shellyk84 said:

Quincy is not as harsh on Tina as you all think

here he is 2010 talking bout Tina

'I saw Ike pimp slap her for 20 years he was rough on her'

'I could understand why she resistant to that movie'

part 1 3:26

http://www.soulculture.co...ain-video/

Great to know that if a woman is suffering from domestic abuse that Quincy Jones will be there for her by watching her abuser "pimp slap her for 20 years." Yes, I realise it was a different era and realistically I'm not sure what Quincy could have done but that quote struck me as being a little odd.

rialb said:

free2bfreeda said:

otay i fell ur need be right. so i'll agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

This may be your idea of rock and roll but it sure as heck is not mine!

as it is ur right!

Janis was a big fan of Tina Turner and they performed together at a Rolling Stones concert at Madison Square Garden, New York, NY November 27, 1969.

Rock Opera w/Tina Turner

Theatrical release poster (tina 3rd from left@ bottom)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ina_turner

Tina Turner (born Anna Mae Bullock; November 26, 1939) is an American singer and actress whose career has spanned more than 50 years. She has won numerous awards and her achievements in the rock music genre has led many to call her the "Queen of Rock n Roll."

Brown Sugar live - Mick Jagger & Tina Turner

hopefully we can accept that a (female) rock n' roll entertainer can be accepted to be in living colour (if you get my drift).

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Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

it's amazing how many women were offered (or considered for) that role,but didn't do it

Yeah but after looking at the movie, I can't imagine them doing it. Margaret Avery was made for that role.

she certainly was.

rialb said:

shellyk84 said:

Quincy is not as harsh on Tina as you all think

here he is 2010 talking bout Tina

'I saw Ike pimp slap her for 20 years he was rough on her'

'I could understand why she resistant to that movie'

part 1 3:26

http://www.soulculture.co...ain-video/

Great to know that if a woman is suffering from domestic abuse that Quincy Jones will be there for her by watching her abuser "pimp slap her for 20 years." Yes, I realise it was a different era and realistically I'm not sure what Quincy could have done but that quote struck me as being a little odd.

Yeah. It seems like he would have done something to intervene.

Apples and pears I think.

Aretha was more of a gospel / deep south-type of soul-singer, while Tina was more a 'rockish' type of soulsinger.

free2bfreeda said:

rialb said:

This may be your idea of rock and roll but it sure as heck is not mine!

as it is ur right!

Janis was a big fan of Tina Turner and they performed together at a Rolling Stones concert at Madison Square Garden, New York, NY November 27, 1969.

Rock Opera w/Tina Turner

Theatrical release poster (tina 3rd from left@ bottom)

	The Acid Queen" is a song written by Pete Townshend and is the ninth song on The Who's rock opera Tommy.Released 1975. the woman had the rock n'roll chops way back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ina_turner

Tina Turner (born Anna Mae Bullock; November 26, 1939) is an American singer and actress whose career has spanned more than 50 years. She has won numerous awards and her achievements in the rock music genre has led many to call her the "Queen of Rock n Roll."

http://www.suite101.com/n...pe-a313533

She was there doing it before Madonna, Beyonce and Lady Gaga. Tina Turner has had a tumultuous life but rose to be one of Rock's greatest voices ever.

Tina Turner, Rock and Roll queen, 8 time Grammy winner and one of the greatest voices music has known - that from Rolling Stone magazine - turned 71 on November 26, 2010.

Mick Jagger + Tina Turner - It's Only Rock'n'Roll 1988 Japan

http://www.youtube.com/wa...aKl2ec4J_w

Brown Sugar live - Mick Jagger & Tina Turner

http://www.youtube.com/wa...aKl2ec4J_w

kinda like both songs are considered rock n roll as sung by "the queen of rock n' roll"

also: Tina Turner Queen of Rock n Roll (1984) film. Run Time: 60 minutes

hopefully we can accept that a (female) rock n' roll entertainer can be accepted to be in living colour (if you get my drift).

