kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

That would be interesting. I wonder, if Murray does testify, would the prosecution ask him about it?

probably, but we won't hold our breath for that! someone on another board was saying that murray taped mj on may 10, a little before he died. they noted that murray's story about 'weening' mj from propofol/drugs falls apart when you consider how drugged mj was in his presence on this day, presumable b/c murray had injected him. according to testimony today, murray continued to order even more benzos, propofol, etc. after this tape was made. how you gonna ween someone from a drug that you keep purchasing on his behalf? anyway, i personally think that this tape was made with some sort of extortion in mind down the road. i don't think there's any other reason for it. it's great for the prosecutors purposes, but i think murray made it with something else in mind.

I said on the first day of testimony when that tape got to TMZ and YouTube that Murray was probably gonna sell the tape to tabloids to make some quick cash in case Michael (or someone in his camp) fired him.

Gatdayum did y'all see ALL those bottles the prosecution pulled out?? That was insane!!

Just heard the full audio of Michael Jacksons slurred words...very very touching. Even then he talked about nothing but wanting to be remembered for his philanthropy and heling pain in childrens hearts.

paisleypark4 said:

Just heard the full audio of Michael Jacksons slurred words...very very touching. Even then he talked about nothing but wanting to be remembered for his philanthropy and heling pain in childrens hearts.

They played it live huh?

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Just heard the full audio of Michael Jacksons slurred words...very very touching. Even then he talked about nothing but wanting to be remembered for his philanthropy and heling pain in childrens hearts.

They played it live huh?

Yeah I googled it. Made me very sad that he was indeed secretly recorded at least, but happy people heard what he had to say without interruption and judgement.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

They played it live huh?

Yeah I googled it. Made me very sad that he was indeed secretly recorded at least, but happy people heard what he had to say without interruption and judgement.

True...

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Gatdayum did y'all see ALL those bottles the prosecution pulled out?? That was insane!!

Bottles of what? Propofol? It was that propofol that Murray had ordered? Didn't get to see the trial today because i had an appointment with my doctor so lost many things.

The nerve of Conrad asking Michael if he was alright...

Have to say as hard as he tried, Michael couldn't escape Joe Jackson. His voice sounds eerily like his.

prodigalfan said:

petes2 said:

did anyone think anything of a bottle of propofol in the iv bag? that maybe mike ripped open the bag and put it in himself? sounds odd that a bottle was found in a ripped iv bag.

Testimony says that MJ was found lying perfectly straight in bed. No awkard positon, or laid sprawled out across the bed. Within SECONDS of propofol in the amount needed to make him "go to sleep", MJ would have been passed out. He would not have time to arrange himself in the position that he was found in. Sorry, I don't believe MJ gave it to himself. I think this sorry azz doctor concotted his own propofol drip. You can't rip open the bag of saline. Very hard durable plastic... not like saran wrap. that bag was cut open.

exactly.. it's like saying someone shot themselves twice in the head with a shotgun!!

[Edited 10/5/11 19:15pm]

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

probably, but we won't hold our breath for that! someone on another board was saying that murray taped mj on may 10, a little before he died. they noted that murray's story about 'weening' mj from propofol/drugs falls apart when you consider how drugged mj was in his presence on this day, presumable b/c murray had injected him. according to testimony today, murray continued to order even more benzos, propofol, etc. after this tape was made. how you gonna ween someone from a drug that you keep purchasing on his behalf? anyway, i personally think that this tape was made with some sort of extortion in mind down the road. i don't think there's any other reason for it. it's great for the prosecutors purposes, but i think murray made it with something else in mind.

I said on the first day of testimony when that tape got to TMZ and YouTube that Murray was probably gonna sell the tape to tabloids to make some quick cash in case Michael (or someone in his camp) fired him.

DoffieParker said:

prodigalfan said:

Testimony says that MJ was found lying perfectly straight in bed. No awkard positon, or laid sprawled out across the bed. Within SECONDS of propofol in the amount needed to make him "go to sleep", MJ would have been passed out. He would not have time to arrange himself in the position that he was found in. Sorry, I don't believe MJ gave it to himself. I think this sorry azz doctor concotted his own propofol drip. You can't rip open the bag of saline. Very hard durable plastic... not like saran wrap. that bag was cut open.

exactly.. it's like saying someone shot themselves twice in the head with a shotgun!!

[Edited 10/5/11 19:15pm]

yep. and if murray had come back to find mj not where he left him, that would have been the first thing out of his mouth to the emts and the emergency room docs.

