I'm glad we can have a calm discussion about this!
I understand how you relate it to Prince and Madonna, both of which have somewhat unrespectable qualities. I understand it's frustrating when someone doesn't like an artist that you like. And I want to share why I don't like MJ's image but I generally hold back on this board because of the many fans here, but truth be told I think he is a pedophile. I understand that it was never proven and that it's not the most solid case. I just think he is. He's fraile speaking voice and constant plastic surgery combined with the amount of time he spent with children gives me the creeps. For me that's something much harder to over look than Madonna being an uber bitch or Prince being some kind of Xenophobe.
I understand what you mean by Context too, but the fact is MJ used two offensive terms about one race in his song, Gaga spends the entire song about different races and orientations. I think her context is alot clearer than MJ's. I don't think it's just a word though, nothing is more important to me the civil rights and equality and the heavyness behind words like that need to be understood and not used lightly. I never thought MJ has a malicious intent behind it at all, I just thought it was pure ignorance. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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"Kike me" has nothing racist in itself. The song - an aggressive, the song about the problems in the world and the problems of the Michael, the song about the contempt to the man and his rights. MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I don't find this to be frustrating in the least. People have their own opinions. Maybe for some yeah, because I think that people take it as a some form of rejection?!?!?! I don't know. Sometimes, I think that when people dislike certain artists it's for some really ridiculous reasons though. I mean, you don't even know them on a personal level. How can you dislike someone you never met before?
I also don't understand disliking an entire artist's discography either or an entire genre OR (the worst) disliking something, because it's popular. In that case, I feel, that the person with said dislike does have their head in their ass, because they're making broad generalizations.
In your case though, it's like "I don't like his image; therefore I hate his work." Like what?!?!?! I mean...I guess it would be different if it was like an actual criticism of the work itself that was seperate from a criticism from this man who you did not know on a personal level you know? I understand for many people it is hard to seperate those things. I just feel sorry for them for being mentally unable to seperate the two.
This is why, as I said before I don't bother with those things. Doing so taints your opinion of the work because you will always associate the two of them.
While I disagree, I respect your opinion. When you start using something like that as a valid criticism of the music is when I think it's narrow-minded though. Simply put.
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How can you justify Gaga's use of a racially insensitive term to refer to Asians and then claim 'chola' as a descent and then to say MJ was wrong for using Jewish racial slurs when he was doing was comparing his own plight to theirs? It's one thing if Born This Way had used other slurs to refer to other people, but she didn't. It was just those two.
I think that Mjscarousel was right. You are really biased.
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To choose secret over scream is all personal taste , but to say that MJ never grew up as an artist is laughable and pure ignornace......
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Sure !!!!
when you create timeless songs , songs before their time ( do I need to mention " leave me alone "....the layers on chorus used on the track were before their time..just to mention one song ) , then you are absolutely an innovator and an artist who grew up immensely......Stanger in moscow , Little susie , earth song , They don't care about us , dirty diana , liberian girl are all pure indication that MJ grew up as an artist especially when he was the songwriter of all those tracks .........
I never took madonna seriously as an artist , Never , Just beacause she covered more daring subjects on her already forgotten songs doesn't mean that she grew more as an artist !..LOL MICHAEL JACKSON
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