kitbradley said:

RKJCNE said:

Are we hating on Soldier Of Love?

Well, when I purchased it, I popped it in the CD player in my car. I almost had a accident because I dozed off several times while the CD was playing. Needless to say, I listed that sucker on Ebay the next day! I suppose it would be a great CD to play if you are sufferring from insomnia.

I find Sade terribly boring. Her voice, her tunes, everything---it's whispy, boring, droning crap.

I like it though

Anytime I hear about how wonderful or soulful she is, I just scratch my head cause I can't hear it.

I'm thinking, lawd hammercy lallahathaway should remake these songs and shoe Sade how it's

really done.

But I'll give her this. She's miles beyond Bria Valente. Shame on you, prince.

BlaqueKnight said:

Revolution said:

Em is by far the best I've heard...the kid has skills.

He raps fast, clear and can be funny as hell.

Thanks to Dre, he also has the beats to go with his words.

His music can be considered the total package in hip hop, which is probably

why he's the best selling artist in all of hip hop.

He started out as shock value, but has progressed into one of the best ever.

Someone like ICP started as shock, and has stayed at that level, showing no growth.

You don't listen to much real hip-hop. Either that or you are just an extermely biased Eminem stan.

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

Revolution said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You don't listen to much real hip-hop. Either that or you are just an extermely biased Eminem stan.

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

I'm long past "kid" days and you are a stan.

Em is not even top 5.

Redman has humor, delivery, lyrics and is the total package. So does Busta. They were both doing what Em does before Em was. I'm not even gonna mention Rakim.

Royce Da 5'9" was nicer than Em AGES ago but never had Dr. Dre producing his tracks.

Nas. Nuff said. Immortal Technique. Nuff said. You probably don't even know who he is.

Chuck D. SHITS ON EmnM lyrically. Andre 3000 shits on Em lyrically. All of that gossip ass whiny shit Em spits is annoying as hell after a while. Yeah, like Kurt - he spits white angst, which is he is so popular in America. He says all of the things that mainstream white America can relate to. That is why he is called "the greatest" by Rolling Stone, who wouldn't know hip-hop if it rolled up on them in the middle of the night and jacked them for their printing presses.

Pull up a Twista track and peep his flow and his lyrics. His flow is 10x tighter than Marshall, just like Tech N9ne's flow is. Canibus writes and raps circles around Em on his best day.

Greatest freestyle/battle rapper? Eminem? Hell no. Try Supernatural. Bet you don't know him, either. Stop watching 8 Mile over and over and believing the hype.

Hip-hop's roots ain't about making you laugh, so the funny factor is irrelevant. If you don't know that, you don't know shit about hip-hop (which you obviously don't). You may be "old enough to have heard rap from the beginning" but I WAS LISTENING TO RAP FROM THE BEGINNING. I'm first generation hip-hop from pre-rap (King Tim III) to Cool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, The Cold Crush Bros., The Funky Four + one more and I bet you don't know shit about them, either.

There are many rappers with many different styles, flows and uniqueness. Some rappers choose to entertain people (like Em) and some choose to provoke thought (like Pharoah Monche, Talieb Kweli, KRS-One, Jadakiss, Killer Mike or Dead Prez). Rap is too broad to declare one artist king but pound for pound it damn sure ain't Eminem, who is closer to a court jester on the mic and doesn't represent true hip-hop and its roots. He's a pop-hop rapper like Wayne and Jay-Z, who went from hip-hop to pop-hop. He ain't spittin' about the struggles of the people, which is what birthed hip-hop in the first place - a creative venue for the poor to express themselves. Ask Rev. Run how it was before he became a man of the cloth. Ask Afrika Bambaataa what his Zulu Nation is about.

I don't get into long conversations about hip-hop on this site because I generally choose not to. That doesn't mean I CAN'T, I just DON'T. Oh, and if you want to bring up skin color, I suggest you check out Brother Ali. I'll take him over Mathers all day, every day. Eminem is a respectable MC with skills - no doubt. All of that "king of rap" bullshit is ignorant stan talk.

P.S.: Notice I went the whole post without bringing up Pac or Biggie?

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

[Edited 9/5/11 21:20pm]

Revolution said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You don't listen to much real hip-hop. Either that or you are just an extermely biased Eminem stan.

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

Your are old enough to have heard rap from the beginning, but it is obvious that haven't.

Basedgod>Eminem!

