I don't now if she's peaked but she's certainly churning that stuff out. Isn't she still on her 'Loud' tour when her new albums weeks from release? Take a holiday, luv.

I don't own one record or any downloads. I find her boring and starved for attention. She has a terrible voice too. I'm not saying one has to have a great voice, but the voice has to have style and know how to deliver a song. She has none of that.

Everyone loses popularity at some point. I think the two things is Rhianna's corner is:

1. Her looks are marketable.

2. Her image is malleable so she can easily change to whatever is popular at the moment, like Madonna. It's not as if she's making her her own music either so it's not as if she's dedicated to making only one style of music (even if I think her voice is barely suited for one style of music). This gives her a huge advantage over her competition.

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HAPPYPERSON said:

Who would argue that unlike her fellow brunette and chart rival Beyonce, her entire cause has been based on a prolonged hype – kept alive by interchangeable wigs, chart hungry producers and knee jerk marketing strategies.

Now we want you to weigh in.

Has Rihanna peaked too quickly?

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But how are those examples given unlike Beyonce? While Beyonce may be the overall better singer and performer than Rihanna, you could say her career has benefitted from those same strategies.

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I always wonder how many number hits Janet would have had if she churned out albums and singles during her peak i.e. released an album in 1991 and 1995? Same with Whitney...

Madonna and Mariah pretty much released stuff constantly during their peaks.

Empress said:

I don't own one record or any downloads. I find her boring and starved for attention. She has a terrible voice too. I'm not saying one has to have a great voice, but the voice has to have style and know how to deliver a song. She has none of that.

Amen. I thought I was the ONLY 1 who thought this. She sucks. Beyonce can outsing her ass ANY day of the week.

its easy to churn stuff out like that when you don't write anything

She just wants to feel important like those before her, though she's pretty. I only own the original release of Good Girl Gone Bad which was a solid CD, and liked the singles before it. She's been hit and miss since, and is not a serious artist at all. I have no respect for her and would never pay to see her in concert, no charisma or anything from what I've seen on her tv performances.

mancabdriver said:

I always wonder how many number hits Janet would have had if she churned out albums and singles during her peak i.e. released an album in 1991 and 1995? Same with Whitney...

Madonna and Mariah pretty much released stuff constantly during their peaks.

I would have much rathere seen Whitney release three albums of original material instead of soundtracks throughout the 90s. Some of her best work is from her soundtracks, but I don't really care much for her films besides Waiting To Exhale. Frankly I don't think Whitney is that great of an actress, she was put to shame in Waiting To Exhale but it was steal a great movie. I don't think Whitney cares about her sales as much as Mariah and Madonna do. Quality over quantity, right?

And as for Rihanna, more power to her. I actually like some of her songs, unlike Beyonce who I can't fucking stand. She's staying relevant, which is more than I can say about a lot of female entertainers out there (Brandy, Monica, Mya, Tweet (lol), Ciara, Keri Hilson to name a few).

She will burnout. Nature of the beast Iam afraid when you work as much as Rihanna is....

Heck, the slow decline is happening to Beyonce now, so it will happen to Rihanna, particually if she doesn't slow down.

Terrib3Towel said:

mancabdriver said:

I always wonder how many number hits Janet would have had if she churned out albums and singles during her peak i.e. released an album in 1991 and 1995? Same with Whitney...

Madonna and Mariah pretty much released stuff constantly during their peaks.

I would have much rathere seen Whitney release three albums of original material instead of soundtracks throughout the 90s. Some of her best work is from her soundtracks, but I don't really care much for her films besides Waiting To Exhale. Frankly I don't think Whitney is that great of an actress, she was put to shame in Waiting To Exhale but it was steal a great movie. I don't think Whitney cares about her sales as much as Mariah and Madonna do. Quality over quantity, right?

And as for Rihanna, more power to her. I actually like some of her songs, unlike Beyonce who I can't fucking stand. She's staying relevant, which is more than I can say about a lot of female entertainers out there (Brandy, Monica, Mya, Tweet (lol), Ciara, Keri Hilson to name a few).

Definitly agree with this!

