As you know, Pac has been deceased for over 6 years and yet another double album has just been released of his music. Better Dayz came out this past Tuesday, November 26th. Even though Pac did say he recorded 3 albums worth of material(this was at the end of 1995), I don't think Pac would want alot of these songs that were in his vaults being released. A complaint among alot of his fans is that a lot of these posthumous releases contain a lot of songs that sound unfinished. The claim is that these posthumous releases are putting a damper on his musical legacy. What's more?...Next year we will see another double-album from Pac.

I'm not a huge fan of his. But I do respect his writing and poetic talents. I also admire his work habits and ethnics. Brother was putting in some work during his time on this plane.

With money to be made off of the continued popularity of Tupac, his estate will continue to piece together scraps of songs and call it a new album. There have been more releases since his death than when he was actually living.

His mother has said she wants to release it all eventually.

Supernova said:

I guess as long as there is an audience for it why not?

I personally think that the only thing different that 2Pac would have done to most of these songs was change the beats on 'em. I've heard all of the original songs off of Better Dayz and all of the beats were different except for Late Night which is still the same.

He DID want to realease all of these songs eventually, unless they were studio parties such as the unreleased "What You Won't Do For Love" which turned into 1997's "Do For Love" Most of these songs were recorded within 30 minutes or less and the only thing to be improved upon was voice enhancement and breaks, cuts and drops in the beat, other than that, 2Pac considered these songs finished.

All of the changed beats make the track song a little off since not all of them are exactly matched with the pace of his rapping. The Outlawz went back and re-did all of thir verse, save for Late Night which was left 100% in it's original form.

I don't think that Afeni is trying to make money off of 2pac's legacy as many people do! I think that she's merely fufilling 'Pac's wishes of getting his message out no matter how many songs they may be on! After all, if Prince were to die, wouldn't we all want all of his bootlegs? It's not like we don't have a plethora of them already!!

Personally I think Afeni should have used the original producers that 2Pac worked with and they should have merely enHANCED most of the beats that they did, however, some of them were outdated and need to be re-done.

Regardless, the 2pac CD's that are comming out now, although recorded over 6 years ago, STILL ALL sound better than the other commercial, gone-pop rap that's out there now by the likes of Jay-Z, Puffy the Remix Slayer, Ludacris, ect. Even though some of the beats are still off, 'Pac's words and lyrics are more potent and heartfelt today than ever, almost like he was predicting the future. I'll always support my boy, I just wish the media wouldn't get it twisted thinking he was all about violence and such and simply realize he wanted to help not only blacks, but everyone "behind the 8-ball" come up and see "Better Dayz" So before anyone jumps on the thread and judges, do FULL research on him and get to know the man as he really WAS, not what the media would have you to believe.

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Still Ballin',
Veli

Nice post Veli...
You are right. People are clamoring for what's in the vault NOW!
Thanks for the link.

classic77 said:

Better his mother (blood) than some corporate entity. Personally I'm not one to care how much she puts out or even whether she puts it out.

I PICKED UP BETTER DAYZ A FEW DAYS AGO AND IN MY OPNION IT IS HOT. I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THIS CD IS BETTER THAN SOME OF THE CURRENT HIP HOP THAT'S OUT THERE. CHECK OUT HIS LYRICS AND YOU WILL FIND A HIP HOP POET!!!

damn 2pac has a new release every yr!.
imagine if he was alive...tupac over a dr dre,timbaland,or Neptunes beat...him and eminem...etc...

there is enough Material in His Vault too last until 2015 from what I've heard.the Cat was a Great Poet,Hit&Miss Rapper.gonna Be a Great Actor with the Right Role IMHO.He had Charisma,Persona&a Edge.Smart Cat but got caught up In Industry Politics.Eminem IMHO has almost been Clonned off 2Pac.because what has Eminem done&gotten upset that 2Pac didn't?

mistermaxxx said:

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Agreed.

Most rappers right now are highly deriative of 2PAC.
Ja-Rule in particular attempts to recreate both 2PAC's image and flow, but completely lacks the lyrical skill or range of emotion to pull it off. In addition Murder Inc is a blatant East-coast carbon copy of Death Row records.

I've noticed a slew of rappers attempting to imtate him, but the 3 that strongly come to mind are the aforementioned Ja-Rule, DMX and Eminem.