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Gatdayum did y'all see ALL those bottles the prosecution pulled out?? That was insane!!

i saw that, it's crazy how many bottles there were!

nursev said:

Negligence at its highest form- I just wish they would put this clown in jail already. He really makes medical professionals look bad, not just Black doctors, but all doctors and nurses. The fact that this man did not know proper cpr alone makes him liable. I have not listened to the tape of Michael's voice yet- I know it will make me cry.

I don't think I will listen to it.

purplethunder3121 said:

nursev said:

Negligence at its highest form- I just wish they would put this clown in jail already. He really makes medical professionals look bad, not just Black doctors, but all doctors and nurses. The fact that this man did not know proper cpr alone makes him liable. I have not listened to the tape of Michael's voice yet- I know it will make me cry.

I don't think I will listen to it.

If you react badly to things like that, yeah don't listen. I listen to it. Really sad, moving stuff.

well, it sounds more than anything like Murray is just a big fuckup, one wonders how a guy like that made it through the rigors of med school. Doctors "do harm" all the time, intentionally or not though but this is ridiculous, he sounds like a complete imbecile really. I'm getting tired of seeing his ugly face too, I wish I could sock him. Even 4 years wouldn't be enough, I saw on CNN, some entertainers were saying he should burn in hell forever, people had such love for mike that they don't want to hear anything but punishment. One person even said murray would get killed in the yard.

crazymouse said:

SHOCKADELICA1 said:

Gatdayum did y'all see ALL those bottles the prosecution pulled out?? That was insane!!

Bottles of what? Propofol? It was that propofol that Murray had ordered? Didn't get to see the trial today because i had an appointment with my doctor so lost many things.

Hell it was Propofol plus a bunch of others I can't even name!!! All they had been mentioning in the media was the Propofol and the Liazapam(or whatever it was) and today in court it was those 2 drugs PLUS a gaggle of other ones!! I was like WTF?? That shit went from one end of the table to the other. Just bottle, after bottle, after bottle, after bottle.......

That damn doctor needs 2 FRY!!

"Do no harm" my ass!!!

Damn shame.

Timmy84 said:

Have to say as hard as he tried, Michael couldn't escape Joe Jackson. His voice sounds eerily like his.

Yeah, but MJ is under the influence of drugs, his voice slowed down, he pulls words. It is difficult to judge.
The real voice of Michael, I think, is low, but not so rough.

^ Reminds me of Elvis' doctor... I still believed dude played a part in Elvis' early death. There was talk of pressing charges against Elvis' doctor too but it never got past the lawyer's offices. And Elvis' family surely didn't pursue it. Not necessarily the same as in Michael's case but dude had no right around those prescription drugs either.

LiLi1992 said:

Timmy84 said:

Have to say as hard as he tried, Michael couldn't escape Joe Jackson. His voice sounds eerily like his.

Yeah, but MJ is under the influence of drugs, his voice slowed down, he pulls words. It is difficult to judge.
The real voice of Michael, I think, is low, but not so rough.

The drugs make it real rough too.

Timmy84 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Yeah, but MJ is under the influence of drugs, his voice slowed down, he pulls words. It is difficult to judge.
The real voice of Michael, I think, is low, but not so rough.

The drugs make it real rough too.

I heard the voices of people who withdrew from the anesthesia in the real world, their voices at this point do not look like their real voices, almost impossible to find.
Try to slow down your voice even just by a computer program .... you will not know even your own voice.

So very very much doubt that the voice on the recording is very similar to a real voice MJ.
However, I think everyone knows that the public voice of Michael - a fake!

This will not be a popular opinion.

While the first week the prosecution was doing very well , this week thus far they have stalled.

This week has thus far been basically character assassination. Numerous girlfriends who come off as nothing more than opportunist at the very least and the Murrray buying large amounts of propafol.

Neither of these as of yet lead to proving involuntary manslaughter. Maybe the prosecution has something planned next week and is lead up to it. but I would think that if they had a stronger case they wouldnt be wasting time on who Murray was hooking up with.

lazycrockett said:

This will not be a popular opinion.

While the first week the prosecution was doing very well , this week thus far they have stalled.

This week has thus far been basically character assassination. Numerous girlfriends who come off as nothing more than opportunist at the very least and the Murrray buying large amounts of propafol.

Neither of these as of yet lead to proving involuntary manslaughter. Maybe the prosecution has something planned next week and is lead up to it. but I would think that if they had a stronger case they wouldnt be wasting time on who Murray was hooking up with.

