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Thread started 10/04/11 1:13pm

Gunsnhalen

What Happened To Rock N Roll?

It is on serious life support right now, Rock is not selling anymore, and i can see why, The new rock bands are.... so generic. Last decade we had to deal with crap like Nickelback, Hinder, Breaking Benjamin.

We also had some good late 90's to 00's bands like System Of A Down, Queens of The Stone age & Mudvayne. 2 decades ago Guns N Roses, Metallica, Skid Row, Faith No More, Red Hot Chili Peppers, White Zombie, My Bloody Valentine, U2, Ozzy, Fugazi, & grunge acts tearing up the charts. Not to mention great acts like Living Colour, Honeymoon Killers, Jesus Lizard.

The 60's-80's was a non stop assault of great rock!, the 90's was a fascinating time for alternative rock...

Thing's went blah when rap-metal came in. Grant it, cool idea BADLY HORRIBLE EXECUTED. although i dig a few Korn albums.... that genre as a whole ugh no. Then that whiny Creed, Nickelback crap that infested last decades radio was the sound of my high school...[besides rap. pop & the other popular acts]

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #1 posted 10/04/11 1:54pm

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Hard to say. In the '90s when rap really took over the charts I think that had a lot to do with it. Do young kids still listen to guitar based music? I think over the last twenty years or so kids just started losing interest in rock music so there are not nearly as many bands coming up as there once was.

I completely agree that far too much of today's bands are generic. Too many of them are virtually indistinguishable from each other. It just seems like there is so little variety and desire to push boundaries.

I started a thread several months back wondering who the great rock bands circa 2000-2010 were and, while there were some good bands listed, it was a fairly weak list when compared to the '60s-'90s.

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/11 2:16pm

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From Out of the Silent Planet (1988)



...King


From Gretchen Goes To Nebraska (1989)



...Pleiades


From Faith Hope Love (1990)



...Fine Art of Friendship


From King's X (1992)



...Dream in My Life


From Dogman (1994)



...Flies and Blue Skies


From Ear Candy (1996)



...Life Going By


From Tape Head (1998)



...Little Bit of Soul


From Please Come Home...Mr.Bulbous (2000)



...Bitter Sweet


From Manic Moonlight (2001)



...Believe


From Ogre Tones (2005)



...Fly


From XV (2008)



...Broke & Go Tell Somebody



Killing it, in plain sight, since the late '80s.

About to start recording a new album.


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/11 2:40pm

Gunsnhalen

theAudience said:

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From Out of the Silent Planet (1988)



...King


From Gretchen Goes To Nebraska (1989)



...Pleiades


From Faith Hope Love (1990)



...Fine Art of Friendship


From King's X (1992)



...Dream in My Life


From Dogman (1994)



...Flies and Blue Skies


From Ear Candy (1996)



...Life Going By


From Tape Head (1998)



...Little Bit of Soul


From Please Come Home...Mr.Bulbous (2000)



...Bitter Sweet


From Manic Moonlight (2001)



...Believe


From Ogre Tones (2005)



...Fly


From XV (2008)



...Broke & Go Tell Somebody



Killing it, in plain sight, since the late '80s.

About to start recording a new album.


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

I ADORE these guys(;, but they where never big. And more underground which i dug......

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Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #4 posted 10/04/11 2:43pm

Gunsnhalen

rialb said:

Hard to say. In the '90s when rap really took over the charts I think that had a lot to do with it. Do young kids still listen to guitar based music? I think over the last twenty years or so kids just started losing interest in rock music so there are not nearly as many bands coming up as there once was.

I completely agree that far too much of today's bands are generic. Too many of them are virtually indistinguishable from each other. It just seems like there is so little variety and desire to push boundaries.

I started a thread several months back wondering who the great rock bands circa 2000-2010 were and, while there were some good bands listed, it was a fairly weak list when compared to the '60s-'90s.

And what was also the defying genre of rock in the 00's? emo? indie? i mean lol

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #5 posted 10/04/11 3:27pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

I ADORE these guys(;, but they where never big. And more undergroudn which i dug......

