GRAMMY Award-winning singer/songwriter/producer Van Hunt will celebrate the release of his new studio album - What Were You Hoping For? - with a U.S. headlining tour. Launching at Webster Hall's The Studio in New York City on September 19^th, the outing marks his first national tour since 2008. See below for itinerary.

Hunt toured widely in support of his first two albums - his 2004 self-titled full-length debut, which contained the GRAMMY-nominated single "Dust," and the acclaimed follow-up, On The Jungle Floor - both as a headliner and with such diverse acts as Kanye West, Coldplay, The Roots, Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band and Seal. In a live review, The Hollywood Reporter declared: "he is a star....oozing charisma and energy" while Variety observed: "An original with a firmly assimilated sense of history, Hunt goes the extra mile musically to prove he's not another formulaic neo-soul songwriter and singer."

Joining Hunt on the road will be band mates Ruth Price (drums), Peter Dyer (keyboards) and Douglas Showalter (guitar). Prior to the tour's launch, Hunt will perform at the 21^st Annual NAACP Theatre Awards Gala, which will take place on August 29^th at Rolling Stone Lounge in Hollywood, CA.

What Were You Hoping For? - a collection of 11 challenging, densely layered compositions that reveal more with each listen - will be released on September 27^th via a joint venture between the Nashville-based Thirty Tigers and Hunt's own label, godless-hotspot. Van penned the songs in the summer of 2010, then produced and performed them at Los Angeles' Santa Fe Tracking Station, bringing Ruthie Price in on drums. Along the way they enlisted keyboardist/programmer Peter Dyer to build what Hunt describes as "a landscape of sound around the songs." This minimalist approach focuses the light on an unadulterated, unfiltered Van Hunt, delivering his most daring and provocative work to date, where intricate jazz melodies butt up against punk rock and poetry.

"I wanted this record to be disruptive," says Hunt. "I feel like I've finally shed the music that I grew up with. I've made a record that doesn't sound like anything I've heard before."

From the breakneck "Watching You Go Crazy Is Driving Me Insane" and "A Time Machine Is My New Girlfriend" to the metallic k.o. of the album's first single, "Eyes Like Pearls," Hunt unleashes a sound that reverberates with caustic wit, passion and frenetic, inventive musicality. The funky "North Hollywood" and the beguiling title track crackle with the dissonance of modern life in his new home town, where American dreamers navigate a path strewn with eviction notices, abandoned couches, skate rats and struggling starlets. A "Cross Dresser" finds he feels closer than ever to his ex when he dons the clothing she left behind and the tour de force closing track, "It's A Mysterious Hustle," offers up a warning and a promise: "You know the world's no place to raise a child/You've been dropped into the wild/You're here now and the clock is winding down/Let me show you how to work your way through the crowd."

"All of these elements came together to create this combustion," says Hunt, who was born in Ohio and relocated to Atlanta, where he began his music career. He moved to Los Angeles in 2007. Driving the city's streets, he soon began photographing the abandoned objects he encountered and L.A.'s growing homeless population. "My experience of trying to live here and survive myself is really where this record was born."

What Were You Hoping For? is Hunt's fourth studio album. After the success of his first two albums and his GRAMMY win for "Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals," honoring "Family Affair," a collaboration with John Legend and Joss Stone found on the 2006 Sly & The Family Stone tribute album, Different Strokes For Different Folks, he recorded his third album, Popular. But the label he was signed to delayed its release, then dropped it from the schedule altogether. Online music sharing turned the still-unreleased album into an underground sensation, which the LA Weekly hailed as "a left-field stunner." In 2009, Hunt liberated a collection of B-sides, demos, remixes, and other rarities on the self-released collection, Use In Case Of Emergency (Rare Items From The Vault).

Van recently gave fans two free downloads - tracks from the What Were You Hoping For? sessions that won't appear on the final album. Pastemagazine.com premiered "The Savage, Sincere L of P,"noting: "His soulful vocals waltz over a backbeat that makes you wanna throw on your dancing shoes and cut the rug" while The Huffington Post debuted "June." Free downloads of both songs are now available at Hunt's recently relaunched website, www.vanhunt.com.