[Edited 10/5/11 7:15am]

To be clear, this is not about sex or race it's about the material she recorded. When you really think about it is there a queen of rock and roll? There are not a lot of women that spring to mind as being likely candidates for that title. Madonna is pop, Stevie Nicks is a bit too soft to be considered rock, who else is there? Joan Jett maybe? For me Tina's music is a hybrid of pop/rock/R & B. I think it is tough to make a case that she was a "pure" rock artist. You cite examples of her being referred to as the Queen of Rock but listen to her music, does it sound like rock music? I would say no. I would have loved it if she had recorded straight rock music but she didn't really do that. Maybe I am guilty of using too narrow a definition of what "rock" music is but for me loud guitars that drive the music is a key ingedient and one that was largely missing from Tina's catalog, particularly from 1984-present.

You better believe it...Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, Elton John, Jeff Beck, Sting, Joe Cocker are just a few of the rock acts that have praised Aretha, and most have said she is the best.

Aretha can sing gospel, rock, soul, jazz, pop, opera, torch, swing, whatever

Tina can shake dance and growl bluesey spewed rock flavoured soul...

As a rock singer she can't hold a candle to Grace Slick, Janis Joplin, Lydia Pense or

Annie Lennox.

Timmy84 said:

And before anyone gets at me for getting more rock notice than Aretha, I know damn well Aretha got a lot of admirers who were rockers too. Like Eric Clapton and Keith Richards and 'em...

rialb said:

shellyk84 said:

Quincy is not as harsh on Tina as you all think

here he is 2010 talking bout Tina

'I saw Ike pimp slap her for 20 years he was rough on her'

'I could understand why she resistant to that movie'

part 1 3:26

http://www.soulculture.co...ain-video/

Great to know that if a woman is suffering from domestic abuse that Quincy Jones will be there for her by watching her abuser "pimp slap her for 20 years." Yes, I realise it was a different era and realistically I'm not sure what Quincy could have done but that quote struck me as being a little odd.

That struck me as odd too. Why didn't anyone who know that Ike was doing this did anything to help Tina before she finally did it on her own? I think Tina felt like she had no friends.

rialb said:

To be clear, this is not about sex or race it's about the material she recorded. When you really think about it is there a queen of rock and roll? There are not a lot of women that spring to mind as being likely candidates for that title. Madonna is pop, Stevie Nicks is a bit too soft to be considered rock, who else is there? Joan Jett maybe? For me Tina's music is a hybrid of pop/rock/R & B. I think it is tough to make a case that she was a "pure" rock artist. You cite examples of her being referred to as the Queen of Rock but listen to her music, does it sound like rock music? I would say no. I would have loved it if she had recorded straight rock music but she didn't really do that. Maybe I am guilty of using too narrow a definition of what "rock" music is but for me loud guitars that drive the music is a key ingedient and one that was largely missing from Tina's catalog, particularly from 1984-present.

I always thought Benetar was a better Rock vocalist than Tina. I love Rock music, but, I don't know, other than a couple of tunes, I just never really got into most of Tina's Rock songs. I think Chaka is a better Rock singer than Tina. Tina has and always will be more of a Soul singer to me. It's in her blood.

[Edited 10/5/11 10:52am]

kitbradley said:

rialb said:

I always thought Benetar was a better Rock vocalist than Tina. I love Rock music, but, I don't know, other than a couple of tunes, I just never really got into most of Tina's Rock songs. I think Chaka is a better Rock singer than Tina. Tina has and always will be more of a Soul singer to me. It's in her blood.

[Edited 10/5/11 10:52am]

Yeah Chaka handles a rock song better than Tina. I was kinda shocked too. I could see her doing "Show Some Respect" and kicking its ass lol Pat Benatar and Ann Wilson are some of the greatest female rock voices of all time to me.

rialb said:

free2bfreeda said:

Tina Turner Queen of Rock n Roll (1984) film. Run Time: 60 minutes

To be clear, this is not about sex or race it's about the material she recorded. When you really think about it is there a queen of rock and roll? There are not a lot of women that spring to mind as being likely candidates for that title. Madonna is pop, Stevie Nicks is a bit too soft to be considered rock, who else is there? Joan Jett maybe? For me Tina's music is a hybrid of pop/rock/R & B. I think it is tough to make a case that she was a "pure" rock artist. You cite examples of her being referred to as the Queen of Rock but listen to her music, does it sound like rock music? I would say no. I would have loved it if she had recorded straight rock music but she didn't really do that. Maybe I am guilty of using too narrow a definition of what "rock" music is but for me loud guitars that drive the music is a key ingedient and one that was largely missing from Tina's catalog, particularly from 1984-present.