BlaqueKnight said:

Revolution said:

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

I'm long past "kid" days and you are a stan.

Em is not even top 5.

Redman has humor, delivery, lyrics and is the total package. So does Busta. They were both doing what Em does before Em was. I'm not even gonna mention Rakim.

Royce Da 5'9" was nicer than Em AGES ago but never had Dr. Dre producing his tracks.

Nas. Nuff said. Immortal Technique. Nuff said. You probably don't even know who he is.

Chuck D. SHITS ON EmnM lyrically. Andre 3000 shits on Em lyrically. All of that gossip ass whiny shit Em spits is annoying as hell after a while. Yeah, like Kurt - he spits white angst, which is he is so popular in America. He says all of the things that mainstream white America can relate to. That is why he is called "the greatest" by Rolling Stone, who wouldn't know hip-hop if it rolled up on them in the middle of the night and jacked them for their printing presses.

Pull up a Twista track and peep his flow and his lyrics. His flow is 10x tighter than Marshall, just like Tech N9ne's flow is. Canibus writes and raps circles around Em on his best day.

Greatest freestyle/battle rapper? Eminem? Hell no. Try Supernatural. Bet you don't know him, either. Stop watching 8 Mile over and over and believing the hype.

Hip-hop's roots ain't about making you laugh, so the funny factor is irrelevant. If you don't know that, you don't know shit about hip-hop (which you obviously don't). You may be "old enough to have heard rap from the beginning" but I WAS LISTENING TO RAP FROM THE BEGINNING. I'm first generation hip-hop from pre-rap (King Tim III) to Cool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, The Cold Crush Bros., The Funky Four + one more and I bet you don't know shit about them, either.

There are many rappers with many different styles, flows and uniqueness. Some rappers choose to entertain people (like Em) and some choose to provoke thought (like Pharoah Monche, Talieb Kweli, KRS-One, Jadakiss, Killer Mike or Dead Prez). Rap is too broad to declare one artist king but pound for pound it damn sure ain't Eminem, who is closer to a court jester on the mic and doesn't represent true hip-hop and its roots. He's a pop-hop rapper like Wayne and Jay-Z, who went from hip-hop to pop-hop. He ain't spittin' about the struggles of the people, which is what birthed hip-hop in the first place - a creative venue for the poor to express themselves. Ask Rev. Run how it was before he became a man of the cloth. Ask Afrika Bambaataa what his Zulu Nation is about.

I don't get into long conversations about hip-hop on this site because I generally choose not to. That doesn't mean I CAN'T, I just DON'T. Oh, and if you want to bring up skin color, I suggest you check out Brother Ali. I'll take him over Mathers all day, every day. Eminem is a respectable MC with skills - no doubt. All of that "king of rap" bullshit is ignorant stan talk.

P.S.: Notice I went the whole post without bringing up Pac or Biggie?

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

[Edited 9/5/11 21:20pm]

Nothing more to add......

BlaqueKnight said:

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

[Edited 9/5/11 21:20pm]

http://prince.org/msg/8/366235 = Quintessential modern r&b albums?

The last posting was this morning.

Witness the org sniffing for truffles from the 90s.

The challenge: 10 timeless/classic R&B or Soul SONGS between 2002 - 2011

[Edited 9/6/11 10:09am]

JUST MY

I used to lament the alleged death of rhythm and blues and soul music. As a child of the 1970's, I was spoiled because it was ubiquitous. If it wasn't on the radio R&B and soul ("classic" and "new") was played at my house or being performed on Soul Train, etc.

Going into the 80's, I think it changed due to a variety of factors and influences, but talented musicians -- many holdovers from the 60's and 70's -- still drove the sound. Hip-hop still existed in its own "world." for the most part.

The quality of R&B/Soul dipped in the late 80's and early 90's, but that was more than offset by that time being a golden age of hip-hop.

By the mid-90's, popular R&B and Soul became an amalgam of New Jack Swing, watered down hip-hop, and recycled loops from the 70's and 80's. Hip-hop went mainstream and became a mockery of itself. That was offset by the dawn of the internet, which developed to the point where people could cultivate their own tastes and not let radio, videos, or record stores dictate their options to them.

The lesson in all this for me was that I needed to LOOK and LISTEN for great music, and it was up to me to take the initiative. I had to hunt down quality R&B artists. I had to support those artists that may not get a lot of airplay/press. The 'Net (and the Org) was a big part of that for me in the last decade or so.

