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PrintableDavidEye said: heavyfunk said: I think you need to do some reading and some watching. Look on JB albums especially soul pride (the instrumentals 1960-1969. JB plays drums and keybords plus some funky organ. Before you type do some history. Most of the time I see Brown in concert he plays Keyboard and drums.
I'm only gonna say this one more time,so pay close attention... I didn't say that James Brown COULDN'T play any instruments,I'm just saying that I have never personally seen him play any.I have gone to 6 different James Brown concerts throughout the years and he has never picked up an instrument at these shows.I think it's safe to say that,for the most part, he is known more as a "song and dance man" (like Michael) instead of a guitarist,keyboardist,or a master of any other instrument.My whole point is,why does any of this matter? He is still considered a "genuis" to many. ... [This message was edited Mon Feb 17 15:19:39 PST 2003 by DavidEye] Good Morning Everyone, Exactly Davideye!!! It doesn't matter to me one way or the other how Mike is classified. I was simply just trying to give another viewpoint add a balance to the discussion, if you will. As far as me being a MJ fanatic. This is not true. I don't even own every thing that he has EVER put out. Jazz music is my baby!!! Anyway, I'm tired of talking about Mike. Interesting thread though... to say the least. BR0915 | |
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rdhull said: Jade said: I wouldn't ever classify Jackson as a musical genius. I'd give credit where it's due though and say that he is an excellent entertainer. There is a lot of merit in that because not everyone has the natural ability for stage presence nor the ability to command an audience that crosses generations.
And that's all many of us are trying to say in so many words, but you have so many fanatics here with Michael Jacksons make-up on its damn near impossible for them to comprehend that. rdhull, do you consider prince a musical genius? if so, why? don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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genius 1 a: an exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability or tendency. b: a person having this.
That suggests to me that MJ is indeed a genius. | |
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Cloudbuster said: genius 1 a: an exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability or tendency. b: a person having this.
That suggests to me that MJ is indeed a genius. well, glad we got that out of the way. don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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locoarts said: * NOW that MJ has Badmouthed his Record Company.. The News Media is doing Special after Special after Documentary on MJ's Face..
Actually I think the Media is going hog wild on MJ specials because they get ratings. If there were low ratings for the Bashir interview we possibly wouldn't have been subjected to 5 hours of MJ on USA TV last night. MJ's Face looked about the same 10 years ago.. his face was white.. his nose was messed up.. he had surgeries monthly back then too.. BUT The News Media didn't nail him??!!!.. Because it is safer & easier to kick someone when they are down. Think of vultures. And yes without Sony to protect him there is no danger of fallout from attacking him. There is no one to pressure the Media to go easy on him. | |
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Y'all need 2 stop hatin' on Mike.He never did anything to you.He is just a tellented "entertainer"not a "musician" like Prince.He never claimed 2 be that so yes in his own right he is a genius.  **************************************************
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locoarts said: GoldNigga said: Michael Jackson can credit himself with playing guitar, keyboards, piano, drums or whatever on his albums, but nobody has ever seen him play any instrument in his career which spans more than 30 years. MJ doesn't play any instruments. [H]e never picked up an instrument. GOLDNIGGA, LOCOARTS, ET AL., EXCUSE MY INTRUSION ON YOUR PARTY BUT... You'll find Jackson has played instruments. Sir George Martin, producer for The Beatles, described Jackson's keyboard skills as rudimentary when they recorded Say, Say, Say with Paul McCartney in 1983. Quincy Jones has also noted Jackson's ability to play instruments on many occasions in the past. A number of people on this thread seem to be mixing issues. The first concerns the dispute - Does he or doesn't he play an instrument(s)? - The answer is affirmative as corroborated with the evidence given above. The second matter relates to Jackson's level of proficiency. And it's safe to assume that his playing skills fall somewhere between 'basic' to 'average' in the range of ability. As someone pointed out, if his capabilty was any higher we would probably have seen him perfom with an instrument live in concert. Please note however, that we haven't seen him play in concert cannot be used as a conclusive indication that he's unable and/or doesn't play in other circumstances (i.e. studio, personal recreation, etc.). OK, so we've established two key points crucial to our debate: 1. Jackson can play. 2. He can't play like say...Prince. Certainly not. (How many can lay that claim?) But he can play to some small degree. My two euros 
PS: Regarding the word 'genius'...IMO, it's simply overused, that's all. These days it merely takes a couple of hit records before the accolades start flying. Nobody called Rockwell a genius. Is MJ one such genius? I don't care. But I do appreciate the music he's created over the best part of 30 years. M.2.K
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jonylawson said: i would love to be enlightened and perhaps even corrected!
