prodigalfan said:

bboy87 said:

he is with Janet a lot

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and may I say Rebbie is lookin' REAL good for 61.....

I was just about to say that this young man looks like Janet especially his smile... then I realized that Janet and Rebbie look alike especially by their smiles.

If it's one thing the Jacksons share, it's great smiles.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Now now...

he is with Janet a lot

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and may I say Rebbie is lookin' REAL good for 61.....

Heres the thing I find Strange About Austin & Janet even thought he looks nothing like A DeBarge Janet & Austin do seem to be close & Hes the Only child you hear Janet was talking to during Michael's death , & Since Austin is now A Pop R&B Artist In A TV Interview & Another Magazine Interview he mentioned Auntie Janet Talking to him about the Music Industry & giving him A pep Talk about his Career , in the 2300 Jackson Street Video if you look You'll see Janet holding Austin in the video & on The Jackson Reality TV Show you can hear Janet talking about spending time with Austin & just this past year Austin posted hanging out with Aunt Janet for her 45th birthday .

So I'm not saying He's her Kid or Son , But one could think hmmmmmm Hes Rebbie's Son but hes always seen & seem to be around Aunt Janet alot Aunt Janet seems to talk about her Nephew a lot & it doesn't help that He was also born in 1985 around the time Janet was suppose to be Pregnant by James , Austin Was born November 22 1985 .

Once again I'm not saying he's the Kid , But her been closer to Only him & him been born in 1985 during the time Etterlene & everyone claims she was showing & very Pregnant kinda makes you Wonder , & Like I said The Child doesn't have to be A Light skin kid to be A DeBarge .

Just Saying If you look at it you might Find yourself Thinking Maybe Her Nephew Austin Is the Secret Child & since he blends into Rebbie's Family I wouldn't Doubt that Janet Had Austin in 1985 & gave him to Rebbie & everyone is thinking Hes Rebbie's Son due to him not looking like A DeBarge so He blends in with Rebbie's Older 2 Daughters However I find it Strange hes born in 1985 & Hes Closer to Aunt Janet then any other Kid in The Jackson Family .

& you know what I wouldn't doubt it that when Janet Dies I bet you her Nephew Austin will be on her Will & Estate since shes seems closer to him .

[Edited 9/8/11 21:15pm]

^

Super interesting. I have never heard of this nephew before. I guess I really don't follow the Jackson that closely.

It is intereting. You know, the same thing happened to Jack Nicholson. I'm just saying that it is a possiblity especially since Janet has NEVER, NOT EVER denied the rumor.

People keep wondering why James doesn't stop his family. just maybe, he was compelled by a legal agreement (gag order) to not reveal the truth... but at the same time, I don't think a court order could COMPELL someone to TELL A LIE. Maybe that is why he doesn't deny it.. and in fact is mum about it.

Prince has gag orders all the time... I am pretty sure other celebrities has them as well. I am not surprised, (nor have I ever thought) that James is quiet as a mouse on this subject, less he has to give that money back.

Also, maybe he is just respecting her desire to keep it on the quiet.

Austin's actually giving me strong Janet vibes right now.

prodigalfan said:

^

Super interesting. I have never heard of this nephew before. I guess I really don't follow the Jackson that closely.

It is intereting. You know, the same thing happened to Jack Nicholson. I'm just saying that it is a possiblity especially since Janet has NEVER, NOT EVER denied the rumor.

People keep wondering why James doesn't stop his family. just maybe, he was compelled by a legal agreement (gag order) to not reveal the truth... but at the same time, I don't think a court order could COMPELL someone to TELL A LIE. Maybe that is why he doesn't deny it.. and in fact is mum about it.

Prince has gag orders all the time... I am pretty sure other celebrities has them as well. I am not surprised, (nor have I ever thought) that James is quiet as a mouse on this subject, less he has to give that money back.

Also, maybe he is just respecting her desire to keep it on the quiet.