Strangely, Jay-Z's cover of 'Me and my Girlfriend' does not offend me, because Jay is not copying 2PAC's style. If anything, the fact that a contemporary and sucessful rapper like Jay-Z actually covers a track acts more as a tribute to 2PAC's vision and longevity.

I heard that Better Dayz was the last of his works.

Veli said:

Good Morning All,

Nice post Veli...and thanks for that info. Thanks for taking the time to post...BRO915

I'm not bumping...I just got this album last night, so it's relevant for me.

It does sound strange to hear more modern beats on the older-sounding Tupac raps...I mean, by now, we've all gotten over Mobb Deep and Bad Boy, right? But there it is, on CD, dispelling any kinds of faked-death rumors...but then you think that Tupac would have updated his sound anyway, like everybody else did.

Some of it does sound unfinished, but the great thing about old Tupac records is that they were always raw and didn't rely too heavily on samples. He wrote and recorded songs quickly - that was his style. So for the songs to sound "unfinished" isn't too far off. I think most people are used to the overproduced, effects-laden hip hop on the radio now...Missy, Ludacris, etc.

But the songs that have one verse of Tupac, someone else singing the chorus, some guest rapper on the second verse, then one more Tupac verse...they sound like some demos that they built a song around. I understand that many of these songs were only demos that they built songs around, but we didn't want it to sound like that.

They should at least keep the guest appearances to people who actually would have rapped on these songs. Tha Outlawz, for example, still sound natural...but did Trick Daddy ever hang with Tupac? Did 50 cent ever even meet Biggie?

Oh yeah, and Tupac is still better than all the rappers out there - and Eminem wouldn't have been able to get away with his Tupac imitaiton on "The Eminem Show" if Tupac was still alive. He even mentions how he idolizes him on a few tracks.

Supply & Demand...finished projects or not people want every drop of what he had 2 offer. At the end of the day there some right minded people with true loving souls doings this 4 all the right reasons in respect 2 what he may have wanted and knowing what his devotees would desire...But lets not 4-get the bussiness of clocking in the dollars as well 4 whom it may concern.

I respect his talents as a busy writing force ala poet. But despite his bright mind he gave in 2 the gloom "n" doom of what was the darkness. I think thats what got my interest cuz I myself on a personal note would think about death and dying young etc...But in a different way then he did. I wasn't living a crazy high & die life where I could get taken out at a blink of a eye. But the fact that he was wide open with these feelings was heavy...very honest deep reality. I felt a common ground 2 a degree.

I just don't buy into alot of the crap thats kicked around in regards 2 him still being "alive" or that hes "God" like or that he was in someway this super positive leader of young black kids with no fathers. If Pac had stayed on a right path he would have grown into a man with realistic leadership qualitys. But as in his end times, he was not the type of person who can make good choices or one who had the power 2 fight the evils that whispered sweetly in his ear ...He romanced 2 many ill ideas and vibes. A person will only get death in a unatural way doing what he did.

A gifted life wasted & cut short...Not 2 stray but I'm sure had he been alive alot of these cuts we hear 2day would sound different...but in other ways maybe not much. I don't think he would have been down with Nas or Jay Z etc.. doing his music. Besides Biggie he had that on going battle with these brothas...so at the time of his death there was no making up between them. So I just doin't think we would have heard Jay Z's version or Nas being featured on his single had he still been alive 2day*

I think one of the spookiest things is that Tupac wrote a ton of songs about being dead and coming back from the dead. Like Biggie and Kurt Cobain writing songs about being dead. Creepy. That helps sales, though.

Plus, you don't hear a lot of people yelling "Westsiiide!" on wax anymore.

See, this is one of those times when you wish you could delete your posts.
[This message was edited Tue Feb 18 13:55:32 PST 2003 by tommyalma]

UsexyMF said:

you Need Hype to Sell Wolf Tickets&it was More Suge Knight than 2Pac Hyping everything up.Pac wanted out of that Image&He paid for it with His Life ot Truly be FREE!!and Suge ain't Madd with Sharing Co-Writing Credits on "03 Bonnie&Clyde" with Jay Z,Prince,2Pac&Himself either.it's all a Hustle¬hing Personal is what Suge Might say?Suge said that if 2Pac were alive He would have Him in Small Clubs on the Wayne Newton tip.