Van Hunt - Fall Tour Dates

9/19 New York, NY @Webster Hall Studio

9/20 Alexandria, VA @ The Birchmere

9/21 Brooklyn, NY @Southpaw

9/22 Philadelphia, PA @ World Café Live

9/23Richmond, VA @ The Camel

9/24Charlotte, NC @ Double Door Inn

9/25Nashville, TN @ 3rd & Lindsley

9/27Augusta, GA @ Sky City

9/28Atlanta, GA @ The Earl

9/29New Orleans, LA @ Tipitina's Uptown

9/30Houston, TX @ Underground Live

10/1Austin, TX @Cactus Café

10/3Dallas, TX @ House of Blues Cambridge

10/4Little Rock, AR @ Sticky Fingerz Chicken

10/6St. Louis, MO @ Lola

10/7 Chicago, IL @ Schubas Tavern

10/8Minneapolis, MN @ Bunker's

10/11Seattle, WA @ Nectar Lounge

10/12Portland, OR @ Doug Fir Lounge

10/13San Francisco, CA @ Yoshi's

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Absoutely can NOT wait for this album to come out! Everyone I know who's got advance copy has said it's brilliant and his best work to date!

I'll be at both the NYC shows!

p.s. do you the link to this article?

P2daP said:

p.s. do you the link to this article?

Press Release that was in my email

Good for him. I don't know if I'll like it; what I've heard from Popular was a bit of a letdown, and seemed to be stuck in neutral. But i'll support his willingness to take chances, and I'll catch him on tour.

Popular was good, but took some repeated listening. People who were looking for more of the 1st two records would have been disappointed.

I'm looking forward to the new disc and to seeing him when he comes to Nashville!

A little pretentious but I can't wait for it nevertheless.

namepeace said:

Good for him. I don't know if I'll like it; what I've heard from Popular was a bit of a letdown, and seemed to be stuck in neutral. But i'll support his willingness to take chances, and I'll catch him on tour.

Usually, I think you have good taste in music. What was wrong with Popular?

I thought it contained his best songwriting and was totally inventive. Were

you expecting a follow up to On The Jungle Floor, which I thought was a

little bland, thanks to Bill

On a side note: Van Hunt is not pretentious; he's not pretending to be something he's not.

He's a smart, intricately quirky and thoughtful songwriter. That's not being pretentious if his

music is likewise smart, intricately quirky and thoughtful.

duccichucka said:

namepeace said:

Good for him. I don't know if I'll like it; what I've heard from Popular was a bit of a letdown, and seemed to be stuck in neutral. But i'll support his willingness to take chances, and I'll catch him on tour.

Usually, I think you have good taste in music. What was wrong with Popular?

I thought it contained his best songwriting and was totally inventive. Were

you expecting a follow up to On The Jungle Floor, which I thought was a

little bland, thanks to Bill

On a side note: Van Hunt is not pretentious; he's not pretending to be something he's not.

He's a smart, intricately quirky and thoughtful songwriter. That's not being pretentious if his

music is likewise smart, intricately quirky and thoughtful.

That's appreciated; I didn't say there was anything wrong with Popular, maybe I was kinda expecting more of an OTJF vibe. I just didn't spend time trying to get into the groove of it. Van is a much better songwriter than he is given credit for.

I liked a couple of tracks, though, and he needs support for being creative regardless of how I may feel about this album/track or that one.

FWIW, I don't think VH is pretentious either, and I don't get why folk would say that.

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I found Popular to be great. It isn't quite on the level of On the Jungle Floor to me, but it's better than the debut. But I love all of them.

I do find Van to be a bit pretentious at times, but I think that's part of his charm. Naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" certainly qualifies as pretentious in my book, because it smacks of trying too hard (unnecessarily) to seem clever and mysterious.

I'm seeing him in a little over a month!

AlexdeParis said:

I found Popular to be great. It isn't quite on the level of On the Jungle Floor to me, but it's better than the debut. But I love all of them.