it doesnt take alot to see why the tag of genius is acredited to prince,stevie wonder,miles davis.but mj??? thriller?off the wall?brilliant albums but NOTHING without quincy jones. bad?commercial shit(pepsis cool ya know it..).dangerous?.do you anyone over the age of 7 who can play this now with a straight face? apart from the fact that he cant play an instrument,rarely writes his own stuff,appears now as a moonwalking one trick pony,all his post thriller music sounds so cold and souless as its seen to be played all by session musicians and computers, his music is so geared towards making more money its almost sickening(too many instances but the main one being the last album HOW MUCH DID THAT COST??) BUT my the main issue of contension is to me is that he has reduced the art of music to be seen as product or as a commodity..the ultimate capitilist.an album every four or five years?where is the love or passion for music??? a genuis???at what???somebody please enlighten me. you know i didn't take the time to read everyones post. but i checked the profiles of one of the critics of your post and they are younger than you and i and they've been bombarded with so much pop music in the last what five to ten years maybe (maybe 10 years is stretching it) they don't realize that you don't have to be in the public eye all the time to be considered a genius. what stevie wonder has done no one else in this business including prince can hold a candle to. maybe stevie knows he's been performing since he was a child and he knows when its time to step back and let the work speak for itself. prince has stated long time ago he doen't want to be in the pop market. he still puts out music but it's for those of us who want to listen to more than just britney spears. micheal jackson is a great entertainer, but you can only moonwalk so much. im a dancer and i was 12-13 when thriller came out and the thrill was gone when i learned to moonwalk. stevie and prince have re-invented themselves and have touched on many subjects. throughout their careers. let's be real how many of you without looking at the lyrics even understand what the hell michael is talking about in his songs. a true performer can also perform at anytime when asked to. without excuses. i believe a genius as far as music is concerned is someone who can write, play,and produce and record on their own, and when you look at the liner notes on their album's there's no one elses name on the credits but their own. that's a genius cause nobody gets the credit but them. | |
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purpleone said: rdhull said: Jade said: I wouldn't ever classify Jackson as a musical genius. I'd give credit where it's due though and say that he is an excellent entertainer. There is a lot of merit in that because not everyone has the natural ability for stage presence nor the ability to command an audience that crosses generations.
And that's all many of us are trying to say in so many words, but you have so many fanatics here with Michael Jacksons make-up on its damn near impossible for them to comprehend that. rdhull, do you consider prince a musical genius? if so, why? If so its because his agility with many instruments and the ability to play what ever is in his head at a moments notice on a many instruments and to be able to lay that track and the whole song in less than a day ..thought, written, played, recorded, produced..all seemingly effortlessly. Now there s many others who can do this and they may or may not be on par with prince but im just saying with the stuff he has produced in that manner (unheard of sounds or arangements etc) put him kind of up there in my book..with the studio wizardry as part of the equation. "Climb in my fur." | |
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yeah, yeah - MJ is a genius all right - a genius at pulling the wool over some very disillusioned people's eyes!
move over MJ and clear the path for a REAL musician (y'all know who i'm talking about) | |
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i guess the world is too small of a place for more than one genius to exist. too bad, so sad.  | |
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how can u even have a conversation over whether michael jackson or prince or whoever is a genius! unless u r a musician urself u dont know shit!
i know a few ppl studying music at university and they always have this conversation over who is the best pop musician prince or mj??? u know the one??? The teachers always say mj's music is much more perfected, melodic and it follows the rules!! prince it seems doesnt know the rules and sometimes the teachers would b like "what the..." what is he doin! | |
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FunkyBrotha said: how can u even have a conversation over whether michael jackson or prince or whoever is a genius! unless u r a musician urself u dont know shit!
i know a few ppl studying music at university and they always have this conversation over who is the best pop musician prince or mj??? u know the one??? The teachers always say mj's music is much more perfected, melodic and it follows the rules!! prince it seems doesnt know the rules and sometimes the teachers would b like "what the..." what is he doin! The RULES?  This is just sad, sad, sad... "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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FunkyBrotha said: how can u even have a conversation over whether michael jackson or prince or whoever is a genius! unless u r a musician urself u dont know shit!
i know a few ppl studying music at university and they always have this conversation over who is the best pop musician prince or mj??? u know the one??? The teachers always say mj's music is much more perfected, melodic and it follows the rules!! prince it seems doesnt know the rules and sometimes the teachers would b like "what the..." what is he doin! Also, "You know a few ppl at University studying music." But not you right?  So I guess if you're not a university educated musician, then you wouldn't know what a genius was either if it came up and bit you in the ass, right? You just walked right into that one. 
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Mr funky brotha,
Please get a life and dream about you and MJ sharing a pillow in never Neverland. How many instruments does MJ plays ? Probably only his own horn. If you think Prince is not a true musician why did Miles Davis want to play with him? Why do Santana, Lenny Kravitz and Vanessa Mae still wanna play with him ? Heal the world and deliver us from MJ and the rest of his fans. "u can boo all you want, but Holland is funky "
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as much i appreciate MJ, playing by the rules is no measure of genius. i didn't know playing by rules when it comes to any form of art is even respectable! thank goodness Miles didn't play by the rules or Dylan or Coltrane and especially Prince! Finding new rules is far better than following old ones. | |
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its one thing 2 b adventurous, and bend the rules, but 2 not have a clue is another!!! | |
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FunkyBrotha said: its one thing 2 b adventurous, and bend the rules, but 2 not have a clue is another!!!