Interesting analogy, not sure if I agree, but I can see why you would say that.

I would even say very good question - which I still can't fathom.

Interesting also to me that MJ, drugged as he was, happened to talk about very important and relevant things of real life - his concerts, plans for children hospital, etc.... Quite amazing for someone so drugged up/sick. I remember waking up from anesthesia for surgery in hospital: I couldn't even remember my name, let alone say it, or talk about my upcoming & future life plans!..

What a coincidence that MJ just happened to mention all the relevant/important things at that particular moment!..

Hum...

I can't find the full audio on the Net btw, only the fragment from last week.

angel345 said:

kibbles said:

has anyone ever said why murray was taping mj, presumably without his knowledge?

Good question.

The things he said in the voice recording are so touching and wonderful. It really makes me so sad that he never could do the things he really wanted to do.

Flo6 said:

I would even say very good question - which I still can't fathom.

Interesting also to me that MJ, drugged as he was, happened to talk about very important and relevant things of real life - his concerts, plans for children hospital, etc.... Quite amazing for someone so drugged up/sick. I remember waking up from anesthesia for surgery in hospital: I couldn't even remember my name, let alone say it, or talk about my upcoming & future life plans!..

What a coincidence that MJ just happened to mention all the relevant/important things at that particular moment!..

Hum...

I can't find the full audio on the Net btw, only the fragment from last week.

angel345 said:

Good question.

http://www.washingtonpost...video.html

I don't believe this recording is fake, but what if it was? Cause he sounds awful in some parts, and close to okay in others...maybe it's just me, though it's all so sad too and I feel bad for even wondering that. I do believe he had good intentions for sure and I hope someone opens that hospital on his behalf.

lazycrockett said:

This will not be a popular opinion.

While the first week the prosecution was doing very well , this week thus far they have stalled.

This week has thus far been basically character assassination. Numerous girlfriends who come off as nothing more than opportunist at the very least and the Murrray buying large amounts of propafol.

Neither of these as of yet lead to proving involuntary manslaughter. Maybe the prosecution has something planned next week and is lead up to it. but I would think that if they had a stronger case they wouldnt be wasting time on who Murray was hooking up with.

I hear you lazycrockett. I think last week was about "shock and awe". They came out strong establishing him as guilty as charged in the minds of the jury. This week seems to be less sensational and more intricate in the details highlighting his liability and calculated incompetence as a doctor and his distraction wit dem hoes on the phone.

I'm sure there's a method to their madness. I've already concluded that he's guilty (like most people in the world), my concern is his punishment more than likely won't fit the crime. Besides, even if he did get sentenced to 4 years, odds are he'd be released early anyway. Either way none of this will bring Mike back of course but damn... You still want to see justice to the fullest extent of the law.

Oh thank you!

I just listened to it...

I can't help feeling awfully suspicious about the recording...

I have no idea why they would fake it, what their motives would be or how they would use it [I don't know enough about the ins & outs and ramifications on both sides of this case], and how this could be done technically [I don't know anything about audio], but my first thought was that it seems he is reading the text from a script [paper or screen]. It's the particular time and pacing between the thoughts and sentences that gave me that feeling.

Then, content-wise, it's an incredibly coherent text! I mean, all the major ideas, concerns, priorities and interests he had in his life - children, children's projects/hospitals, God, his performances, his audience's reception, his upcoming This Is It concert - it's all there, in 20-30 or so lines of text [barely a couple of minutes of speech it seemed to me].

For someone who was sick, severely sleep-deprived and "drugged out of his mind" to quote earlier comments in last week's thread, and barely able to utter 2 sentences at a more or less normal pace [according to this recording] that's an astounding achievement, to produce such a coherent, concise yet comprehensive speech!...

To think, I can't put 2 sentences together when I just have a simple stomachache, let alone discourse about my past and my life's future plans!...

My verdict: Not only there is more to this case than we can see, but there is also more than we can hear!...

paisleypark4 said:

Flo6 said:

I would even say very good question - which I still can't fathom.

Interesting also to me that MJ, drugged as he was, happened to talk about very important and relevant things of real life - his concerts, plans for children hospital, etc.... Quite amazing for someone so drugged up/sick. I remember waking up from anesthesia for surgery in hospital: I couldn't even remember my name, let alone say it, or talk about my upcoming & future life plans!..

What a coincidence that MJ just happened to mention all the relevant/important things at that particular moment!..

Hum...

I can't find the full audio on the Net btw, only the fragment from last week.

http://www.washingtonpost...video.html