I do find Van to be a bit pretentious at times, but I think that's part of his charm. Naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" certainly qualifies as pretentious in my book, because it smacks of trying too hard (unnecessarily) to seem clever and mysterious.

I'm seeing him in a little over a month!

Wait, so other artists you think are "clever" and "mysterious", which, as you know,

you cannot possibly prove is inherent to their character and not an assumed affectation,

can be "clever" and "mysterious," but Hunt, who you think is trying too hard (because you cannot prove that he is not) is pretentious? Who do you think is clever and mysterious?

If Usher, for example, came out with an song entitled "The Savage, Sincere L of P" on

an album that eschewed the same R&B template he's used for the past three albums by

playing all the instruments (guitar, base, keys, drums), decided that he wanted to be taken

seriously as a songwriter and musician, and tried to craft an album that was reminiscent of

Marvin Gaye and Sly Stone then you would be justified in saying: Usher is being pretentious.

When has Hunt not done the above? He can pull it off because he is not pretending. Usher,

in the case I just described, would be pretending to be something he is not: pretentious.

(Why in the hell am I being so anal about this?)

Sorry!

Hmm...what is it about On The Jungle Floor that you favor it over Popular? Just asking!

It's good to hear that he's still around. I have to admit I haven't been following him as a I should be. I know that I'm very much still in love with "Dust" and "Down Here in Hell". Those two sounds are in constant rotation. And I think he's kinda cute...to boot. LOL

I know I'm such a girl.....LOL

duccichucka said:

AlexdeParis said:

I found Popular to be great. It isn't quite on the level of On the Jungle Floor to me, but it's better than the debut. But I love all of them.

I do find Van to be a bit pretentious at times, but I think that's part of his charm. Naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" certainly qualifies as pretentious in my book, because it smacks of trying too hard (unnecessarily) to seem clever and mysterious.

I'm seeing him in a little over a month!

Wait, so other artists you think are "clever" and "mysterious", which, as you know,

you cannot possibly prove is inherent to their character and not an assumed affectation,

can be "clever" and "mysterious," but Hunt, who you think is trying too hard (because you cannot prove that he is not) is pretentious? Who do you think is clever and mysterious?

If Usher, for example, came out with an song entitled "The Savage, Sincere L of P" on

an album that eschewed the same R&B template he's used for the past three albums by

playing all the instruments (guitar, base, keys, drums), decided that he wanted to be taken

seriously as a songwriter and musician, and tried to craft an album that was reminiscent of

Marvin Gaye and Sly Stone then you would be justified in saying: Usher is being pretentious.

When has Hunt not done the above? He can pull it off because he is not pretending. Usher,

in the case I just described, would be pretending to be something he is not: pretentious.

(Why in the hell am I being so anal about this?)

I don't know, but you seem to be using some different definition of pretentious. Here's one (of many) definitions:

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

To call him pretentious for trying too hard to seem clever and mysterious should imply (correctly) to you that I already think he is clever and mysterious. He naturally exudes those qualities to me, but sometimes I see him doing things akin to screaming, "Hey world, look at me! I'm clever! And mysterious! I'm going to abbreviate words in song titles so you don't know what they are unless you listen! I'm going to - all of a sudden - use 'Ur,' 'N,' and '2' throughout my 3rd album (but I hate when people compare me to Prince)!" When I perceive that, I'm going to call it pretentious, because that's what it is. But most importantly, pretentiousness is a perception. You can't prove or disprove it, because it's opinion. So feel free to disagree. I respect your opinion, but it won't change mine. I feel he's pretentious sometimes, you don't. It's not a big deal; we're both still fans.

Sorry!

Hmm...what is it about On The Jungle Floor that you favor it over Popular? Just asking!

I think the songs stand out more on OTJF. I like Popular as an album and an artistic statement, but nothing on it is as fantastic as "At the End of a Slow Dance" or even "Hot Stage Lights." That being said, I've spun OTJF many more times, so perhaps in time Popular may overtake it in my estimation. I already concede it's a more consistent listen, but the peaks (which are what usually draw me back to an album) aren't as high IMO.

PlayboyOriginal said:

A little pretentious but I can't wait for it nevertheless.