So what you're saying is that Prince has "no clue" when it comes to writing music? Is that it?  I'm just trying to understand if that's what you're saying, because if it is, then what are you doing on prince.org anyway? I know this is the Non-Prince Music Forum, but I was under the assumption that most of us here were admirers of Prince to some degree, otherwise what would have led you to here in the first place?
It think you are at the wrong address: ikissmichaeljacksonsass.com is that-a-way  !"I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Cloudbuster said: genius 1 a: an exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability or tendency. b: a person having this.
Way To Put it out there For Dirty GARY.that is a Name in the MJJ Spot We Call MJ because He is from GARY Indiana.That suggests to me that MJ is indeed a genius. mistermaxxx | |
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minneapolisgenius said: FunkyBrotha said: its one thing 2 b adventurous, and bend the rules, but 2 not have a clue is another!!!
So what you're saying is that Prince has "no clue" when it comes to writing music? Is that it? I'm just trying to understand if that's what you're saying, because if it is, then what are you doing on prince.org anyway? I know this is the Non-Prince Music Forum, but I was under the assumption that most of us here were admirers of Prince to some degree, otherwise what would have led you to here in the first place?
It think you are at the wrong address: ikissmichaeljacksonsass.com is that-a-way !This "Funkybrotha" lists Bon Jovi as a favourite artist so don't worry too much. It's always sad to me when to defend one artist (In this case MJ) in the process somebody has to bitterly pull down another (In this case Prince). | |
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u contradicted urself, because u just pulled down bon jovi!
bon jovi's music is perfect rock music, u cant go wrong with it it follows the rules and millions love it!! prince isnt following rules like mj and others because he was never taught the rules, i think a lot of ppl forget that Michael Jackson actually has a degree in music, prince just picked up a guitar and started making things up! | |
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FunkyBrotha said: u contradicted urself, because u just pulled down bon jovi!
I think Both MJ&Prince are Musical genius to Me.both Know Music Theory but neither went at Schools at great lengths for it.MJ been Hustling His Music since He was 5 Years Old&Prince was a Young Teen Getting His Craft on in the Studio ain't no Degrees there but they Shoot straight to the Top.Bon Jovi:they are Aight to Me nothing more or nothing less IMHO.bon jovi's music is perfect rock music, u cant go wrong with it it follows the rules and millions love it!! prince isnt following rules like mj and others because he was never taught the rules, i think a lot of ppl forget that Michael Jackson actually has a degree in music, prince just picked up a guitar and started making things up! mistermaxxx | |
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FunkyBrotha said: u contradicted urself, because u just pulled down bon jovi!
bon jovi's music is perfect rock music, u cant go wrong with it it follows the rules and millions love it!! prince isnt following rules like mj and others because he was never taught the rules, i think a lot of ppl forget that Michael Jackson actually has a degree in music, prince just picked up a guitar and started making things up! I wasn't pulling down one artist to big up another though, just dissing Bon Jovi outright. No contradiction.  | |
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people forget how brilliant MJ really is the guy could sing, write, dance, his videos are excellent and his stage presense and the energy he puts off is second to no one! i recommend that some of the MJ haters listen to earth song stranger in moscow, human nature, i cant help it these songs are awesome | |
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how is he a genius?
20 years after Thriller came out, he's dominating the February TV sweeps period. now THAT is genius. | |
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FunkyBrotha said: bon jovi's music is perfect rock music, u cant go wrong with it it follows the rules and millions love it!! prince isnt following rules like mj and others because he was never taught the rules, i think a lot of ppl forget that Michael Jackson actually has a degree in music, prince just picked up a guitar and started making things up! This is some wet behind the ears bullshit if there ever was. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Vashti said: He's NOT a musical genius..he's an "entertainer"..there is a BIG difference. He has done NOTHING for the music industry EXCEPT for bringing dance and music videos to the standards it is today. There's a difference between "Musician and Vegas performer" It's like comparing "Zanphir - master of the pan flute :LOL: with Sigfreid and Roy"
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AaronUnlimited said: how is he a genius?
You don't know Jack about Dirty Gary.Bring yourself&the MJ Haters on Over to the MJJ Forum&We Will set you straight.I ain't gonna name any names with who is done over there but MJ Haters are getting Laughed at.Brother915 Put it down on "Dirty Gary" as We Call MJ.20 years after Thriller came out, he's dominating the February TV sweeps period. now THAT is genius. mistermaxxx | |
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mistermaxxx said: AaronUnlimited said: how is he a genius?
You don't know Jack about Dirty Gary.Bring yourself&the MJ Haters on Over to the MJJ Forum&We Will set you straight.I ain't gonna name any names with who is done over there but MJ Haters are getting Laughed at.Brother915 Put it down on "Dirty Gary" as We Call MJ.20 years after Thriller came out, he's dominating the February TV sweeps period. now THAT is genius. To be fair I don't see why it's funny? Many opinions on this thread consider "Dirty Gary" isn't a genius is all. Hmmm I did laugh a little at FunkyBrotha's posts though.  | |
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