prodigalfan said:

lazycrockett said:

^Well I dont see how they "couldnt determine the contents" of what was in the stomach. If the coroner for whatever reason cant state what was or wasnt in the the stomach then the defense has reasonable doubt.

As far as how can they test the contents... I think they keep samples of tissue, body fluid etc in some sort of stabilized sample so that if additional tests need to be performed, they have the samples to run, just like they did during the original autopsy.

The problem comes in, if the coroner didn't gather the sample, didn't gather enough so they ran out, the sample has become compromised during storage... (not preserved properly) or if there becomes reasonable doubt for source of the sample..(doubt that it was indeed MJ's tissue etc.)

Maybe Babynoz can enlighten us about possible reasons that the defense is revisting the stomach content issue... because I thought this angle had been thoroughly examined prior to the court case.

I don't recall what was in the initial toxicology report but did the defense raise the lorazepam argument after their contention that MJ drank the propofol fell apart? Now the prosecutor is having to re-test to determine whether the level of lorazepam was a factor?

You're right that it's pretty routine that there would have been some samples preseved at least through the end of the trial and even throughout the appeal process. I don't know a lot about forensics, but as long as the sample was properly preserved, re-testing it shouldn't be a big issue...ick!

Regardless, I don't think it helps the defense all that much since Murray was still negligent in improperly monitoring his patient and he still failed to administer the correct treatment when he found MJ in respiratory arrest.

babynoz said:

prodigalfan said:

Maybe Babynoz can enlighten us about possible reasons that the defense is revisting the stomach content issue... because I thought this angle had been thoroughly examined prior to the court case.

I don't recall what was in the initial toxicology report but did the defense raise the lorazepam argument after their contention that MJ drank the propofol fell apart? Now the prosecutor is having to re-test to determine whether the level of lorazepam was a factor?

You're right that it's pretty routine that there would have been some samples preseved at least through the end of the trial and even throughout the appeal process. I don't know a lot about forensics, but as long as the sample was properly preserved, re-testing it shouldn't be a big issue...ick!

Regardless, I don't think it helps the defense all that much since Murray was still negligent in improperly monitoring his patient and he still failed to administer the correct treatment when he found MJ in respiratory arrest.

There it is right there.

babynoz said:

prodigalfan said:

Maybe Babynoz can enlighten us about possible reasons that the defense is revisting the stomach content issue... because I thought this angle had been thoroughly examined prior to the court case.

I don't recall what was in the initial toxicology report but did the defense raise the lorazepam argument after their contention that MJ drank the propofol fell apart? Now the prosecutor is having to re-test to determine whether the level of lorazepam was a factor?

You're right that it's pretty routine that there would have been some samples preseved at least through the end of the trial and even throughout the appeal process. I don't know a lot about forensics, but as long as the sample was properly preserved, re-testing it shouldn't be a big issue...ick!

Regardless, I don't think it helps the defense all that much since Murray was still negligent in improperly monitoring his patient and he still failed to administer the correct treatment when he found MJ in respiratory arrest.

and there it is! That is it in a nutshell. All this other stuff is bullshit. really it is. because there is NO doubt in my head it was the FREAKIN Propofol. It put him in a medically induced coma without protection to his airway. BINGO!!!

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:

I don't recall what was in the initial toxicology report but did the defense raise the lorazepam argument after their contention that MJ drank the propofol fell apart? Now the prosecutor is having to re-test to determine whether the level of lorazepam was a factor?

You're right that it's pretty routine that there would have been some samples preseved at least through the end of the trial and even throughout the appeal process. I don't know a lot about forensics, but as long as the sample was properly preserved, re-testing it shouldn't be a big issue...ick!

Regardless, I don't think it helps the defense all that much since Murray was still negligent in improperly monitoring his patient and he still failed to administer the correct treatment when he found MJ in respiratory arrest.

There it is right there.

I said almost the same thing verbatim. Good minds think alike.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

There it is right there.

I said almost the same thing verbatim. Good minds think alike.

kibbles said:

lazycrockett said:

if the defense can make the claim and prove that the coroner didnt do a complete stomach analysis till 2 years after MJ's death, then this case is dead in the water.

yeah, so dead in the water.

except for the fact that the DEFENSE'S analysis is wrong, leaving the defense to try to account for their inaccuracies (hence the reason for the trial delay), not to mention their client's repeated lies and omissions throughout the investigation, i see what you mean. (, you're grasping again.)

I don't see what testing the stomach contents can prove. If the pills were still in MJ's stomach, that means they didn't digest. If they did digest, then there would be elevated levels in his system to reflect that. If the pills had not digested, then they couldn't have killed him.

Since the trial resumes tomorrow a new thread is now in play. Im sure this thread will be locked so feel free to continue the discussion over there.