Which baffles me to this day given how good they are. disbelief

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

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Reply #6 posted 10/04/11 4:22pm

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theAudience said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I ADORE these guys(;, but they where never big. And more undergroudn which i dug......

Which baffles me to this day given how good they are. disbelief

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

I feel the same way about XTC.

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/11 4:50pm

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There are still a lot of the older guys putting out new quality stuff such as Alice Cooper and Kiss....but to me two of the best rock 'n' roll bands out there right now, are Buckcherry and the Murderdolls!!!!

Whenever you say that you can't, that's when you need to be trying.
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Reply #8 posted 10/04/11 5:12pm

free2bfreeda

others are wondering also. here's one pov. eek

How Technology Killed Rock And Roll

The sixties and seventies ushered in the golden years of rock and roll. A time when The Beatles and The Rolling Stones set the groundwork for what defined rock and roll as not only a genre but also a lifestyle. The bigger than life reputations and music spawned an entire new class of musicians. Record companies were quick to capitalize on the new phenomenon. They spent lots of money to perpetuate the myth of rock and roll to the collective masses.

Ultimately, though, the lauded genre would meet its downfall. The incompetents who profited the most from its growth would cause this defeat: the analog executives. These people built their careers on the massive airplay groups of the seventies and eighties. They spent millions to make millions. They were the gatekeepers of rock success and decadence, brilliantly packaging and selling the genre as a lifestyle – without regard for the music. Subsequently, these executives killed the notion of rock and roll without ever knowing the implications their actions had on generations to come.

Bad Reputation

The mid to late seventies saw the rise of punk music. The beginning of punk music was much like that of rock and roll. DIY and underground, punk rock was the antithesis of the excessive mainstream rock of the seventies. Piercing and unreformed, punk rock embraced the DIY attitude oftentimes distributing and recording their music themselves. Fans quickly formed around some of the most popular bands of the movement such as The Clash and The Ramones, starting the new independent rock movement.

The rise of the punk subculture quickly gave way to the New Wave movement with bands like The Cure and Siouxsee and The Banshees embracing the independent rock paradigm. These bands embraced fans whose niche-oriented communities viewed rock and roll as independence.

Towards the end of the seventies, rock and roll became a distant memory. But some artists refused to let the myth die. They took matters and their careers into their own hands. Independent rock was a direct result of their abandonment of the status quo.

Joan Jett first burst on to the scene as a teenager in the female rock band, The Runaways. After the dismantling of the group, Jett embarked on a solo recording career. With the finished album in hand, Jett and producer, Kenny Laguna, shopped the finished product to multiple labels – all of which refused to distribute the album. The two funded the album, Joan Jett, and eventually they distributed it by themselves without the help of a label through grassroots methods, such as selling it at Jett’s shows.

Despite the success of independent rockers, commercial rock had a massive resurgence in the mid eighties. Juggernauts like Motley Crue, Van Halen, Billy Idol, and Bon Jovi with millions of dollars at their disposal rocked stadiums. Their single and album sales were built by massive national stadium rock tours and incessant airplay on commercial mainstream radio stations straddling the line between rock and roll and mainstream pop.

No longer subject to the confines of a tour bus and redundant touring, hoping for radio success, these bands traveled the country in massive caravans for their debut ventures. This ensured the survival of a genre by pushing the music from every conceivable angle into the mass-consumer’s mind and setting massive records, which would last for years to come.

Home Taping Is Killing Music

In the eighties, cassette tapes brought forth a huge shift in music; they offered fans their first chance to pirate music. Blank cassettes offered fans the opportunity to make custom playlists, relinquishing them from the confines of the traditional album format. Whether dubbing them from the radio or from other cassettes, this new form of piracy offered people to share their music tastes with their friends. This freedom allowed fans their own way to create a music ecosystem, one furthered by the sovereignty that cassette tapes provided.

Soon thereafter, Home Taping Is Killing Music became a slogan of the anti-piracy campaign in the United Kingdom. Similar to the current iteration of p2p file sharing, industry groups saw home taping as a major problem in the eighties. The music industry feared the taping of music from the radio would cause a decline in the sales of recorded music. Seeking to squash it before it became a problem, the industry on both sides of the Atlantic spent millions of dollars lobbying government.