James does have a gag order, so does Janet. Both have agreed not to reveal much of what went down in their marriage. That's why neither one of them have said little about the marriage, other than "we married at the wrong time". They both seemed in love though.

And yeah contrary to popular belief, not ALL the DeBarges are light-skinned. Some of El's, Tommy's and Marty's kids are darker skinned.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

^

Super interesting. I have never heard of this nephew before. I guess I really don't follow the Jackson that closely.

It is intereting. You know, the same thing happened to Jack Nicholson. I'm just saying that it is a possiblity especially since Janet has NEVER, NOT EVER denied the rumor.

People keep wondering why James doesn't stop his family. just maybe, he was compelled by a legal agreement (gag order) to not reveal the truth... but at the same time, I don't think a court order could COMPELL someone to TELL A LIE. Maybe that is why he doesn't deny it.. and in fact is mum about it.

Prince has gag orders all the time... I am pretty sure other celebrities has them as well. I am not surprised, (nor have I ever thought) that James is quiet as a mouse on this subject, less he has to give that money back.

Also, maybe he is just respecting her desire to keep it on the quiet.

James does have a gag order, so does Janet. Both have agreed not to reveal much of what went down in their marriage. That's why neither one of them have said little about the marriage, other than "we married at the wrong time". They both seemed in love though.

Yeah, I remembered at the time, thinking they were like the modern day Romeo and Juliet.

I have also heard rumors that the Debarges were ghetto and when the Jackson had a welcome to the family dinner for the happy newlyweds and new inlaws, that it was suspected that someone from the Debarge family helped themselves to items that did not belong to them.

Poor Janet and James.

Here's a video of Austin performing on the George Lopez show. Ya know his voice does kinda sound like a Debarge...just sayin...

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

James does have a gag order, so does Janet. Both have agreed not to reveal much of what went down in their marriage. That's why neither one of them have said little about the marriage, other than "we married at the wrong time". They both seemed in love though.

Yeah, I remembered at the time, thinking they were like the modern day Romeo and Juliet.

I have also heard rumors that the Debarges were ghetto and when the Jackson had a welcome to the family dinner for the happy newlyweds and new inlaws, that it was suspected that someone from the Debarge family helped themselves to items that did not belong to them.

Poor Janet and James.

If you believe what Babyface said in their documentary, yeah I can believe they were. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did help themselves to things that weren't theirs for them to take. The Jacksons were sheltered, the DeBarges were exposed to everything growing up. Both dysfunctional families also but with very different backgrounds. It does sound like a Romeo and Juliet love affair. I wonder how long Janet and James were together before they married? Like '82 or something?

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Yeah, I remembered at the time, thinking they were like the modern day Romeo and Juliet.

I have also heard rumors that the Debarges were ghetto and when the Jackson had a welcome to the family dinner for the happy newlyweds and new inlaws, that it was suspected that someone from the Debarge family helped themselves to items that did not belong to them.

Poor Janet and James.

If you believe what Babyface said in their documentary, yeah I can believe they were. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did help themselves to things that weren't theirs for them to take. The Jacksons were sheltered, the DeBarges were exposed to everything growing up. Both dysfunctional families also but with very different backgrounds. It does sound like a Romeo and Juliet love affair. I wonder how long Janet and James were together before they married? Like '82 or something?

Yeah I saw that Unsung documentary too, Babyface and El's wife both said that the Debarges were ghetto and Jermaine told a story about how there was a vending machine in the recording studio they were in and the some of the Debarge brothers broke into it and grabbed the stuff inside lol.

Timmy84 said:

And yeah contrary to popular belief, not ALL the DeBarges are light-skinned. Some of El's, Tommy's and Marty's kids are darker skinned.

For that matter, some of the Debarges themselves are rather on the dark side. Some are high yellow like El and James but there is one who had a heavy mustache and looked more brown skinned then yellow.