FYI, Tina's title "Queen of Rock n' Roll" is not a self proclaimed title.

with all due respect, perhaps you should send your vote in for your choice for rock n roll Queen to the right channels to relieve your (self of the) guilt.

as you stated "for me," says it all, it is a (for you) opinion. perhaps when i see your choice in print, i might see it your way. until then .

also the words are online in black and white from several different sources confirming Tina's Queen title. whether it's argeed or disagreed upon, the Tina's title Queen of RnR is undisputed by the powers of the music media that be.

i'm finished. to discuss this any further would be like: (i hope that's not your thing)

so i give the last word to you, in that from what i'm feeling and reading, it seems to be needed

hope you have a great "tina day."

Timmy84 said:

kitbradley said:

I always thought Benetar was a better Rock vocalist than Tina. I love Rock music, but, I don't know, other than a couple of tunes, I just never really got into most of Tina's Rock songs. I think Chaka is a better Rock singer than Tina. Tina has and always will be more of a Soul singer to me. It's in her blood.

[Edited 10/5/11 10:52am]

Yeah Chaka handles a rock song better than Tina. I was kinda shocked too. I could see her doing "Show Some Respect" and kicking its ass lol Pat Benatar and Ann Wilson are some of the greatest female rock voices of all time to me.

What rock song has Chaka done. I miss that one.

free2bfreeda said:

rialb said:

To be clear, this is not about sex or race it's about the material she recorded. When you really think about it is there a queen of rock and roll? There are not a lot of women that spring to mind as being likely candidates for that title. Madonna is pop, Stevie Nicks is a bit too soft to be considered rock, who else is there? Joan Jett maybe? For me Tina's music is a hybrid of pop/rock/R & B. I think it is tough to make a case that she was a "pure" rock artist. You cite examples of her being referred to as the Queen of Rock but listen to her music, does it sound like rock music? I would say no. I would have loved it if she had recorded straight rock music but she didn't really do that. Maybe I am guilty of using too narrow a definition of what "rock" music is but for me loud guitars that drive the music is a key ingedient and one that was largely missing from Tina's catalog, particularly from 1984-present.

FYI, Tina's title "Queen of Rock n' Roll" is not a self proclaimed title.

with all due respect, perhaps you should send your vote in for your choice for rock n roll Queen to the right channels to relieve your (self of the) guilt.

as you stated "for me," says it all, it is a (for you) opinion. perhaps when i see your choice in print, i might see it your way. until then .

also the words are online in black and white from several different sources confirming Tina's Queen title. whether it's argeed or disagreed upon, the Tina's title Queen of RnR is undisputed by the powers of the music media that be.

i'm finished. to discuss this any further would be like: (i hope that's not your thing)

so i give the last word to you, in that from what i'm feeling and reading, it seems to be needed

hope you have a great "tina day."

I alluded to this in my post but I don't know if there is a true Queen of Rock 'n' Roll. Tina, not being a rock 'n' roll artist, doesn't fit the description. But I have to admit that I can't really come up with anyone else to give that title to. If I had to pick someone it would probably be Joan Jett as she is definitely a rock 'n' roll artist but I'm not sure if she is popular enough to deserve the title.

I'm not sure why you put so much stock in titles that others have given her. All you need to do is drop the needle on one of her albums and it should be obvious that she was either R & B (the Ike years) or pop (the solo years). I would be curious to know which of her songs would you say are best representative of her credibility as a rock singer? There was a brief time in the mid-late '70s when she recorded some convincing rock material but since then it has been mostly pop.

If anything I think we have established how few pure rock 'n' roll female icons there are. I guess Janis Joplin is still the gold standard but it is kind of sad that in the forty years since her death that no one else has really stepped up and displaced her as the premier female rock and roll artist.