That goes for both R&B/Soul and hip-hop, which are no officially co-dependents.

For those who complain about the lack of quality artists, they need to heed MC Lyte's advice:

Stop. Look. Listen.

namepeace said:

JUST MY

I used to lament the alleged death of rhythm and blues and soul music. As a child of the 1970's, I was spoiled because it was ubiquitous. If it wasn't on the radio R&B and soul ("classic" and "new") was played at my house or being performed on Soul Train, etc.

Going into the 80's, I think it changed due to a variety of factors and influences, but talented musicians -- many holdovers from the 60's and 70's -- still drove the sound. Hip-hop still existed in its own "world." for the most part.

The quality of R&B/Soul dipped in the late 80's and early 90's, but that was more than offset by that time being a golden age of hip-hop.

By the mid-90's, popular R&B and Soul became an amalgam of New Jack Swing, watered down hip-hop, and recycled loops from the 70's and 80's. Hip-hop went mainstream and became a mockery of itself. That was offset by the dawn of the internet, which developed to the point where people could cultivate their own tastes and not let radio, videos, or record stores dictate their options to them.

The lesson in all this for me was that I needed to LOOK and LISTEN for great music, and it was up to me to take the initiative. I had to hunt down quality R&B artists. I had to support those artists that may not get a lot of airplay/press. The 'Net (and the Org) was a big part of that for me in the last decade or so.

That goes for both R&B/Soul and hip-hop, which are no officially co-dependents.

For those who complain about the lack of quality artists, they need to heed MC Lyte's advice:

Stop. Look. Listen.

Stop. Look. Listen.........SUPPORT

bboy87 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Em is not even top 5.

Redman. Busta. Rakim. Royce Da 5'9". Nas. Immortal Technique. Nuff said. Chuck D. Andre 3000. Twista. Tech N9ne. King Tim III. Cool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, The Cold Crush Bros., The Funky Four + one more. Pharoah Monche. Talib Kweli. KRS-ONE. Jadakiss. Killer Mike. Dead Prez. Eminem. Rev. Run. Afrika Bambaataa. Zulu Nation. Brother Ali.

Nothing more to add......

The evidence is convincing enough. But I'll add a few more.

Kelvin Mercer a/k/a Posdunous (check the 2d verse of 2004's "Much More")

Metal Fingers Doom a/k/a Victor Vaughn, King Geedorah and/or Zev Love X of KMD

Mos Def (who could find himself on the Mount Rushmore of MCs if he set his mind to it)

Common (don't let the movies and mag covers fool you. he's one of the most skilled MCs in the game right now.)

Ice Cube (in his prime, few MCs were better)

LL Cool J (the prototype for the mainstream solo MC, took several albums platinum without the video play the Weezys, Jiggas and Ems have gotten).

Rolling Stone is letting the music companies dictate their choices. Not the merits. They've never been a credible source on hip-hop.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

JUST MY

I used to lament the alleged death of rhythm and blues and soul music. As a child of the 1970's, I was spoiled because it was ubiquitous. If it wasn't on the radio R&B and soul ("classic" and "new") was played at my house or being performed on Soul Train, etc.

Going into the 80's, I think it changed due to a variety of factors and influences, but talented musicians -- many holdovers from the 60's and 70's -- still drove the sound. Hip-hop still existed in its own "world." for the most part.

The quality of R&B/Soul dipped in the late 80's and early 90's, but that was more than offset by that time being a golden age of hip-hop.

By the mid-90's, popular R&B and Soul became an amalgam of New Jack Swing, watered down hip-hop, and recycled loops from the 70's and 80's. Hip-hop went mainstream and became a mockery of itself. That was offset by the dawn of the internet, which developed to the point where people could cultivate their own tastes and not let radio, videos, or record stores dictate their options to them.

The lesson in all this for me was that I needed to LOOK and LISTEN for great music, and it was up to me to take the initiative. I had to hunt down quality R&B artists. I had to support those artists that may not get a lot of airplay/press. The 'Net (and the Org) was a big part of that for me in the last decade or so.

That goes for both R&B/Soul and hip-hop, which are no officially co-dependents.

For those who complain about the lack of quality artists, they need to heed MC Lyte's advice:

Stop. Look. Listen.

Stop. Look. Listen.........SUPPORT

BINGO!

jeidee said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

[Edited 9/5/11 21:20pm]

http://prince.org/msg/8/366235 = Quintessential modern r&b albums?