And the Jacksons have dark brown coloring in their genes. Who knows. I just always though Janet and James's baby would be light skinned and straight or wavy hair. And I don't know why.... I just always thought it was a female.

But this nephew... Janet holding him in certain family events.... See that is the kind of stuff that makes me go And the birthdate is really really something. Because that is exactly the time I thought the baby was born... around late fall.

I seemed to recall it being announced in newspaper that Janet would not return to the new season of Fame. New season started in September. It was around January of that next year that I read that article in I believe it was Ebony. And I remember the clothes they wore in the pictures were more long sleeve fall/winter.

The Picture I am referring to... Janet was standing in front of a window, looking out the window like comtemplating. James is standing behind her with his hands presumably around her waist and Janet is angling her head on his shoulder and he is holding his head close to hers.

The photo was taken from behind and is above the waist. But when I saw it the first thing I thought of was those cheesy posey that Olan Mills will have pregnant couples pose for pictures.

That was the exact picture. Janet had her hair up in a french roll. And her face was WIDE, not just fat or pudgy, it was wide, spread out.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

If you believe what Babyface said in their documentary, yeah I can believe they were. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did help themselves to things that weren't theirs for them to take. The Jacksons were sheltered, the DeBarges were exposed to everything growing up. Both dysfunctional families also but with very different backgrounds. It does sound like a Romeo and Juliet love affair. I wonder how long Janet and James were together before they married? Like '82 or something?

Yeah I saw that Unsung documentary too, Babyface and El's wife both said that the Debarges were ghetto and Jermaine told a story about how there was a vending machine in the recording studio they were in and the some of the Debarge brothers broke into it and grabbed the stuff inside lol.

Don't forget Monique DeBarge (El's ex) saying that "you know you're in a DeBarge house where there's a hole in the wall".

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

And yeah contrary to popular belief, not ALL the DeBarges are light-skinned. Some of El's, Tommy's and Marty's kids are darker skinned.

For that matter, some of the Debarges themselves are rather on the dark side. Some are high yellow like El and James but there is one who had a heavy mustache and looked more brown skinned then yellow.

And the Jacksons have dark brown coloring in their genes. Who knows. I just always though Janet and James's baby would be light skinned and straight or wavy hair. And I don't know why.... I just always thought it was a female.

But this nephew... Janet holding him in certain family events.... See that is the kind of stuff that makes me go And the birthdate is really really something. Because that is exactly the time I thought the baby was born... around late fall.

I seemed to recall it being announced in newspaper that Janet would not return to the new season of Fame. New season started in September. It was around January of that next year that I read that article in I believe it was Ebony. And I remember the clothes they wore in the pictures were more long sleeve fall/winter.

The Picture I am referring to... Janet was standing in front of a window, looking out the window like comtemplating. James is standing behind her with his hands presumably around her waist and Janet is angling her head on his shoulder and he is holding his head close to hers.

The photo was taken from behind and is above the waist. But when I saw it the first thing I thought of was those cheesy posey that Olan Mills will have pregnant couples pose for pictures.

That was the exact picture. Janet had her hair up in a french roll. And her face was WIDE, not just fat or pudgy, it was wide, spread out.

Hmm interesting. But you never know how things turn out when it comes to skin complexions, especially in black families. Most of the Jacksons were brown-skinned with the exceptions of La Toya and Marlon (though he was darker skinned as a child) and most of the DeBarges were very light except for, I guess, Marty, Bunny and Tommy.

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Yeah I saw that Unsung documentary too, Babyface and El's wife both said that the Debarges were ghetto and Jermaine told a story about how there was a vending machine in the recording studio they were in and the some of the Debarge brothers broke into it and grabbed the stuff inside lol.

Don't forget Monique DeBarge (El's ex) saying that "you know you're in a DeBarge house where there's a hole in the wall".

Yep!

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Yeah, I remembered at the time, thinking they were like the modern day Romeo and Juliet.