Thank U. I remember when that guy chewed me out for saying that. Plus, he said I was using the word in the wrong way.

But I'm still a fan. Constructive criticism. Ugh, No Cleveland dates???

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Popular is my one of my all time favorite albums. I love it!! It's unique and I think you hear Van going into his own sound and getting away from influences on that album!

As far as him being pretentious. I don't think so. I just think that's the way he is.

Also What Were You Hoping For is available now for pre-order on Amazon.com

[Edited 8/19/11 23:03pm]

I'm glad it's not titled "Whut Were U Hopin 4."

Good morning Alexa!

If Hunt, who you admit is already mysterious and clever, does something

that is mysterious and clever and it is recognizably mysterious and clever, how

is he "pretending" to be something he is not? The song title is mysterious and clever.

Agreed. And he's trying to be mysterious and clever. Agreed. And he actually pulls it off:

the song title is mysterious and clever; but didn't we agree the brother is already

mysterious and clever?! The dictionary gives two meanings: the first describes someone

who yells out for attention doing something they cannot do (this is not Hunt, who as

we both agree can be mysterious and clever). The second meaning describes one who

makes a demand of their talent; who is ambitious. (this is Hunt). You're accusing him

of the former; this is the definition I'm arguing against.

You mention Prince. When did he start using "u" for "you", etc? It wasn't his first album was

it? Is Prince therefore pretentious? If you show off what you naturally possess, as

opposed to showing off what you do not naturally possess, you are not pretentious.

I know what you're saying: he's high falutin'. But he is high falutin' and he consistently

is high falutin'. He's not pretentious. Put it this way: Van Hunt showing off how

mysterious and clever he is; how pretentious (2nd meaning) he is; is not pretentious (1st

meaning)!

Everything you said about On The Jungle Floor is why I prefer Popular. OTJF is too

accessible for me. I agree with "Slow Dance" and "Hot Stage"...fucking awesome songs.

Nothing on Popular is as catchy as "Slow Dance." And I agree that Popular may be a greater artistic statement: maybe he had more freedom to do what he really is;

and that is be oblique? I dunno. I like Popular because it made me think about

what the hell he was doing musically. I could figure out the song structures,

chord progressions, etc for OTJF. Popular took almost a year to sink in - I like that.

I thought OTJF was Van Hunt polished up.

AlexdeParis said:

I'm glad it's not titled "Whut Were U Hopin 4."

Touche.

duccichucka said:

Good morning Alexa!

If Hunt, who you admit is already mysterious and clever, does something

that is mysterious and clever and it is recognizably mysterious and clever, how

is he "pretending" to be something he is not? The song title is mysterious and clever.

Agreed. And he's trying to be mysterious and clever. Agreed. And he actually pulls it off:

the song title is mysterious and clever; but didn't we agree the brother is already

mysterious and clever?! The dictionary gives two meanings: the first describes someone

who yells out for attention doing something they cannot do (this is not Hunt, who as

we both agree can be mysterious and clever). The second meaning describes one who

makes a demand of their talent; who is ambitious. (this is Hunt). You're accusing him

of the former; this is the definition I'm arguing against.

Where we disagree is your understanding of what you call the first definition of "pretentious."

Merriam-Webster:

: characterized by pretension: asa : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) <the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him — Richard Watts>b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language><pretentious houses>

The American Heritage Dictionary:

Dictionary.com:

making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

Again, I'm not talking about Van pretending to be something he isn't. I'm talking about what is quoted above: an affected and exaggerated outward show that I see as effort to "prove" he's something I already think he is.

You mention Prince. When did he start using "u" for "you", etc? It wasn't his first album was

it? Is Prince therefore pretentious?

Of course he is!

If you show off what you naturally possess, as

opposed to showing off what you do not naturally possess, you are not pretentious.

I know what you're saying: he's high falutin'. But he is high falutin' and he consistently

is high falutin'. He's not pretentious. Put it this way: Van Hunt showing off how

mysterious and clever he is; how pretentious (2nd meaning) he is; is not pretentious (1st

meaning)!

