phew!so it seems that most folks think mikes shit is tired!!!cant argue there!
one of the most telling things though is...that documentry almost 2 hours long and what % covered music?exactly.
this is a guy who can sell his shit to pepsi AND the beatles to nike.
dont give me that black and white shit...SELLING THE BEATLES TO NIKE???fuck you jackson did u really need the money 2 buy some new plant pots(he spent millions buying those urns then has the audicity to turn up in germany coz he auctioned his jacket for 16000..whooo very genorous mike)
but on a serious note a grown man admits to sleeping with children...you and i would be arrested or at least be investigated by the authorities FACT
heal the world mike?HEAL YOUR CONSCIENCE MUTHAFU**ER!

Jade said:

And that's all many of us are trying to say in so many words, but you have so many fanatics here with Michael Jacksons make-up on its damn near impossible for them to comprehend that.

PS..RDHULL..your a funny man!i enjoyed reading those threads!

jonylawson said:

but thats unfair..Mike is the only one in the world who did not have a childhood or who had a rough one.

rdhull said:


That's what I've been trying to say all along! And not just on this thread either. That's why this thread should be changed to (as I've said before) the "Jockin' M.J. Thread."

rdhull said:

unlike your Fan Club in here I don't find you Amusing&Brother915 Made a Solid Post Period.you can't take it because somebody else Defended MJ's as a Artist Properly&you are just Madd because you couldn't match what He said.I Acknowledge MJ's Talent&Genius but I ain't never said the Cat is Flawless he is far from it&I haven't dug a Album of His since 91 all the way through."Stranger in Moscow" is the Last Great Song He has done IMHO as well.you don't know Nothing about MJ My friend.you need Me,Brother915,DavidEye&June7 To School you.the truth is MJ Fans on here know the Deal&can back it up Learn from us,Listen to Us&Take Notes because you are off the mark with MJ.

Have at him RD!
I can't even begin to deal with these .

only MJ Fans Speak the truth&also balance out things Good&Bad with His Work.the Question was is He a Genius?& I say HELL YEAH! Now MJ Haters Step Off

heavyfunk said:

I'm only gonna say this one more time,so pay close attention...

I didn't say that James Brown COULDN'T play any instruments,I'm just saying that I have never personally seen him play any.I have gone to 6 different James Brown concerts throughout the years and he has never picked up an instrument at these shows.I think it's safe to say that,for the most part, he is known more as a "song and dance man" (like Michael) instead of a guitarist,keyboardist,or a master of any other instrument.My whole point is,why does any of this matter? He is still considered a "genuis" to many.



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[This message was edited Mon Feb 17 15:19:39 PST 2003 by DavidEye]

DavidEye said:

Thank You.just like George CLinton.He doesn't Run around with a Instrument in His Hand but His Mouth But He is Considered a "DON" of the Funk&You Can't dare Say that Clinton isn't Mentioned as a Genius because He is&He has Surrounded Himself with a A+ Level Musicianship Period.Right ON DavidEye&Yes I have Seen JB as well&He didn't go over on the Organ as I've seen Him do on Video when I went to go see Him Play but He Lead the Band.

savoirfaire said:

More overrated than Elvis?

MJ I feel has near enough came to the end of his musical career, todays audience like their MJ vibe with Justin Timberlake's youthful face on it now. Hell there's a new generation coming through who are influenced by MJ's disciples (Ginuwine, Usher etc) and pretty ignorant to the man himself.

Essence said:

You Are Right Essence in that The Market Place are Buying Acts Clone Elements of Him&The Record Companys Paying for it to appear that way.but again for anyone to Question His Musical Depth the Fact that there are Clone Acts Racking up off Him adds another Chapter to His Legacy.You Know you are Something else when you are Clonned more than a Couple of times.

mistermaxxx said:

Are you related to Natasha?For real tho.I want u to re-read what you just said.

[Snipped. Ian].

It's important to stick to the subject, not the people within the debate.

I guess this thread should have been deleted, as it did go after the "music fan" and not the music/musician.

Beat ya to it LaV, sorry

I removed the flames, and have unlocked the thread (I locked it earlier).

RD and Mistermaxxx - get a room or something and keep your squabbles off the forum.

Now this bit is just my own opinion...