I have also heard rumors that the Debarges were ghetto and when the Jackson had a welcome to the family dinner for the happy newlyweds and new inlaws, that it was suspected that someone from the Debarge family helped themselves to items that did not belong to them.

Poor Janet and James.

If you believe what Babyface said in their documentary, yeah I can believe they were. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did help themselves to things that weren't theirs for them to take. The Jacksons were sheltered, the DeBarges were exposed to everything growing up. Both dysfunctional families also but with very different backgrounds. It does sound like a Romeo and Juliet love affair. I wonder how long Janet and James were together before they married? Like '82 or something?

Janet and I are the same age. She is older than me by a few months. I seem to recall reading letters to the editor of Right On asking if the rumor was true that James and Janet were dating... and of course it was denied. They were "just good friends". Then the marriage certificate surfaced.

I seemed to think I was like a senior in high school. 1984, and Janet and James were married in 1985. The more I think of it... It only makes sense why Janet would elope in freakin midwest WITHOUT ANY FAMILY... NOT EVEN LATOYA, who she was rather close to at that time unless it was something pretty dang on big. I think she was pg.

and unless Janet Jackson or James Debarge says otherwise... that is what I am going to believe.

Lets not forget The Story has it that Janet's Sister Rebbie was raisen the Child , then it moves from Rebbie to Jackie due to many thrown up Jackie's Daughter Brandi who many think or Thought was the kid .

However I'm just thrown around A senerio : What If Janet had Austin in 1985 gave him to Rebbie & Her Husband Nathaniel to Raise & since he's Dark Skined & looks like Rebbie's 2 Other Daughter's No body has never notice anything & Janet has been in the Child's life as Aunt But hes really her Son .

Cause I'm like Hes around Janet a lot & he talks about his Aunt Janet a lot I'm like he is 25 years old same age as Janet & James's Chhild would be today he sings & dance & stuff .

I'm like No body would notice Unless you Just Notice things & I'm like everyone is looking for A light skined Baby or person to Jump out Or be Revealed I'm like Austin does Match Some of the Story With him been born in 1985 , Rebbie been his mother & him been around Aunt Janet all the time Does make you Wonder rather if Austin isn't the Child & everyone is Passing him By due to him not Fiting the Light Skinned DeBarge .

Which this would be easy to hide since everyone including the DeBarge Family are thrown around Light skinned Kids that are related or associated to the Family No one is looking at the Brown Skin Children that are in the Family or Associated with the Jacksons .

[Edited 9/8/11 23:37pm]

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

If you believe what Babyface said in their documentary, yeah I can believe they were. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did help themselves to things that weren't theirs for them to take. The Jacksons were sheltered, the DeBarges were exposed to everything growing up. Both dysfunctional families also but with very different backgrounds. It does sound like a Romeo and Juliet love affair. I wonder how long Janet and James were together before they married? Like '82 or something?

Janet and I are the same age. She is older than me by a few months. I seem to recall reading letters to the editor of Right On asking if the rumor was true that James and Janet were dating... and of course it was denied. They were "just good friends". Then the marriage certificate surfaced.

I seemed to think I was like a senior in high school. 1984, and Janet and James were married in 1985. The more I think of it... It only makes sense why Janet would elope in freakin midwest WITHOUT ANY FAMILY... NOT EVEN LATOYA, who she was rather close to at that time unless it was something pretty dang on big. I think she was pg.

and unless Janet Jackson or James Debarge says otherwise... that is what I am going to believe.

Yea! I saw Janet & James @ Six flags magic mountain together in the summer of 84. I was there for my after prom. I had knew they were dating. It was revealed shortly after that they eloped. They did briefly move together in there own place. But La toya said in her tell all book, Janet use to get up in the middle of the night. Drive in her mercedes and go look for and pick up James in the drug ridden areas of south central LA. She said she was scared for her. But Janet seemed unbothered & use to it. I thought that part was funny. La toya seem so naive for a women her age.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prodigalfan said:

Janet and I are the same age. She is older than me by a few months. I seem to recall reading letters to the editor of Right On asking if the rumor was true that James and Janet were dating... and of course it was denied. They were "just good friends". Then the marriage certificate surfaced.

