badujunkie said:

why does everything here have to be subject to a race discussion?

seriously - listen to something pre 1983 by teena then listen to physical attraction, pretender, shoo be doo or Lucky Star - even Into the Groove - i 100% hear it in voice, songwriting, song structure and the funky groove with an erotic/girlish voice

Madonna has SOUL btw

anyone who says she doesn't has never heard the Im breathless, bedtime stories or like a prayer albums

No, no and no. I have done just that. Teena Marie was doing duets, funking it up with Rick, doing soulful ballads, and releasing her own gems. Please listen to Fire and Desire, Happy, Deja Vu, the list goes on. They sound nothing like Madonna. The fact that their names are even joined together in this title is baffling. Teena must be rolling over in her grave.

I tried to be nice, but that flat, non singing stunt queen is not in the same league as the Vanilla Child, Teena.

I've heard all that sh&^ and she absolutely doesn't have soul.

musicjunky318 said:

Huh, so Janet believes that releasing album after album after album where she goes on and on about how she is way into sex is classy? I'd call it tedious.

rialb said:

musicjunky318 said:

Huh, so Janet believes that releasing album after album after album where she goes on and on about how she is way into sex is classy? I'd call it tedious.

To be fair, Janet did this interview in like 1993. Up to then, her albums did have class.

Of course, every album past All For You has basically been an infomercial about how wet her vagina is, but whatever.

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musicjunky318 said:

Here's a trip down memory lane.

I think Madonna did a good job at giving a reaction on what Janet said about her. I think Madonna only said something negative about Mariah , but no one else, so far I know.

And I think Cher was just being honest, I really like Cher.

Those comments Janet, Madonna and Cher say don't really make it dramatic. That's just their points of views. All women are above that anyways nowadays. Janet has been nicer in her responses to Madonna recently.

musicjunky318 said:

MickyDolenz said:

You're looking at this from a modern standpoint. Many new acts are compared to someone already established. Madonna was a new act, and was a white female singer that recieved R&B airplay and liked by some Black listeners. The so-called "blue eyed soul" acts that were popular were pretty much all males and Teena was the only woman that recieved regular airplay, so Madonna was compared to Teena. It might be hard to concieve to modern listeners, but Madonna was considered "blue-eyed soul" at first. Really her first album sounds like the Stephanie Mills stuff of the time, because they had the same producer, Reggie Lucas. But Madonna could get pop radio (and MTV) airplay unlike Stephanie (or Teena).

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LOL I asked my dad about this a year or two ago and he says it's not true. I've seen the interviews of her saying people thought she was black but I don't think she was fooling as many listeners as legend has it.

i'm with your dad. i was a teen at the time, and first of all, i don't remember anyone i knew being into madonna when she first arrived on the scene. i don't recall hearing her on the r&b station in san fran where i lived. i don't remember hearing that (lame) 'everybody' or 'burning up' at all. i would hear 'borderline' almost every morning on the pop station, and i certainly did not mistake her for black. when 'lucky star' came out, she may have gotten some play on some r&b stations, but she was not embraced like teena. maddy was only saying that the black community embraced b/c it gives her 'street cred'.

also, maddy was aware of teena b/c she did comment on teena being 'limited' in her appeal.

kibbles said:

musicjunky318 said:

LOL I asked my dad about this a year or two ago and he says it's not true. I've seen the interviews of her saying people thought she was black but I don't think she was fooling as many listeners as legend has it.

i'm with your dad. i was a teen at the time, and first of all, i don't remember anyone i knew being into madonna when she first arrived on the scene. i don't recall hearing her on the r&b station in san fran where i lived. i don't remember hearing that (lame) 'everybody' or 'burning up' at all. i would hear 'borderline' almost every morning on the pop station, and i certainly did not mistake her for black. when 'lucky star' came out, she may have gotten some play on some r&b stations, but she was not embraced like teena. maddy was only saying that the black community embraced b/c it gives her 'street cred'.

also, maddy was aware of teena b/c she did comment on teena being 'limited' in her appeal.