Yeah Janis set the standard REAL high.

rialb said:

free2bfreeda said:

FYI, Tina's title "Queen of Rock n' Roll" is not a self proclaimed title.

with all due respect, perhaps you should send your vote in for your choice for rock n roll Queen to the right channels to relieve your (self of the) guilt.

as you stated "for me," says it all, it is a (for you) opinion. perhaps when i see your choice in print, i might see it your way. until then .

also the words are online in black and white from several different sources confirming Tina's Queen title. whether it's argeed or disagreed upon, the Tina's title Queen of RnR is undisputed by the powers of the music media that be.

i'm finished. to discuss this any further would be like: (i hope that's not your thing)

so i give the last word to you, in that from what i'm feeling and reading, it seems to be needed

hope you have a great "tina day."

I alluded to this in my post but I don't know if there is a true Queen of Rock 'n' Roll. Tina, not being a rock 'n' roll artist, doesn't fit the description. But I have to admit that I can't really come up with anyone else to give that title to. If I had to pick someone it would probably be Joan Jett as she is definitely a rock 'n' roll artist but I'm not sure if she is popular enough to deserve the title.

I'm not sure why you put so much stock in titles that others have given her. All you need to do is drop the needle on one of her albums and it should be obvious that she was either R & B (the Ike years) or pop (the solo years). I would be curious to know which of her songs would you say are best representative of her credibility as a rock singer? There was a brief time in the mid-late '70s when she recorded some convincing rock material but since then it has been mostly pop.

If anything I think we have established how few pure rock 'n' roll female icons there are. I guess Janis Joplin is still the gold standard but it is kind of sad that in the forty years since her death that no one else has really stepped up and displaced her as the premier female rock and roll artist.

[Edited 10/5/11 15:10pm]

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Chaka handles a rock song better than Tina. I was kinda shocked too. I could see her doing "Show Some Respect" and kicking its ass lol Pat Benatar and Ann Wilson are some of the greatest female rock voices of all time to me.

What rock song has Chaka done. I miss that one.

"So Close"

"My Destiny"

"Who's It Gonna Be"

"Twisted"

"Watching the World"

"Everybody Needs Some Love"

"Own the Night"

"A Love With No Strings"

"Facts Of Love"

There were a couple of remakes on "Funk This" that I recall being Rock-Oriented but I didn't care for any of the remakes so I always skip over them.

Chaka has recorded dozens of songs over the years as a featured guest on other artist's albums that most people don't know about, some of them being in the Rock genre. My favorite Rock guest appearances from her are from an album entitled "Nimsgern" by Frank Nimsgern. She appeared on 3 songs, 2 of which were Rock. A powerful Rock ballad "Pretty Secrets" and an uptempo Rock number "Take Me Away". She said she was starting work on a Rock album right before she left Warner Brothers in the mid-90's.

kitbradley said:

angel345 said:

What rock song has Chaka done. I miss that one.

"So Close"

"My Destiny"

"Who's It Gonna Be"

"Twisted"

"Watching the World"

"Everybody Needs Some Love"

"Own the Night"

"A Love With No Strings"

"Facts Of Love"

There were a couple of remakes on "Funk This" that I recall being Rock-Oriented but I didn't care for any of the remakes so I always skip over them.

Chaka has recorded dozens of songs over the years as a featured guest on other artist's albums that most people don't know about, some of them being in the Rock genre. My favorite Rock guest appearances from her are from an album entitled "Nimsgern" by Frank Nimsgern. She appeared on 3 songs, 2 of which were Rock. A powerful Rock ballad "Pretty Secrets" and an uptempo Rock number "Take Me Away". She said she was starting work on a Rock album right before she left Warner Brothers in the mid-90's.

Don't forget "Caught in the Act" and some of her Rufus material (like "You Got the Love" and "Ain't Nothin' But a Maybe", which had strong rock elements). Tony Maiden's guitar and Chaka's vocals were a match made in Heaven.

Chaka has always said that she wants to record a rock album.I hope she gets the chance to do it someday.

free2bfreeda said:

rialb said:

I alluded to this in my post but I don't know if there is a true Queen of Rock 'n' Roll. Tina, not being a rock 'n' roll artist, doesn't fit the description. But I have to admit that I can't really come up with anyone else to give that title to. If I had to pick someone it would probably be Joan Jett as she is definitely a rock 'n' roll artist but I'm not sure if she is popular enough to deserve the title.