Todays industry is fixated on image. You dont have to have killer vocals, be a great songwriter or musician to achieve similiar accolades a person who does all of the above have. I personally dont agree with it but that is just how it is today.

My thing is this... this has been going on for some time now so I am not quite sure why people try to make her the poster child for this when their are alot of other artists in her era bracket that are no better. (ex. Justin Bieber)

I just never understood her comparisions with Beyonce. The only arguement people bring in comparing her to Rihanna is that she can't sing but people leave out essential things they both have in commom: Beyonces music is just as generic as Rihannas and she markets a similiar sex image while it is not as reinventing as Rihannas. For the most part, they both sell a product and not artistically innovative artists so I dont see the grave difference.

While I dont care for the girls music at all, at least her music is not the same boring shit unlike alot of her peers even though its all still trash at the end of the day... Todays artists and the companies care more about staying relevant then putting out thought provoking artistic material which is why they shoot out a bunch of stuff to see what sticks..

I hate saying this but Rihanna is presently a bigger artist than Beyonce. And now that the latter is pregnant (allegedly), 30, about to be somebody's mother...it brings a different image. She was already moving downhill but the ball is rolling even faster now. It happens to everybody.

Rihanna is 23. She's all over the radio. Very popular with teens & the early 20s crowd - which is basically all that matters anyway. It's her time to shine. She's about to get another #1 next week.

i say good for her!!! and i don't get the Beyonce comparisons.

fun pop music, not hurting anyone. i don't think it's too much too soon. she's on her 6th album now?? her style is always changing, catchy music, add in controversy, gorgeous lady, worldwide appeal... her team are doing it just right i believe. she may end up with the most #1's soon enough.

keep on going RIHANNA!!

musicjunky318 said:

Rihanna is 23. She's all over the radio. Very popular with teens & the early 20s crowd - which is basically all that matters anyway. It's her time to shine. She's about to get another #1 next week.

read more abt Rihanna and find out interesting stuff : http://www.browsebiograph...hanna.html

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Is she making any money though?

musicjunky318 said:

I hate saying this but Rihanna is presently a bigger artist than Beyonce..

Bigger "artist" yes, but NOT a bigger "star". Rihanna may be doing better in just the MUSIC scene, but Beyonce is still overall a bigger household name. Beyonce is known as an entrepenuer (spelling), Rihanna isn't known for anything outside of the music world.

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I can;t stand Beyonce or Rihanna, but i'd rather see Beyonce on top than Rihanna.

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

I hate saying this but Rihanna is presently a bigger artist than Beyonce..

Bigger "artist" yes, but NOT a bigger "star". Rihanna may be doing better in just the MUSIC scene, but Beyonce is still overall a bigger household name. Beyonce is known as an entrepenuer (spelling), Rihanna isn't known for anything outside of the music world.

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Her looks. She does look like a black Barbie.

Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

I hate saying this but Rihanna is presently a bigger artist than Beyonce..

Bigger "artist" yes, but NOT a bigger "star". Rihanna may be doing better in just the MUSIC scene, but Beyonce is still overall a bigger household name. Beyonce is known as an entrepenuer (spelling), Rihanna isn't known for anything outside of the music world.

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I agree. Beyonce will also have the bigger career & overall legacy in the end. Rihanna is hot now but what's gonna happen when she's 30? Will she be able to be consistent in the same way? There's always someone younger and prettier to compete with.

musicjunky318 said:

Pressure said:

Bigger "artist" yes, but NOT a bigger "star". Rihanna may be doing better in just the MUSIC scene, but Beyonce is still overall a bigger household name. Beyonce is known as an entrepenuer (spelling), Rihanna isn't known for anything outside of the music world.

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I agree. Beyonce will also have the bigger career & overall legacy in the end. Rihanna is hot now but what's gonna happen when she's 30? Will she be able to be consistent in the same way? There's always someone younger and prettier to compete with.

The same thing that is happening to Beyonce. Once her time is over than another one will come and that is how the cycle is (doesnt matter how vocally talented you are or aren't because the game is about IMAGE not about authentic music or talent which neither both Beyonce or Rihanna have).... These arent real artists folks... their just pop stars for the moment. I think Rhinnas run might be alittle longer than Beyonces just because her music is more interesting and her people dont overexpose her.