Like I said earlier, it was obvious PR on the part of SIRE. Madonna knew of Teena not being recognized right away because Motown's policy was to "let's put a gray face on the artist until we know for sure". They did that with Madonna but I don't know how Madonna would've pulled it off. So in that sense, you can say Madonna's label were influenced by Motown's role on Teena's career. It was more harder for people to think of Teena as anything other than black than it was for Madonna. I mean she had some vocal influences with Diana Ross but even that doesn't excuse why people would think Madonna was a "sister".

sosgemini said:

Timmy84 said:

Debbie Gibson?

Yes!! People tried to act all shocked that Debbie was white when Always In My Dreams first came out. It's pure PR bullsh*t!!!

And for the record, no, Debbie doesn't have more soul than Madge. They are probably equal. And I love me Madonna's voice but possessing soul is not something I'd use to describe her voice.

What people? Far as I know, Debbie never charted R&B. And "Always In My Dreams" was absolute bubblegum Pop and I would be shocked to find out if it was played even once on any black radio station. There was nothing soulful & R&B about it. Anyone who thought Debbie sounded like a sista must have been smoking dope or really lite while listening to the song.

Madonna charted R&B several times early in her career, even cracking the Top Ten with "Like A Virgin".

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Back then? Hell! She still is!

kitbradley said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Back then? Hell! She still is!

DEBBIE GIBSON? YOU MEAN SHAKE YOUR LOVE, I JUST CAN'T SHAKE YOUR LOVE DEBBIE GIBSON? LMAOOOOOOOOO

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Naw. I know many black folks, myself included, who jammed to Only In My Dreams back in the day.

SEANMAN said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Naw. I know many black folks, myself included, who jammed to Only In My Dreams back in the day.

yeah. okay.

musicjunky318 said:

Here's a trip down memory lane.

^Skip to 3:35

Damn who didn't Madonna have beef with? Janet, Michael, Prince, Cher, Elton, Mariah, Courtney Love. She must have been a real bitch behind closed doors

Marlena58 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Here's a trip down memory lane.

^Skip to 3:35

Damn who didn't Madonna have beef with? Janet, Michael, Prince, Cher, Elton, Mariah, Courtney Love. She must have been a real bitch behind closed doors

it couldn't be that they are all jealous of her success!

SEANMAN said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Naw. I know many black folks, myself included, who jammed to Only In My Dreams back in the day.

I have some Debbie stuff, but I listened to Top 40 and watched MTV unlike a lot of other kids I went to school with. I still never heard of anyone claiming Debbie was black, nor have I heard her on a R&B station. The local R&B station played Rock Me Amedeus by Falco, West End Girls by Pet Shop Boys, All She Wants To Do Is Dance by Don Henley, Shout by Tears For Fears, even Strangelove by Depeche Mode, but I've never once heard Debbie Gibson there. They did play some songs by Phil Collins & Wham!/George Michael a lot though.

badujunkie said:

Marlena58 said:

Damn who didn't Madonna have beef with? Janet, Michael, Prince, Cher, Elton, Mariah, Courtney Love. She must have been a real bitch behind closed doors

it couldn't be that they are all jealous of her success!

I think they could be mad that Madonna has little talent but is the best selling female artist of all times. That would make anybody mad

badujunkie said:

Marlena58 said:

Damn who didn't Madonna have beef with? Janet, Michael, Prince, Cher, Elton, Mariah, Courtney Love. She must have been a real bitch behind closed doors

it couldn't be that they are all jealous of her success!

I don't think so.

SEANMAN said:

badujunkie said:

it couldn't be that they are all jealous of her success!

I don't think so.

oh please

i love Jan and Mad equally - Jan even a little more, maybe at times

but it's gotta be killing JJ that she's having to become a theatre act and Madonna has become the most successful touring solo act of 2000 - 2009

I think EVERYBODY influenced Madonna.

