MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

People tend to forget that the "R" in R&B stands for "Rhythm" and I have heard very little rhythmic R&B mainstream music since the 1980s ended.

"B" stands for "blues", and I don't hear any Slim Harpo, Bobby Bland, or Louis Jordan in the music now either.

Well, I can live without the blues but I sure as hell can't live without the rhythm.

Riverman37 said:

jeidee said:

Riverman37 said:

Black Eyed Peas were bad allready, but recently i have seen some video's of a band called LMFAO and it was a surreal experience to me, to be honest. To think that kind of stuff sells (uber-blatantly focussing on image and surface, and very cynical in a way: like they dont even CARE they are proud or not about what they are producing) makes me think the youth of today are a bunch of nonchalant cynics too.

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Fun fact: both members of LMFAO are related to Berry Gordy.

..and they both lack any talent that I can see or hear.

oh my lawd, I just heard ANOTHER one of those new fangled songs that samples Sting/The Police. lawd

There is so much hurt, pain, and anger on this thread.

minneapolisFunq said:

ManlyMoose said:

His rhyming makes Biggie and Pac look like amatuers, dont you remember when he mudered Jay on Renegade? He doesnt do shit for shock with the exception of Devils Night and Relapse. Most of what you would consider "shock" songs were songs made to imake fun of the people who said he was too violent, he always had a reason for saying what he said. Tyler the Creator is a shock artist, not Eminem. Did you listen to ANY of the songs posted? You obviously don't know shit about the technical side of rap.

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Eminem is not even the best "technical" rapper.

His entire career is based on gimmicks and shock value.

I actually think Jay held his own on that track btw.

+

2Pac destroys Eminem musically. (I will agree that Em is better than Biggie)

The real answer to your question, Imago, is "no."

imago said:

Lawd,

I just got finished listening to something vaguely Rihanna sounding that's

been autotuned to death......

....and the worst part is that it stold the riff and tune from Annie Lennox.

It's just as bad as that tehcno crap out there.

Why is it that there are so many wonderful acts out there, but the only

shit playing radio stations is this garbage?

..if it's anywhere near Rihanna sounding I can assure you it is most definitely not neo-soul, or even quasi-neo soul but the answer to your question is that the suits have taken over the music industry and their only interest is bottom line. Appeal to the largest demographic possible (which probably isn't the most sophisticated or musically astute) and just throw 'em whatever they'll scarf down like puppy chow, no matter how crude or vapid, just as long as they buy it.

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BlaqueKnight said:

Revolution said:

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

I'm long past "kid" days and you are a stan.

Em is not even top 5.

Redman has humor, delivery, lyrics and is the total package. So does Busta. They were both doing what Em does before Em was. I'm not even gonna mention Rakim.

Royce Da 5'9" was nicer than Em AGES ago but never had Dr. Dre producing his tracks.

Nas. Nuff said. Immortal Technique. Nuff said. You probably don't even know who he is.

Chuck D. SHITS ON EmnM lyrically. Andre 3000 shits on Em lyrically. All of that gossip ass whiny shit Em spits is annoying as hell after a while. Yeah, like Kurt - he spits white angst, which is he is so popular in America. He says all of the things that mainstream white America can relate to. That is why he is called "the greatest" by Rolling Stone, who wouldn't know hip-hop if it rolled up on them in the middle of the night and jacked them for their printing presses.

Pull up a Twista track and peep his flow and his lyrics. His flow is 10x tighter than Marshall, just like Tech N9ne's flow is. Canibus writes and raps circles around Em on his best day.

Greatest freestyle/battle rapper? Eminem? Hell no. Try Supernatural. Bet you don't know him, either. Stop watching 8 Mile over and over and believing the hype.

Hip-hop's roots ain't about making you laugh, so the funny factor is irrelevant. If you don't know that, you don't know shit about hip-hop (which you obviously don't). You may be "old enough to have heard rap from the beginning" but I WAS LISTENING TO RAP FROM THE BEGINNING. I'm first generation hip-hop from pre-rap (King Tim III) to Cool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, The Cold Crush Bros., The Funky Four + one more and I bet you don't know shit about them, either.

There are many rappers with many different styles, flows and uniqueness. Some rappers choose to entertain people (like Em) and some choose to provoke thought (like Pharoah Monche, Talieb Kweli, KRS-One, Jadakiss, Killer Mike or Dead Prez). Rap is too broad to declare one artist king but pound for pound it damn sure ain't Eminem, who is closer to a court jester on the mic and doesn't represent true hip-hop and its roots. He's a pop-hop rapper like Wayne and Jay-Z, who went from hip-hop to pop-hop. He ain't spittin' about the struggles of the people, which is what birthed hip-hop in the first place - a creative venue for the poor to express themselves. Ask Rev. Run how it was before he became a man of the cloth. Ask Afrika Bambaataa what his Zulu Nation is about.

I don't get into long conversations about hip-hop on this site because I generally choose not to. That doesn't mean I CAN'T, I just DON'T. Oh, and if you want to bring up skin color, I suggest you check out Brother Ali. I'll take him over Mathers all day, every day. Eminem is a respectable MC with skills - no doubt. All of that "king of rap" bullshit is ignorant stan talk.

P.S.: Notice I went the whole post without bringing up Pac or Biggie?

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

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Preach.