By the time its all said and done... she will have the most number one's unfortunately... so while she might not have a huge legacy that is a major feet that by the time she reaches 30 people will still be talking about it.

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Beyonce is talented. There is no denying that. She is a pop star who has been overexposed.

Rihanna's career pacing has been better but she sucks. She has a medicore voice, can't dance and doesn't write songs. She is another example of the reason why so many no-talents delude themselves into believing they have "star quality" and go on these lame reality shows "So you think you can sing" or whatever and embarrass themselves. Its because the pop music industry has been redesigned (for years now) to be primarily image-driven. Because there is a team of PR and image consultants re-inventing their mannequin Rihanna every record, its easy to pump promotional dollars into her career and convince tweens to buy her merchandise. They have sewn that game up a long time ago. Rihanna is proof that their "system" works. Its like a pop star kit.

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BlaqueKnight said:

Beyonce is talented. There is no denying that. She is a pop star who has been overexposed.

Rihanna's career pacing has been better but she sucks. She has a medicore voice, can't dance and doesn't write songs. She is another example of the reason why so many no-talents delude themselves into believing they have "star quality" and go on these lame reality shows "So you think you can sing" or whatever and embarrass themselves. Its because the pop music industry has been redesigned (for years now) to be primarily image-driven. Because there is a team of PR and image consultants re-inventing their mannequin Rihanna every record, its easy to pump promotional dollars into her career and convince tweens to buy her merchandise. They have sewn that game up a long time ago. Rihanna is proof that their "system" works. Its like a pop star kit.

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Rihanna = Madonna as far as that description goes.

BlaqueKnight said:

Beyonce is talented. There is no denying that. She is a pop star who has been overexposed.

Rihanna's career pacing has been better but she sucks. She has a medicore voice, can't dance and doesn't write songs. She is another example of the reason why so many no-talents delude themselves into believing they have "star quality" and go on these lame reality shows "So you think you can sing" or whatever and embarrass themselves. Its because the pop music industry has been redesigned (for years now) to be primarily image-driven. Because there is a team of PR and image consultants re-inventing their mannequin Rihanna every record, its easy to pump promotional dollars into her career and convince tweens to buy her merchandise. They have sewn that game up a long time ago. Rihanna is proof that their "system" works. Its like a pop star kit.

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

BlaqueKnight said:

Beyonce is talented. There is no denying that. She is a pop star who has been overexposed.

Rihanna's career pacing has been better but she sucks. She has a medicore voice, can't dance and doesn't write songs. She is another example of the reason why so many no-talents delude themselves into believing they have "star quality" and go on these lame reality shows "So you think you can sing" or whatever and embarrass themselves. Its because the pop music industry has been redesigned (for years now) to be primarily image-driven. Because there is a team of PR and image consultants re-inventing their mannequin Rihanna every record, its easy to pump promotional dollars into her career and convince tweens to buy her merchandise. They have sewn that game up a long time ago. Rihanna is proof that their "system" works. Its like a pop star kit.

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We basically are saying the same thing. Okay I am not saying Beyonce isnt vocally talented which really all her talent lies because she doesnt write or is innovative either or are you seriously implying that?

Im trying to understand because just because she is a better singer than Rihnna doesnt make her authentic, original, groundbreaking or innovative. She has used the same tricks Rihanna has the only difference is she has vocals which really aint all that special in itself.

Yes Beyonce can sing although her talent is far from authentic SIMILIAR to Rihanna while she does possess some singing talent its really nothing special about it. Her talent which primarily is just singing alone can be easily duplicated similiar to Rihanna.

But besides all that I agree with you and said the same thing previously

mjscarousal said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Beyonce is talented. There is no denying that. She is a pop star who has been overexposed.

Rihanna's career pacing has been better but she sucks. She has a medicore voice, can't dance and doesn't write songs. She is another example of the reason why so many no-talents delude themselves into believing they have "star quality" and go on these lame reality shows "So you think you can sing" or whatever and embarrass themselves. Its because the pop music industry has been redesigned (for years now) to be primarily image-driven. Because there is a team of PR and image consultants re-inventing their mannequin Rihanna every record, its easy to pump promotional dollars into her career and convince tweens to buy her merchandise. They have sewn that game up a long time ago. Rihanna is proof that their "system" works. Its like a pop star kit.