The last posting was this morning.

Witness the org sniffing for truffles from the 90s.

The challenge: 10 timeless/classic R&B or Soul SONGS between 2002 - 2011

[Edited 9/6/11 10:09am]

GAME ON !!!

http://prince.org/msg/8/366522

Revolution said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You don't listen to much real hip-hop. Either that or you are just an extermely biased Eminem stan.

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

The hell man? So, because he doesn't like a certain artist, he's a racist? lol....

smoothcriminal12 said:

Revolution said:

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

The hell man? So, because he doesn't like a certain artist, he's a racist? lol....

If it were just this one instance, I would agree with you....BK has history with this type of negativity.

Revolution said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

The hell man? So, because he doesn't like a certain artist, he's a racist? lol....

If it were just this one instance, I would agree with you....BK has history with this type of negativity.

Hmmmm....I haven't been around here long enough to notice....I'm going to back out before my ass gets too far in.

Bathe in it:

Revolution said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

The hell man? So, because he doesn't like a certain artist, he's a racist? lol....

If it were just this one instance, I would agree with you....BK has history with this type of negativity.

He's blunt and it can seem....a bit harsh or maybe negative at times but he always brings up very valid points

smoothcriminal12 said:

Revolution said:

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

The hell man? So, because he doesn't like a certain artist, he's a racist? lol....

First of all, if were to delve into the dichotomy of American whites calling people of color "racists" this thread would get moved to P&R with the quickness.

But no, I have not socially, financially or educationally oppressed anyone based on their color. I think I'm safe from being a racist.

I think it is idiotic to suggest that only one artist who is not directly tied to the culture of where R&B originated has been able to successfully make a good R&B album in the past 11 years. So if that makes me a racist, then yes. Call me that becuase you'd have to be an idiot to believe what has to be one of the stupidest assessments of R&B posted in the history of the org.

Also, some get mad if you don't turn backflips for artists that they like. What may be seen as an anomoly for some is more commonplace for others. I don't believe in giving "bonus points" to an artist just because they do something less common to their own culture.

I'm loving the catfigh folks.

All I need is a inflatable kiddie pool and some jellow and g-strings.

Anyways, my point is that there is really good stuff out there. But all I hear being pumped through radio in public places (restuarants, bars, ANYWHERE) is this new stuff that quazi-whatever.

I never meant to imply that acts like Rihanna and the ilk are neo-soul or completely R&B...hence place "quazi-" before those statements.

But my point is, why is it that these acts are everywhere? Is it really the money? I don't know anybody who owns a Rihanna album.

And my real point is, these folks RUIN the original. It's almost like watching a Rob Zombie remake of Halloween or some shit. Dreadful.

I know what you were saying, Imago and we were examining that before the thread got derailed.

I have said this many times: the problem is the people in charge. They only look at numbers and they could care less about what you want to hear.

This generic techno crap passing for R&B is everywhere because that is exactly what they want everyone to listen to. The more generic the music, the cheaper and easier it is to produce and the more money they can make from hustling artists. They can put more pressure on them as well if they are not selling. They can easily replace producers because any geek with Fruity Loops can make a techno groove.

The radio is a terrible place to look for good music these days.

Its like going to McDonalds and wondering why there aren't any good ribeye steaks or a nice Tortelloni ricotta. You can find more leads on good music by perusing various threads of a music forum than you can in listen to months and months of a radio station, ESPECIALLY a top 40 one that has an "R&B/Hip-hop" slant.

Please stop calling pop-dance music "techno"
I know most Americans call anything electronic "techno" wether it be deep soulfull house, tech-house or whatever other eletronic sub-genre.
But what usher, bep, lady gaga etc etc have on their albums is not techno.
Calling it techno is a disgrace to true techno.

Indeed mistatee,

The music that is scoring in the american charts these days couples the worst of contemporary R&B and hip-hop, with the worst of bubblegum / producers-pop and the most blatant use of (dated) dance-music elements.

The dance-elements used in the american hits of today were popular over here in Europe in the mid-nineties.

Thats how far behind the USA actually is, when it comes to embrancing dance-music.. lol

And these elements were originally used in commercial crap anyway. It has nothing to do with Techno.

I thought the Black Eyed Peas were bad allready, but recently i have seen some video's of a band called LMFAO and it was a surreal experience to me, to be honest. To think that kind of stuff sells (uber-blatantly focussing on image and surface, and very cynical in a way: like they dont even CARE they are proud or not about what they are producing) makes me think the youth of today are a bunch of nonchalant cynics too.