I'm not sure why you put so much stock in titles that others have given her. All you need to do is drop the needle on one of her albums and it should be obvious that she was either R & B (the Ike years) or pop (the solo years). I would be curious to know which of her songs would you say are best representative of her credibility as a rock singer? There was a brief time in the mid-late '70s when she recorded some convincing rock material but since then it has been mostly pop.

If anything I think we have established how few pure rock 'n' roll female icons there are. I guess Janis Joplin is still the gold standard but it is kind of sad that in the forty years since her death that no one else has really stepped up and displaced her as the premier female rock and roll artist.

[Edited 10/5/11 15:10pm]

Didn't you say you were finished with this conversation?

SoulAlive said:

Chaka has always said that she wants to record a rock album.I hope she gets the chance to do it someday.

Me too. To me, Chaka's voice is one of the most eclectic in history. She has done R&B, pop, jazz, funk so perfectly and when you list the rock songs, she can do that too. Maybe next album would be the one.

rialb said:

Didn't you say you were finished with this conversation?

[Edited 10/5/11 17:23pm]

rialb said:

shellyk84 said:

Quincy is not as harsh on Tina as you all think

here he is 2010 talking bout Tina

'I saw Ike pimp slap her for 20 years he was rough on her'

'I could understand why she resistant to that movie'

part 1 3:26

http://www.soulculture.co...ain-video/

Great to know that if a woman is suffering from domestic abuse that Quincy Jones will be there for her by watching her abuser "pimp slap her for 20 years." Yes, I realise it was a different era and realistically I'm not sure what Quincy could have done but that quote struck me as being a little odd.

Quincy Jones talks out of his ass and has lost alot of credibility LONG time ago. I'd take anything he says as a grain of salt.

mjscarousal said:

rialb said:

Great to know that if a woman is suffering from domestic abuse that Quincy Jones will be there for her by watching her abuser "pimp slap her for 20 years." Yes, I realise it was a different era and realistically I'm not sure what Quincy could have done but that quote struck me as being a little odd.

Quincy Jones talks out of his ass and has lost alot of credibility LONG time ago. I'd take anything he says as a grain of salt.

I agree.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

Chaka has always said that she wants to record a rock album.I hope she gets the chance to do it someday.

Me too. To me, Chaka's voice is one of the most eclectic in history. She has done R&B, pop, jazz, funk so perfectly and when you list the rock songs, she can do that too. Maybe next album would be the one.

Prince said that she had the voice of life!! Chaka can sing ANYTHING and perfectly execute it. THE best!!

In concert, they're completely different shows.

For all of you Tina fans, there are a couple of Ike & Tina albums that will be making their CD debuts within the next few weeks. the first, "Let Me Touch Your Mind", will be reissued for the first time as a twofer with "Working Together". "Airwaves" will make it's debut as a twofer with "Deliah's Power", the latter was reissued in the U.K. many years ago.

[Edited 10/12/11 12:24pm]

Good to see more of their albums making it to cd.

I wonder, with all of the small labels being gobbled up eventually all of their material may end up on one label and might be reissued in a more comprehensive way. I like these twofers but sometimes the pairings do not make much sense.

rialb said:

Good to see more of their albums making it to cd.

I wonder, with all of the small labels being gobbled up eventually all of their material may end up on one label and might be reissued in a more comprehensive way. I like these twofers but sometimes the pairings do not make much sense.

Who knows? I think the labels that Ike & Tina released most of their music on folded YEARS ago, including Sue and United Artists.

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

Good to see more of their albums making it to cd.

I wonder, with all of the small labels being gobbled up eventually all of their material may end up on one label and might be reissued in a more comprehensive way. I like these twofers but sometimes the pairings do not make much sense.

Who knows? I think the labels that Ike & Tina released most of their music on folded YEARS ago, including Sue and United Artists.

Sure but some other label must have bought up the catalogs of any that went bust.

rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

Who knows? I think the labels that Ike & Tina released most of their music on folded YEARS ago, including Sue and United Artists.

Sure but some other label must have bought up the catalogs of any that went bust.

I doubt it.