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We basically are saying the same thing. Okay I am not saying Beyonce isnt vocally talented which really all her talent lies because she doesnt write or is innovative either or are you seriously implying that?

Im trying to understand because just because she is a better singer than Rihnna doesnt make her authentic, original, groundbreaking or innovative. She has used the same tricks Rihanna has the only difference is she has vocals which really aint all that special in itself.

Yes Beyonce can sing although her talent is far from authentic SIMILIAR to Rihanna while she does possess some singing talent its really nothing special about it. Her talent which primarily is just singing alone can be easily duplicated similiar to Rihanna.

But besides all that I agree with you and said the same thing previously

I don't know what you mean by authentic. If you can sing you can sing.

musicjunky318 said:

mjscarousal said:

We basically are saying the same thing. Okay I am not saying Beyonce isnt vocally talented which really all her talent lies because she doesnt write or is innovative either or are you seriously implying that?

Im trying to understand because just because she is a better singer than Rihnna doesnt make her authentic, original, groundbreaking or innovative. She has used the same tricks Rihanna has the only difference is she has vocals which really aint all that special in itself.

Yes Beyonce can sing although her talent is far from authentic SIMILIAR to Rihanna while she does possess some singing talent its really nothing special about it. Her talent which primarily is just singing alone can be easily duplicated similiar to Rihanna.

But besides all that I agree with you and said the same thing previously

I don't know what you mean by authentic. If you can sing you can sing.

But what if you can sing and your music sucks

What if you have vocal talent but you choose to yell and scream which technically isnt singing

Im not denying the girl can sing ( while I personally dont fine anything special about it)... but her MUSIC is the same as Rihannas in the essence that their both pop generic music... her music is not more better just because of her voice because both their music is far to be desired artistically..

I dont care how well you sing... if you come out with bad music I am not paying a nickle or a dime for it... period.

This seems to be the ONLY excuse with this chick.. and its not a good excuse ... if your going to compare be real and compare all aspects.. I dont care for both of them and find them both to be very overrated BUT at least Rihanna has more interesting music and her people try new things with her sound... just saying.

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mjscarousal said:

We basically are saying the same thing. Okay I am not saying Beyonce isnt vocally talented which really all her talent lies because she doesnt write or is innovative either or are you seriously implying that?

Im trying to understand because just because she is a better singer than Rihnna doesnt make her authentic, original, groundbreaking or innovative. She has used the same tricks Rihanna has the only difference is she has vocals which really aint all that special in itself.

Yes Beyonce can sing although her talent is far from authentic SIMILIAR to Rihanna while she does possess some singing talent its really nothing special about it. Her talent which primarily is just singing alone can be easily duplicated similiar to Rihanna.

But besides all that I agree with you and said the same thing previously

I disagree that her singing is not special. Its her unique singing style that got her noticed in the first place. That poly-scalic run thing she used to do in DC is what set her apart from other vocalists out at the time. As soon as you hear those runs, you knew it was Destiny's Child and you knew it was Beyonce. It gave her a uniqueness to go along with her proficiency.

I dislike most of her solo material but I like her voice. Her material is sub par.

And YES, they have used the same techniques to market Bey that they have used to market Rihanna.

The difference is someone with talent is at least worthy of being a pop star. The Rihannas and Britneys of pop are proof that marketing style over substance works. Rihanna has better tracks but can't sing worth shit. Hey, if that's what enertains you, far be it from me to say otherwise. I just don't "pretend" when it comes to music. I like some bullshit, too. I know when its bullshit and I'm not afraid to say it. I like Lil' Wayne's 6ft 7ft and I know damn well its bullshit. Its also simple and catchy, which is what I like about it. I would never try to call it brilliant. It is what it is.

I agree. Back in the late '90s, no one in R&B was doing what Beyonce was doing. No one. She was great vocally in her early years with Destiny's Child (1997-1999). I should've put her in the list of best child singers because she was 15 (not even 16 yet) when "No No No" came out.