Everything you said about On The Jungle Floor is why I prefer Popular. OTJF is too

accessible for me. I agree with "Slow Dance" and "Hot Stage"...fucking awesome songs.

Nothing on Popular is as catchy as "Slow Dance." And I agree that Popular may be a greater artistic statement: maybe he had more freedom to do what he really is;

and that is be oblique? I dunno. I like Popular because it made me think about

what the hell he was doing musically. I could figure out the song structures,

chord progressions, etc for OTJF. Popular took almost a year to sink in - I like that.

I thought OTJF was Van Hunt polished up.

I think we're in agreement here. I'm actually going to pull out Popular today because I haven't heard it in a while.

duccichucka said:

Everything you said about On The Jungle Floor is why I prefer Popular. OTJF is too

accessible for me. I agree with "Slow Dance" and "Hot Stage"...fucking awesome songs.

Nothing on Popular is as catchy as "Slow Dance." And I agree that Popular may be a greater artistic statement: maybe he had more freedom to do what he really is;

and that is be oblique? I dunno. I like Popular because it made me think about

what the hell he was doing musically. I could figure out the song structures,

chord progressions, etc for OTJF. Popular took almost a year to sink in - I like that.

I thought OTJF was Van Hunt polished up.

I agree! The song structures on "Popular" are awesome. I admit when I first heard the album it threw me off a bit. I was expecting the sound of the self-titled/OTJF albums but Van brought something new.

I also love the album lyrically how it follows a break-up and the ensuing heart break and anger of breaking up with someone. Songs like "Ur A Monster Pt 1 & 2" and "Bits & Pieces" are awesome both musically and lyrically

AlexdeParis said:

duccichucka said:

Good morning Alexa!

If Hunt, who you admit is already mysterious and clever, does something

that is mysterious and clever and it is recognizably mysterious and clever, how

is he "pretending" to be something he is not? The song title is mysterious and clever.

Agreed. And he's trying to be mysterious and clever. Agreed. And he actually pulls it off:

the song title is mysterious and clever; but didn't we agree the brother is already

mysterious and clever?! The dictionary gives two meanings: the first describes someone

who yells out for attention doing something they cannot do (this is not Hunt, who as

we both agree can be mysterious and clever). The second meaning describes one who

makes a demand of their talent; who is ambitious. (this is Hunt). You're accusing him

of the former; this is the definition I'm arguing against.

Where we disagree is your understanding of what you call the first definition of "pretentious."

Merriam-Webster:

Everything you said about On The Jungle Floor is why I prefer Popular. OTJF is too

accessible for me. I agree with "Slow Dance" and "Hot Stage"...fucking awesome songs.

Nothing on Popular is as catchy as "Slow Dance." And I agree that Popular may be a greater artistic statement: maybe he had more freedom to do what he really is;

and that is be oblique? I dunno. I like Popular because it made me think about

what the hell he was doing musically. I could figure out the song structures,

chord progressions, etc for OTJF. Popular took almost a year to sink in - I like that.

I thought OTJF was Van Hunt polished up.

I think we're in agreement here. I'm actually going to pull out Popular today because I haven't heard it in a while.

Nein! Nein! Nein! Van Hunt is justified in being "mysterious" and "clever" because

he is mysterious and clever. How is the song title we are referring to an unjustified

claim as to what constitutes Hunt's authentic character (no pun intended)? He is not

affected because he is not putting on airs: he is pretentious (the 2nd meaning). You are

confusing the context of the word and how it is applied. So if he calls a song "The Savage

Sincere L of P," and we already know he's ambitious, mysterious and clever, how can

that be an unjustified claim of one who is affected?

You are not affected if you are what you are doing. Hunt is the poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox

geek in the class who would come up with a poem entitled "The Savage, Sincere L of P,"

and would get called "pretentious" because everybody else entitled their poem "I Love You,"

or "Excuse me, Miss." What you are essentially saying is that you know that Hunt is posing;

but how do you know he is not? All that he has given us thus far, is that he is actually the

poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox geek who comes up with poetic, lyrical, un-orthodoxical song

titles. Again, refer to my Urshur analogy: if he comes up with a title like the one referenced,

we would roll our eyes and say "Dude is posing; he's affected; he's being pretentious."