I seemed to think I was like a senior in high school. 1984, and Janet and James were married in 1985. The more I think of it... It only makes sense why Janet would elope in freakin midwest WITHOUT ANY FAMILY... NOT EVEN LATOYA, who she was rather close to at that time unless it was something pretty dang on big. I think she was pg.

and unless Janet Jackson or James Debarge says otherwise... that is what I am going to believe.

Yea! I saw Janet & James @ Six flags magic mountain together in the summer of 84. I was there for my after prom. I had knew they were dating. It was revealed shortly after that they eloped. They did briefly move together in there own place. But La toya said in her tell all book, Janet use to get up in the middle of the night. Drive in her mercedes and go look for and pick up James in the drug ridden areas of south central LA. She said she was scared for her. But Janet seemed unbothered & use to it. I thought that part was funny. La toya seem so naive for a women her age.

Latoya was sheltered the most, even more than Michael.

Timmy84 said:

Austin's actually giving me strong Janet vibes right now.

here we go again,opening another can of worms

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

Austin's actually giving me strong Janet vibes right now.

here we go again,opening another can of worms

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

Austin's actually giving me strong Janet vibes right now.

here we go again,opening another can of worms

I'm Just not Understanding why Janet won't just come out & say Yes or No to this rumor why all the Secret & if I was the Child I would want to know who my real mother & father are & I would be Pissed off at Both Janet for not Acknowledging me & The DeBarge Family for trying to gain Money off me as A way of Cashing in on me I think I would try to work on my relationship with Janet But I wouldn't want to deal with The DeBarge's & then going to them Media to try to make money off of A child to me seen how the Grandmother is I wouldn't even want to meet any of them But I would try to have A Private Daughter relationship with Janet & James .

Hell don't get me started It makes you wonder were is the kid , Could the kid be any of us on this board kinda Scarey ...........LOL Just saying .

& I'm like Just think of how many Babies born in 1985 who were Adopted which could be a lot & who's to say its not one of us on here right now ...lol since you can hide a lot of stuff on A adopted childs birth rcords & birth certificate .

[Edited 9/9/11 8:57am]

[Edited 9/9/11 8:58am]

alphastreet said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Yea! I saw Janet & James @ Six flags magic mountain together in the summer of 84. I was there for my after prom. I had knew they were dating. It was revealed shortly after that they eloped. They did briefly move together in there own place. But La toya said in her tell all book, Janet use to get up in the middle of the night. Drive in her mercedes and go look for and pick up James in the drug ridden areas of south central LA. She said she was scared for her. But Janet seemed unbothered & use to it. I thought that part was funny. La toya seem so naive for a women her age.

Latoya was sheltered the most, even more than Michael.

Yea! I realized that when she did the many talk shows promoting or exploiting her new book. She said she thought everybody was nice, until she was kidnapped by a family friend that supposedly kept her hostage, "forced" her to say those nasty evil mean things about her family mainly MJ. She said she was very naive & didn't know no better. It made me realize that its possible for someone to be sheltered like that & plus her JW believes. But I'm still very suspect, that she was that stupid to throw her whole family under the bus. Even her sweet mother Katherine. Seems more like envy & jealousy to me.

^ I think Latoya was strung out and being abused by her husband. He saw a cash cow that was naive and grabbed hold of her. I remember hearing that they (being Latoya and husband) held the familiy compound "hostage".

The story goes, when Katherine and Joe had problems (I think an outside child was discovered) that Katherine had the family home put in Latoya's name to protect the asset during a pending divorce. I guess the divorce never happened and nobody thought to transfer the property out of Latoya's name. It didn't matter anyway because Latoya was like a lamb.