Alternative Takes Hold

The nineties were the most disastrous for rock and roll. At the end of the hair metal eighties era, the early nineties saw a rise in a new form of rock and roll: alternative. Alternative to every other type of music on the radio, this new genre offered fans a chance to listen to something other than pop music.

Arguably, the most influential band of the nineties was Nirvana. Their single, “Smells Like Teen Spirit”, spoke to a generation of fans who wanted something fresh and irreverent. This new music genre had rapid evolution. Played massively on MTV and the radio, analog executives were quick to cash in on the sound of Seattle. Bands like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, were marketed largely by record labels and were quick to become the reincarnation of the rock juggernaut.

These bands played everywhere and immediately toured the US after being signed. The analog executives used old school tactics to market to a new consumer and, for the most part, it worked. Today these bands are icons, not measured by the quality of their music but by their exuberantly high record sales.

In the nineties, a majority of acts were manufactured products of the analog executives. Most of these executives were now in a position of power at the major record labels with millions of dollars at their disposal. With the freedom and budget behind them, these people built multiple mainstream acts up with the old school tactics.

The rock and roll that the analog executives spent their entire careers re-packaging and selling was obliterated with the rise of social media; it created an opportunity for artists to have a say in how they had a relationship with their fans. These executives would try everything in their power to extinguish this new idea, because they felt it would tarnish the old way of doing things.

Larger Than Life

Instead of a larger generalized audience, the demographic broke down even more, splintering into sub genres with niche-oriented communities.

Rock and roll was once larger than life. As it was dismantled, sold, and packaged to millions of people, the movement and genre lost its original outsider appeal. The term rock and roll no longer applied to the entire genre. It now subsists on niche markets fueling awareness of various rock bands and musicians.

With the shift of music from the underground to the mainstream, the analog executives helped the genre meet its downfall. The blanketed term no longer applied to its various sub genres. When contemporary stalwarts like Rolling Stone underwent editorial makeovers, the exposure of the genre to a new generation of fans dwindled and they began to look for new areas for music discovery. The beginning of social media and the era of the pirate music consumer ushered in a new era of music. Older terms consumers used to classify their music tastes under were no longer relevant.

In the new music consumer’s mind, rock and roll is an idea of the past. With the rise in numbers of those using social media and technology for music discovery the old way of marketing is no longer relevant. As these tactics become antiquated, so do the terms and movements that were once built up by them. The monetization of the genres and social movements still happens today but not to the effect it did forty years ago at the height of the rock and roll movement.

Rock and roll was once urgent, immediate, a call to arms, and powerful because it was ugly and different. It encouraged outsiders to embrace their differences and live outside of both musical and societal norms. Now due to the rise of technology, the musician’s middle class, and the destruction of the myth of rock and roll, the genre has died.

read in entirity: http://www.musicthinktank...-roll.html

but hey, i don't feel rock and roll is dead. it's just taking it's time to rise again like the

Phoenix Rising from the Ashes | The Slog

Phoenix Rising out of the ashes. "the heart of rock and roll is still beating."
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Reply #9 posted 10/04/11 5:14pm

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rialb said:

I feel the same way about XTC.

It might seem that from a certain warped perspective, some bands are just too good for their own good.

If that makes any sense. confuse

Music for adventurous listeners

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Reply #10 posted 10/04/11 5:27pm

rialb

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Regarding the article two posts above, what the heck is an "analog executive?"

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Reply #11 posted 10/04/11 8:44pm

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As times change so does the music. That's really all that can be said.

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Reply #12 posted 10/05/11 3:50am

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Unholyalliance said:

As times change so does the music. That's really all that can be said.

That's true but as a big fan of rock music it is a little sad to see it in such a sorry state. From the '50s-'90s rock music was constantly changing but over the last fifteen or so years it has been fairly stagnant.

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Reply #13 posted 10/05/11 10:57am

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Lenny Kravitz says its dead

Prince says its alive and lives in Minneapolis

Who knows? shrug

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Reply #14 posted 10/05/11 2:46pm

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rialb said:

Regarding the article two posts above, what the heck is an "analog executive?"

uhhh, "forecasters." eek

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