Van Hunt naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" is Van Hunt justly being Van Hunt -

what we've known him to do and known him to back up. He's not proving anything; he is

being himself.

Give him a break for being artistic and inventive in the face of what is heard on the radio.

duccichucka said:

AlexdeParis said:

I think we're in agreement here. I'm actually going to pull out Popular today because I haven't heard it in a while.

Nein! Nein! Nein! Van Hunt is justified in being "mysterious" and "clever" because

he is mysterious and clever. How is the song title we are referring to an unjustified

claim as to what constitutes Hunt's authentic character (no pun intended)? He is not

affected because he is not putting on airs: he is pretentious (the 2nd meaning). You are

confusing the context of the word and how it is applied. So if he calls a song "The Savage

Sincere L of P," and we already know he's ambitious, mysterious and clever, how can

that be an unjustified claim of one who is affected?

You are not affected if you are what you are doing. Hunt is the poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox

geek in the class who would come up with a poem entitled "The Savage, Sincere L of P,"

and would get called "pretentious" because everybody else entitled their poem "I Love You,"

or "Excuse me, Miss." What you are essentially saying is that you know that Hunt is posing;

but how do you know he is not? All that he has given us thus far, is that he is actually the

poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox geek who comes up with poetic, lyrical, un-orthodoxical song

titles. Again, refer to my Urshur analogy: if he comes up with a title like the one referenced,

we would roll our eyes and say "Dude is posing; he's affected; he's being pretentious."

Van Hunt naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" is Van Hunt justly being Van Hunt -

what we've known him to do and known him to back up. He's not proving anything; he is

being himself.

Give him a break for being artistic and inventive in the face of what is heard on the radio.

You are too much. I posted 4 definitions of the word. Because I was too lazy to snip the first definition from M-W, I bolded the relevant part. You proceeded to ignore what was in bold (and the 2 other definitions) and then you harp on the most extraneous word in that definition! Your buzz word "unjustified" is preceded by "usually." That means the aforementioned claims aren't normally justified but they could be. But I was referring to the 2nd definition anyway (again, the one I bolded). Whatever. I'm through with this argument of semantics because, as I said before, neither one of us can prove it. I've come to realize you are unable or unwilling to grasp that point.

If you don't think that song title is "expressive of an ... exaggerated importance," that's fine. If you don't think it's "an extravagant outward show" or "ostentatious," fine. I do.

I suggest you pay attention to your signature. It's only an opinion. You are not going to change my opinion by ignoring well established definitions of a word.

Your sincere L of P is strangely endearing, but your savage L of P isn't.

his past releases have nothing to do with the TOPIC at hand... his new album and tour.

AlexdeParis said:

duccichucka said:

Nein! Nein! Nein! Van Hunt is justified in being "mysterious" and "clever" because

he is mysterious and clever. How is the song title we are referring to an unjustified

claim as to what constitutes Hunt's authentic character (no pun intended)? He is not

affected because he is not putting on airs: he is pretentious (the 2nd meaning). You are

confusing the context of the word and how it is applied. So if he calls a song "The Savage

Sincere L of P," and we already know he's ambitious, mysterious and clever, how can

that be an unjustified claim of one who is affected?

You are not affected if you are what you are doing. Hunt is the poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox

geek in the class who would come up with a poem entitled "The Savage, Sincere L of P,"

and would get called "pretentious" because everybody else entitled their poem "I Love You,"

or "Excuse me, Miss." What you are essentially saying is that you know that Hunt is posing;

but how do you know he is not? All that he has given us thus far, is that he is actually the

poetic, lyrical, un-orthodox geek who comes up with poetic, lyrical, un-orthodoxical song

titles. Again, refer to my Urshur analogy: if he comes up with a title like the one referenced,

we would roll our eyes and say "Dude is posing; he's affected; he's being pretentious."

Van Hunt naming a song "The Savage, Sincere L of P" is Van Hunt justly being Van Hunt -

what we've known him to do and known him to back up. He's not proving anything; he is

being himself.