[Edited 9/7/11 10:20am]

namepeace said:

bboy87 said:

Nothing more to add......

The evidence is convincing enough. But I'll add a few more.

Kelvin Mercer a/k/a Posdunous (check the 2d verse of 2004's "Much More")

Metal Fingers Doom a/k/a Victor Vaughn, King Geedorah and/or Zev Love X of KMD

Mos Def (who could find himself on the Mount Rushmore of MCs if he set his mind to it)

Common (don't let the movies and mag covers fool you. he's one of the most skilled MCs in the game right now.)

Ice Cube (in his prime, few MCs were better)

LL Cool J (the prototype for the mainstream solo MC, took several albums platinum without the video play the Weezys, Jiggas and Ems have gotten).

Rolling Stone is letting the music companies dictate their choices. Not the merits. They've never been a credible source on hip-hop.

Great list here and all are definitely better than Marshall

kitbradley said:

RKJCNE said:

Are we hating on Soldier Of Love?

Well, when I purchased it, I popped it in the CD player in my car. I almost had a accident because I dozed off several times while the CD was playing. Needless to say, I listed that sucker on Ebay the next day! I suppose it would be a great CD to play if you are sufferring from insomnia.

I don't think it was Sade.... it was probably more like you are too old to be driving than anything else. Don't blame Sade for your inability to age gracefully instead of always being so bitter.

BlaqueKnight said:

Revolution said:

You don't know me. I'm old enough to have heard rap from the beginning kid.

Em is the best i've heard as a total package, lyrics and delivery and presence and humor.

The kid has much skills, and if you don't see and acknowledge that, you are blinded by the

color game, much as your name would imply. Get real.

I'm long past "kid" days and you are a stan.

Em is not even top 5.

Redman has humor, delivery, lyrics and is the total package. So does Busta. They were both doing what Em does before Em was. I'm not even gonna mention Rakim.

Royce Da 5'9" was nicer than Em AGES ago but never had Dr. Dre producing his tracks.

Nas. Nuff said. Immortal Technique. Nuff said. You probably don't even know who he is.

Chuck D. SHITS ON EmnM lyrically. Andre 3000 shits on Em lyrically. All of that gossip ass whiny shit Em spits is annoying as hell after a while. Yeah, like Kurt - he spits white angst, which is he is so popular in America. He says all of the things that mainstream white America can relate to. That is why he is called "the greatest" by Rolling Stone, who wouldn't know hip-hop if it rolled up on them in the middle of the night and jacked them for their printing presses.

Pull up a Twista track and peep his flow and his lyrics. His flow is 10x tighter than Marshall, just like Tech N9ne's flow is. Canibus writes and raps circles around Em on his best day.

Greatest freestyle/battle rapper? Eminem? Hell no. Try Supernatural. Bet you don't know him, either. Stop watching 8 Mile over and over and believing the hype.

Hip-hop's roots ain't about making you laugh, so the funny factor is irrelevant. If you don't know that, you don't know shit about hip-hop (which you obviously don't). You may be "old enough to have heard rap from the beginning" but I WAS LISTENING TO RAP FROM THE BEGINNING. I'm first generation hip-hop from pre-rap (King Tim III) to Cool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, The Cold Crush Bros., The Funky Four + one more and I bet you don't know shit about them, either.

There are many rappers with many different styles, flows and uniqueness. Some rappers choose to entertain people (like Em) and some choose to provoke thought (like Pharoah Monche, Talieb Kweli, KRS-One, Jadakiss, Killer Mike or Dead Prez). Rap is too broad to declare one artist king but pound for pound it damn sure ain't Eminem, who is closer to a court jester on the mic and doesn't represent true hip-hop and its roots. He's a pop-hop rapper like Wayne and Jay-Z, who went from hip-hop to pop-hop. He ain't spittin' about the struggles of the people, which is what birthed hip-hop in the first place - a creative venue for the poor to express themselves. Ask Rev. Run how it was before he became a man of the cloth. Ask Afrika Bambaataa what his Zulu Nation is about.

I don't get into long conversations about hip-hop on this site because I generally choose not to. That doesn't mean I CAN'T, I just DON'T. Oh, and if you want to bring up skin color, I suggest you check out Brother Ali. I'll take him over Mathers all day, every day. Eminem is a respectable MC with skills - no doubt. All of that "king of rap" bullshit is ignorant stan talk.