As for MJ... he's talented but the word "genius" gets bandied around far too much. Prince and MJ are just fucking pop musicians, they aren't geniuses in my opinion, just very talented guys.

MJ is extremely talented... but I do feel that the body of work he is left with after a long career doesn't do him justice... it's also pretty small when you look at it and compare it with Prince's eclectic path he carved out for himself...

ian said:

you're a hater.

rdhull said:

I know. Help me man! I wanna be a lover, not a fighter

Looks thru thread...


Da horror. Da utter horror.

GoldNigga said:

so u dont have proof...you're just saying this based on 'speculation' & 'rumors'.
ie; looking for something else on which 2 tear down Michael.
lame

Joshy84au said:

wheres your proof?

Joshy84au said:

You Are Cool You should Know MJ Fans truly have to Fight in here&It's a Unnecessary Battle.But Props to You Brother915,DavidEYE for Being Classy,Intelligent&Being Cool People.truth be told it might come down to MJ being Outlawed here because there isn't much Class&Respect Shown for My Tastes.on the MJJ Forum I'm On there are Prince Fans&Some folks who don't like Prince but nevertheless Respect is Shown&Never gets Personal or Tasteless.I Applaud the MJ Fans&Also Folks that Spoke on the Man&His Talent with Class&Intellligence.

Thanks to the people who disucssed MJ using proper syntax and grammar and knowing the difference between "there" and "their"... regardless of your views,thanks.

Supernova said:

i...i can't take it...


exits stage left

rdhull said:

The bottom line is that anything can be put into album credits. Prince could release an album crediting himself with playing the sax. Nobody is going to believe it unless they have seen him playing a sax at some point in his career.

Michael Jackson can credit himself with playing guitar, keyboards, piano, drums or whatever on his albums, but nobody has ever seen him play any instrument in his career which spans more than 30 years.

In the documentary, MJ is seated at a piano and is asked to play something to show how he makes music. He says he's "too shy" to play. So what does the king of pop do to demonstrate how he creates his music? He gets up and does his same moonwalk, robot and kick spin dance moves that he's been doing since 1982.

ok. ok. Perhaps we throw the word "genius" around too much. Eminem is called genius. The Beatles were called genius. Prince is called genius. Albert Einstein was called genius. As were Adam Smith and Justin Timberlake. I suppose it is all a matter of opinion. After all, what are the qualifications of genius? I'm not talking about the webster dictionary definition of genius, either. Michael Jackson certainly raised the bar when it comes to dance and performance. He also raised the bar when it came to production value on an LP. To call MJ a genius is not to discredit another genius (such as Prince or Adam Smith). And to call Justin Timberlake and Eminem a genius is not to make it necessarily true. Michael Jackson is the best at what HE does. When others try to imitate or emulate, they fail. This certainly puts him in a class all by himself.

IMHO MJ is Held to Standards&Expectations that always make me Ask Why? like He still has to Prove Himself or something??Mike done Made it Take it or Leave it.

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The bottom line is that anything can be put into album credits. Prince could release an album crediting himself with playing the sax. Nobody is going to believe it unless they have seen him playing a sax at some point in his career.

Michael Jackson can credit himself with playing guitar, keyboards, piano, drums or whatever on his albums, but nobody has ever seen him play any instrument in his career which spans more than 30 years.

In the documentary, MJ is seated at a piano and is asked to play something to show how he makes music. He says he's "too shy" to play. So what does the king of pop do to demonstrate how he creates his music? He gets up and does his same moonwalk, robot and kick spin dance moves that he's been doing since 1982. [/quote]

100% AGREE!

MJ doesn't play any instruments.. never has.. if he did with his ego he would show us.. I watched a 1993 THREE Hour Concert of MJ's Dangerous Tour , I beleve... well it is on VH1 every other month..

and for 3 hours all MJ did was Lip Sync and repeat dance moves from his past career (J5 exact moves from Tv appearance, Solo Video Dance Moves,ect) NOTHING AT ALL New!!??.. soo soo sooo BORING! You would think in 3 hours IF you played anything you would break up such a 99% Lip Synced show with maybe playing Guitar, anything.. hey how about sing live the slow songs! Actually if you watch the concert, he does sing "Human Nature" and Mj is Totally Off Key! Which explains his Lip Syncing 99% of every Public performance..