Give him a break for being artistic and inventive in the face of what is heard on the radio.

You are too much. I posted 4 definitions of the word. Because I was too lazy to snip the first definition from M-W, I bolded the relevant part. You proceeded to ignore what was in bold (and the 2 other definitions) and then you harp on the most extraneous word in that definition! Your buzz word "unjustified" is preceded by "usually." That means the aforementioned claims aren't normally justified but they could be. But I was referring to the 2nd definition anyway (again, the one I bolded). Whatever. I'm through with this argument of semantics because, as I said before, neither one of us can prove it. I've come to realize you are unable or unwilling to grasp that point.

If you don't think that song title is "expressive of an ... exaggerated importance," that's fine. If you don't think it's "an extravagant outward show" or "ostentatious," fine. I do.

I suggest you pay attention to your signature. It's only an opinion. You are not going to change my opinion by ignoring well established definitions of a word.

Your sincere L of P is strangely endearing, but your savage L of P isn't.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love your posts. I don't get how that anal female can have "its only an opinion" in her signature yet gets so pissed off at anyone that gives theirs. What a typing contradiction / hypocrite? She sounds pretentious her damn self.

PlayboyOriginal said:

AlexdeParis said:

You are too much. I posted 4 definitions of the word. Because I was too lazy to snip the first definition from M-W, I bolded the relevant part. You proceeded to ignore what was in bold (and the 2 other definitions) and then you harp on the most extraneous word in that definition! Your buzz word "unjustified" is preceded by "usually." That means the aforementioned claims aren't normally justified but they could be. But I was referring to the 2nd definition anyway (again, the one I bolded). Whatever. I'm through with this argument of semantics because, as I said before, neither one of us can prove it. I've come to realize you are unable or unwilling to grasp that point.

If you don't think that song title is "expressive of an ... exaggerated importance," that's fine. If you don't think it's "an extravagant outward show" or "ostentatious," fine. I do.

I suggest you pay attention to your signature. It's only an opinion. You are not going to change my opinion by ignoring well established definitions of a word.

Your sincere L of P is strangely endearing, but your savage L of P isn't.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love your posts. I don't get how that anal female can have "its only an opinion" in her signature yet gets so pissed off at anyone that gives theirs. What a typing contradiction / hypocrite? She sounds pretentious her damn self.

Hahah - I got you two hens hot. Hear me and hear me good:

Google search 'pretentious': here's what I immediately find: Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

Now, you are telling me that Hunt does not possess the ability/character/talent to entitle a song where the chorus is "it's the savage, sincere look of passion" as The Savage, Sincere L of P? You and I both agreed that Hunt is already mysterious and quirky. You do not have the proper context, Alexa, and are being a rockhead out of spite.

How is Hunt exaggerating his sense of self worth if he's the dude who genuinely entitles his songs The Savage, Sincere L of P? You are not using the word correctly and you are ignoring my Usher analogy because it makes sense and you are being obstinate so that you do not appear to have "lost" this discussion.

If Usher entitles a song what we are referencing, he's exaggerating his sense of self worth. That is not something Usher would do; it is not something he has done; Usher would be putting on a pretense; Usher would be affecting greater import than he has shown; Usher would be putting on airs; Usher would be trying to show that he's become an artiste. We would say Usher is being ostentatious. USHER - the guy who had a song called "Love in This Club," sit your dancing ass down.

If Van Hunt, who we all agree is artistic, un-orthodox, talented, quirky, and clever entitles his song we are referencing that title, how is he exaggerating what he is?! If you are naturally weird, how is it that giving a song a weird title is exaggerating that you are already weird? Even that would be weird! If what you do what is natural, whereas you are not affected - however grandiosely obscene, beautiful, outrageous, egregious or offensive the action is; however over the top the action is; however cool it is; if what you are doing is what you would normally do, you are not pretentious. If I use the word patchydermatous to describe you, I am not being pretentious in the sense you are using it; that is a word I would normally use to describe an obdurate person's obdurate argument. Hunt would normally entitle a song "The Savage, Sincere Look of P", and being that that phrase is in the dang gon' chorus, he is therefore not only being accurate (because of the chorus), but also not pretentious.