P.S.: Notice I went the whole post without bringing up Pac or Biggie?

Now...we can get back to the wackos that think the only good R&B CD in the past 11 years was made by Adele. Do you really want to stand on that? Because I will go in...

[Edited 9/5/11 21:20pm]

Now Run, he may be old skool, but he's no slouch on the mike.

I remember some people complaining when Puffy, Daddy or Diddy produced succesfull "R&B"

hits with a little hip hop flavor. Cristal clear productions, changing the sound for a lot of R&B AND rap artists...BIG had a major hit and I loved the fun-good times flow from Mase.

After years of Ice T and Gangsta rap this was a nice change for many of us.

Allthough I loved 2 PAC and DRE.

Even Will Smith came back...but that´s another story

And then...the succes of Destiny´s Child and the brilliant producers; Neptunes and Timbaland!!!

Missy and Eminem having hits...Jay-Z almost on his trone and good ol´Snoop back on track..

Justin puts out the last great album(s)and yes...Umbrella from Rihanna, nice!!! but then....

some idiot decides to put some 90´s Eurodance stuff into the mix and they all use autotune and

it´s game over...the unique sound of R&B is gone.

What we get is boring dance-light techno (yes, techno) wich I´ve heard in the 90´s because I live in Europe and it´s a genre that stinks!!! Most of us ran away and listend to grunge in the first half of the 90´s..

There were/are some good Eurodance "songs" but we all know how it goes...when mainstream takes

over...at first it´s great but then come the copy cats.

Anyway, I loved the R&B from 95-2007 (?) and I don´t care if U hate Diddy....it was better than listening to Snoop on autotune...remixed by David Guetta....Gangsta?? What happened Dogg??

[Edited 9/8/11 13:14pm]

[Edited 9/8/11 13:16pm]

RKJCNE said:

ManlyMoose said:

Well, when it comes to concepts, subject matter, battle rap, rhyming, flow, and lyricisim hes undeniably one of the top. You don't have to like him but not respecting him is like not respecting Nas or Wu-Tang, it makes you look stupid.

Also, the technical side = quality.

First of all calling me stupid for not respecting someone is stupid. Eminem is one of the least respectful people in music.

and as for "concepts, subject matter, battle rap, rhyming, flow, and lyricisim "

Eminem having the best Concepts? Subject Matter? Lyricism?

LOL.

I love the way you lie.

Well played.

@ Paisley4u

I'm wondering what exactly you are calling techno.

Can you mention some songtitles you consider to be techno?

I'm dragging this from another thread back where it belongs:

jeidee said:

BLAQUEmoron on another thread "is there NOTHING this new quazi yadda yadda...":

"You are not knowledgable enough to speak on R&B if you think Adele is the only good R&B artist out. Unlike these other folk, I'm not going to rattle off a bunch of artists for you. Come back when you know something because apparently you don't."

And there it is. You are as they say "butthurt" because I refused to educate you?

Since this pest insists on going back to this, let's go...

Eleven years.
Hundreds of thousands of CDs released.
Only one British white chick has been able to make a good R&B album?

No one would dare say that about any other culture's music; only music that started in black American culture.
But I digress.
Let's examine this, shall we?

You say that Adele's album is an R&B album but is it really? The whole album?
"Take It All" is not R&B. Adult contemporary. VERY.
"Turning The Tables" is not R&B. Also adult contemporary.
"Someone Like You" is adult contemporary. Another one that's not R&B and the vocal arrangements are more like Bette Midler than any R&B artist I can think of.
"Rumor Has It" is 60s retro-rock, not R&B.
"Set Fire To The Rain" sounds like 80s pop-rock without the guitar.
"He Won't Go" is "R&B-ish". It could easily pass as retro pop-rock as well, but for the sake of argument and the desire to give up more than "Rolling", let's call it retro R&B-ish hybrid (ala Hall & Oats).
Her version of "Lovesong" is not really R&B. She just slowed down The Cure's version and added elements that are common in R&B songs. Its a hybrid song. The way she sang it was still very "pop adult contemporary" and not something that would have really been considered an R&B song in any era I can think of.
I know no one with any sense of the genre that would call "Don't You Remember" R&B. That one is not even up for discussion.
So, we have "Rolling In The Deep" and "He Won't Go" - two songs. This is the greatest R&B record made in the past 11 years?
Somebody don't know jack shit about R&B and their word can't be trusted when it comes to the genre.