But no he never picked up an instrument.. NEVER in this concert, he actually played "Air Guitar" next to the Guitarist.. which was stupid and yet another Ego-Driven "hey only look at me".. not letting another performer on stage have a 3 seconde moment..( He did this yet again in his 2001 CBS Concert when Usher was dancing on stage and poppin,glidin' & poppin at the end of the concert.. but what happens when Usher is glidin past MJ.. Michael stiff arms him and starts doing is TOTALLY OFF/STIFF crappy breakdancing moves..) such a loser.. He was worried to be upstage by a better dancer then him.(which he was!! Usher kicked his AZZ and did an amazing job glidin' in huge combat boots!)

As for The Bashir Interview.. yet again NO Musical Talent yet again.. just the same Rehash of a dance move he introduce to the White Public 20 Years Ago?? (shhh lets not bring up the "backslide" the real name for the "moonwalk".. was done on Soul Train by Electric Boogaloo in 1979)

But yes it was amazing to the White Public when introduce to them in 1983 on Motown 25th.. Hey I am white, and I was amazed..it was!! But I bet if we had a Internet Back then in 1983.. tons and tons of Breakdancers,fans of Black Music would have posted a link to a video clip.. showing dozens of dancers doing it years and years before.. Us "whitey's were amazed"

But again it was amazing to most of the public that didn't see much Soul Train.. BUT for MJ to "stay in that moment" and Dilute that moment, by doing it over and over for 20 years on almost every Tv Apearance.. and STILL be called a "entertainer" or even funnier a "genius" :LOL: thats crazy! To Repeat a moment in time over and over?? Like some awful Celebrity Impersonator/Vegas Act.. is sad!

* Watching that Bashir Interview WE all see how much Music is on MJ's mind.. which is maybe 2%.. ALL I think about is Prince playing amazing Guitar on the Afterahow Disk..OR maybe Paul Mc Cartney after his amzing fame of the beatles.. to start yet another bad Wings! which is amazing in itself!

But seeing MJ all day bored out of his mind, playing with a Skateboard Video Game going "whooo whoo whooo" instead of practicing his Craft which should be MUSIC!! Not releasing yet another stupid story to the media.

It is sooo sad that in 2003 That German Kid dancer/fan (in the martin bashir interview) is a BETTER Dancer then Michael Jackson... forget about his face.. look at the HUGE Gut he has now!

MJ should just shut up!! retire, enjoy all the money he made.. enjoy raising his kids.. and that it! because if he doesn't and still wants to run this fake "legacy" career he has tried to say is the truth since 1988, The Media and yes the Public in general will NAIL him everytime he puts anything out..

It ain't going to get better!! NOW that SONY doesn't care.

MJ is fair game!! and ALL that crap SONY'S Public Relation's Department covered up all through the Mid 1980s -2000.. Is now over and he will NEVER have that velvet glove the new media gave him.

Example:

Why all through the 1990's was Prince being smashed by the news media/music media about "Changing" his name..being called a NUT/Weird..ect

when at the SAMETIME MJ was "Changing" HIS FACE?? But nothing is really said

Prince got waaay worst press? changing your name compared to changing your face???

Why: Prince Badmouthed The Record Industry and His Record Company.. MJ Didn't

* NOW that MJ has Badmouthed his Record Company.. The News Media is doing Special after Special after Documentary on MJ's Face..

MJ's Face looked about the same 10 years ago.. his face was white.. his nose was messed up.. he had surgeries monthly back then too.. BUT The News Media didn't nail him??!!!..

WHY? Of course Because MJ didn't rock the boat when it came to Badmouthing Epic/Sony or anyone in the record industry!

Thats the only thing that really pisses me off! The news media should have done ALL these stupid "Specials" 10 years ago.

Essence said:

This is a good point, except I don't really consider Elvis to be praised as a genius. You ask a million people who they consider the most talented musical artists are, and I doubt any would say Elvis. He is perceived, even by his devout followers, as a great entertainer, and someone who had a profound influence on music. They'll rarely call him a genius, because people know he was the product of others. This is how I feel MJ should be seen, not as a genius, but an influential figure in pop music with a terrific ability to entertain on the stage.