The only way one could call Hunt pretentious (again, I'm not yelling at you because the word itself need proper context in order to be used and it is fucking confusing at first) is because Merriam says secondly:

duccichucka said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

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I love your posts. I don't get how that anal female can have "its only an opinion" in her signature yet gets so pissed off at anyone that gives theirs. What a typing contradiction / hypocrite? She sounds pretentious her damn self.

Hahah - I got you two hens hot. Hear me and hear me good:

Google search 'pretentious': here's what I immediately find: Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

Now, you are telling me that Hunt does not possess the ability/character/talent to entitle a song where the chorus is "it's the savage, sincere look of passion" as The Savage, Sincere L of P? You and I both agreed that Hunt is already mysterious and quirky. You do not have the proper context, Alexa, and are being a rockhead out of spite.

How is Hunt exaggerating his sense of self worth if he's the dude who genuinely entitles his songs The Savage, Sincere L of P? You are not using the word correctly and you are ignoring my Usher analogy because it makes sense and you are being obstinate so that you do not appear to have "lost" this discussion.

If Usher entitles a song what we are referencing, he's exaggerating his sense of self worth. That is not something Usher would do; it is not something he has done; Usher would be putting on a pretense; Usher would be affecting greater import than he has shown; Usher would be putting on airs; Usher would be trying to show that he's become an artiste. We would say Usher is being ostentatious. USHER - the guy who had a song called "Love in This Club," sit your dancing ass down.

If Van Hunt, who we all agree is artistic, un-orthodox, talented, quirky, and clever entitles his song we are referencing that title, how is he exaggerating what he is?! If you are naturally weird, how is it that giving a song a weird title is exaggerating that you are already weird? Even that would be weird! If what you do what is natural, whereas you are not affected - however grandiosely obscene, beautiful, outrageous, egregious or offensive the action is; however over the top the action is; however cool it is; if what you are doing is what you would normally do, you are not pretentious. If I use the word patchydermatous to describe you, I am not being pretentious in the sense you are using it; that is a word I would normally use to describe an obdurate person's obdurate argument. Hunt would normally entitle a song "The Savage, Sincere Look of P", and being that that phrase is in the dang gon' chorus, he is therefore not only being accurate (because of the chorus), but also not pretentious.

The only way one could call Hunt pretentious (again, I'm not yelling at you because the word itself need proper context in order to be used and it is fucking confusing at first) is because Merriam says secondly:

2: making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious

If that is what you mean by Hunt's title being pretentious, then let's break bread together and sup on this here wine. If not, soda and crackers are in the back. Van Hunt is not affected, ostentatious; he does not exaggerate an already quirky and unique sensibility; he is not pretentious in that regard. If you consider how our generation has not received him, he obviously is only misunderstood.

This discussion has nothing to do with an opinion; it has everything to do with simple plain ol' use of English. I'm sorry I took this thread off the author's original intent.

It has to do with your inability to understand plain English and your assumption that just because Van does something, it's natural (and that's where opinion comes in). Now you've resorted to name-calling because your pride won't let you drop an argument you're never going to win. No, I'm not two hens hot. I was merely trying to help you when I thought you didn't understand, but you clearly don't want to understand. If you have any more names besides "rockhead" and "dumbass," feel free to include them in your next overlong, self-important post. Your opinion is completely irrelevant to me; indeed, I'm beginning to understand exactly why you have problems with the word "pretentious." The last word is yours if you want it... and we all know you do.

mimi02 said:

It's good to hear that he's still around. I have to admit I haven't been following him as a I should be. I know that I'm very much still in love with "Dust" and "Down Here in Hell". Those two sounds are in constant rotation. And I think he's kinda cute...to boot. LOL

I know I'm such a girl.....LOL

you just can't help being one, I guess.

VAN!! I can't wait!

thekidsgirl said:

VAN!! I can't wait!

Still planning to meet up in Richmond?

So, is this guy worth seeing or not? I can't tell from this thread... He's gonna be in town and I'm flirting with the idea of going but not if he's a let down.