HotGritz said:

I think EVERYBODY influenced Madonna.

totally

and in turn - everybody influced Caca!

badujunkie said:

SEANMAN said:

I don't think so.

oh please

i love Jan and Mad equally - Jan even a little more, maybe at times

but it's gotta be killing JJ that she's having to become a theatre act and Madonna has become the most successful touring solo act of 2000 - 2009

I love them both, too, but I highly doubt that Janet is spending her time thinking about Madonna's touring status. I'd venture to say that she's probably unaware of it. She's got tons of projects on her plate as it is. And lol, she's not reduced to anything, and this theater thing won't be permanent. She's making millions off of these current shows, and is selling out without the benefit of even having an album out. She's playing the Yas Arena in Abu Dhabi tomorrow. Here's a pic of what it looks like

SEANMAN said:

badujunkie said:

oh please

i love Jan and Mad equally - Jan even a little more, maybe at times

but it's gotta be killing JJ that she's having to become a theatre act and Madonna has become the most successful touring solo act of 2000 - 2009

I love them both, too, but I highly doubt that Janet is spending her time thinking about Madonna's touring status. I'd venture to say that she's probably unaware of it. She's got tons of projects on her plate as it is. And lol, she's not reduced to anything, and this theater thing won't be permanent. She's making millions off of these current shows, and is selling out without the benefit of even having an album out. She's playing the Yas Arena in Abu Dhabi tomorrow. Here's a pic of what it looks like

dude! im not disputing that! she has an awesome business, still (JJ) and can still sell a mean shitload of tickets.

but come on, she and Madonna have always been neck and neck from about 1990-2001/2 in touring, both huge female arena acts with very similar types of huge production shows. im sure she's aware. c'mon...

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badujunkie said:

SEANMAN said:

I love them both, too, but I highly doubt that Janet is spending her time thinking about Madonna's touring status. I'd venture to say that she's probably unaware of it. She's got tons of projects on her plate as it is. And lol, she's not reduced to anything, and this theater thing won't be permanent. She's making millions off of these current shows, and is selling out without the benefit of even having an album out. She's playing the Yas Arena in Abu Dhabi tomorrow. Here's a pic of what it looks like

dude! im not disputing that! she has an awesome business, still (JJ) and can still sell a mean shitload of tickets.

but come on, she and Madonna have always been neck and neck from about 1990-2001/2 in touring, both huge female arena acts with very similar types of huge production shows. im sure she's aware. c'mon...

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Well of course she is aware of this BUT whether she gives a fuck is a different story LOL. Janet has TO MANY other things to be worried about that petty stuff... just saying

Is wondering why some people here are turning it into same race issue... needless

Is also wondering why some people here are trying to turn Teena Marie into something she wasn't.

Teena Marie was a white R and B singer with some moderate succes, but i dont see her influence on Madonna.

What annoys me in the first place is that some people here seem to think the early eighties were some magic period, and that it has gone downhill since then. They seem to think Teena Marie, Cameo, The Gap band, Rick James and early Prince were the last artist that did matter, when I personally see people that limit their musical language to R and B, and the period they did grown up as a teenager.

I can't take people only listening to hitparade R and B seriously at all. I can't take people seriously who limit themselves to cheesy, plastic R and B.

mjscarousal said:

badujunkie said:

dude! im not disputing that! she has an awesome business, still (JJ) and can still sell a mean shitload of tickets.

but come on, she and Madonna have always been neck and neck from about 1990-2001/2 in touring, both huge female arena acts with very similar types of huge production shows. im sure she's aware. c'mon...

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Well of course she is aware of this BUT whether she gives a fuck is a different story LOL. Janet has TO MANY other things to be worried about that petty stuff... just saying

Right. I'm sure that over the years, they have both been a little envious of each other (why do you think Madonna told her dancer to "Bite your tongue" in Truth or Dare when he mentioned that her jacket was very "Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation"?) and when Janet scored those two huge record deals in the '90s. I believe both women are over that stuff these days. I still say that if she knows (a very big if), she doesn't give a shit.

SEANMAN said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Debbie Gibson was virtually unknown to the black community back then.

Naw. I know many black folks, myself included, who jammed to Only In My Dreams back in the day.

My sister loved that song and "Foolish Beat".

Riverman37 said:

I can't take people only listening to hitparade R and B seriously at all. I can't take people seriously who limit themselves to cheesy, plastic R and B.

Timmy84 said:

SEANMAN said:

Naw. I know many black folks, myself included, who jammed to Only In My Dreams back in the day.

My sister loved that song and "Foolish Beat".

I love that song too! The whole Out Of The Blue album is a guilty pleasure of mine