Now you will NEVER hear me say that ol' girl can't sing. She can sing her ass off.
That is without question and as I said, I like her.
That said, I'm not going to make a ridiculous claim just because she made a well-sung record. Not only is it disingenuous but its an insult to the thousands of other artists who make good (and better) records than this one in the genre.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm dragging this from another thread back where it belongs:

jeidee said:

BLAQUEmoron on another thread "is there NOTHING this new quazi yadda yadda...":

"You are not knowledgable enough to speak on R&B if you think Adele is the only good R&B artist out. Unlike these other folk, I'm not going to rattle off a bunch of artists for you. Come back when you know something because apparently you don't."

And there it is. You are as they say "butthurt" because I refused to educate you?

Since this pest insists on going back to this, let's go...

Eleven years.
Hundreds of thousands of CDs released.
Only one British white chick has been able to make a good R&B album?

No one would dare say that about any other culture's music; only music that started in black American culture.
But I digress.
Let's examine this, shall we?

You say that Adele's album is an R&B album but is it really? The whole album?
"Take It All" is not R&B. Adult contemporary. VERY.
"Turning The Tables" is not R&B. Also adult contemporary.
"Someone Like You" is adult contemporary. Another one that's not R&B and the vocal arrangements are more like Bette Midler than any R&B artist I can think of.
"Rumor Has It" is 60s retro-rock, not R&B.
"Set Fire To The Rain" sounds like 80s pop-rock without the guitar.
"He Won't Go" is "R&B-ish". It could easily pass as retro pop-rock as well, but for the sake of argument and the desire to give up more than "Rolling", let's call it retro R&B-ish hybrid (ala Hall & Oats).
Her version of "Lovesong" is not really R&B. She just slowed down The Cure's version and added elements that are common in R&B songs. Its a hybrid song. The way she sang it was still very "pop adult contemporary" and not something that would have really been considered an R&B song in any era I can think of.
I know no one with any sense of the genre that would call "Don't You Remember" R&B. That one is not even up for discussion.
So, we have "Rolling In The Deep" and "He Won't Go" - two songs. This is the greatest R&B record made in the past 11 years?
Somebody don't know jack shit about R&B and their word can't be trusted when it comes to the genre.

Now you will NEVER hear me say that ol' girl can't sing. She can sing her ass off.
That is without question and as I said, I like her.
That said, I'm not going to make a ridiculous claim just because she made a well-sung record. Not only is it disingenuous but its an insult to the thousands of other artists who make good (and better) records than this one in the genre.

I don't even know who this artist is but with three adult contemporaries, she must be some of the same old shit that has contaminated the mainstream R&B scene since Shitney reared her ugly head in 1985.

What trips me out is mainstream R&B has been from one extreme of the spectrum to the other since the 1990s. On one extreme, there's shit hop that is stripped down and slow as hell without absolutely no rhythm in it whatsoever along with the thug prison images which are pleasing to a lot of white people because it's like watching a violent lion in a cage from a safe distance. Then, on the other end of the spectrum, there's neo stool, another form with little or no rhythm, for those that like to put on airs like they're so elite or "cultured" and is also a nice "safe" image that many whites like....."Oh look, that black artist is so talented and cultured".

People tend to forget that the "R" in R&B stands for "Rhythm" and I have heard very little rhythmic R&B mainstream music since the 1980s ended. Everyone has done their damndest to crossover and make the most money possible from the largest audience possible to the extent that there might as well not even be an R&B chart anymore. Everything on R&B radio since the 1990s has been played on pop radio also because it has been so weakened and watered down that it fits in. It wasn't like that in the early 1980s. Very rarely was an R&B song on pop radio unless it was watered down because people were still making songs to live up to the "R" in R&B which stands for "rhythm". If cool white people such as myself liked it, that was fine, and if they didn't like it, well fuck 'em because the music was being made to please the people who actually liked music with rhythm. It was also being made by people who seemed to love and have a passion for the music they were making and their audience shared that same passion. All that damn crossing over meant watering down the music and eventually became the death of R&B.

vainandy said:

People tend to forget that the "R" in R&B stands for "Rhythm" and I have heard very little rhythmic R&B mainstream music since the 1980s ended.

"B" stands for "blues", and I don't hear any Slim Harpo, Bobby Bland, or Louis Jordan in the music now either.