking one! Sire Records was just being fishy, that's all.