Years, many years later, she married this scoundrel who discovered this little fact and they (mainly him) threatened to sell off the family property in small lots... that the Jacksons would be living in a project development instead of a luxury spacious estate. MJ had to basically pay them off. When that money went dry, then Latoya wrote this tell all book.

I really think Latoya was on drugs and this man was whopping her azz. The family had to "kidnapp" Latoya away from him. The things she did while she was with him... either she was insane or drugged out.

[Edited 9/9/11 10:43am]

prodigalfan said:

SoulAlive said:

here we go again,opening another can of worms

right! Because I have never heard of Austin before and now... I think we have a winner here....

me neither.Does anyone recall Rebbie being pregnant in 1985? She was riding high with "Centipede".

prodigalfan said:

^ I think Latoya was strung out and being abused by her husband. He saw a cash cow that was naive and grabbed hold of her. I remember hearing that they (being Latoya and husband) held the familiy compound "hostage".

The story goes, when Katherine and Joe had problems (I think an outside child was discovered) that Katherine had the family home put in Latoya's name to protect the asset during a pending divorce. I guess the divorce never happened and nobody thought to transfer the property out of Latoya's name. It didn't matter anyway because Latoya was like a lamb.

Years, many years later, she married this scoundrel who discovered this little fact and they (mainly him) threatened to sell off the family property in small lots... that the Jacksons would be living in a project development instead of a luxury spacious estate. MJ had to basically pay them off. When that money went dry, then Latoya wrote this tell all book.

I really think Latoya was on drugs and this man was whopping her azz. The family had to "kidnapp" Latoya away from him. The things she did while she was with him... either she was insane or drugged out.

[Edited 9/9/11 10:43am]

When Joe had Johvonnie, the family was staying in Vegas at the time because Joe had them doing stints at the MGM Grand and hotel resorts while they weren't touring (which was often. They would tour for months, then have a couple of weeks off, then be off touring again). I don't think they could've put the house in LaToya's name because she wasn't 18 yet. After Off The Wall, Michael bought the house from his parents and renovated it. Katherine did give a share of the house to LaToya at that time though, but Michael was the majority owner. He paid EVERYTHING in and for the house until he died

bboy87 said:

prodigalfan said:

^ I think Latoya was strung out and being abused by her husband. He saw a cash cow that was naive and grabbed hold of her. I remember hearing that they (being Latoya and husband) held the familiy compound "hostage".

The story goes, when Katherine and Joe had problems (I think an outside child was discovered) that Katherine had the family home put in Latoya's name to protect the asset during a pending divorce. I guess the divorce never happened and nobody thought to transfer the property out of Latoya's name. It didn't matter anyway because Latoya was like a lamb.

Years, many years later, she married this scoundrel who discovered this little fact and they (mainly him) threatened to sell off the family property in small lots... that the Jacksons would be living in a project development instead of a luxury spacious estate. MJ had to basically pay them off. When that money went dry, then Latoya wrote this tell all book.

I really think Latoya was on drugs and this man was whopping her azz. The family had to "kidnapp" Latoya away from him. The things she did while she was with him... either she was insane or drugged out.

[Edited 9/9/11 10:43am]

When Joe had Johvonnie, the family was staying in Vegas at the time because Joe had them doing stints at the MGM Grand and hotel resorts while they weren't touring (which was often. They would tour for months, then have a couple of weeks off, then be off touring again). I don't think they could've put the house in LaToya's name because she wasn't 18 yet. After Off The Wall, Michael bought the house from his parents and renovated it. Katherine did give a share of the house to LaToya at that time though, but Michael was the majority owner. He paid EVERYTHING in and for the house until he died

@BBOY87

thats what I thought too that Michael owned Hayvenhurst & that he paid for it up until his Death in 2009 But they bought the home in 1980?_____Something so wouldn't the house be Paid for by now or by 09" If Mike was paying on it I would think the house would be Paid for by the early 90's Maybe i'm wrong .

SoulAlive said:

prodigalfan said:

right! Because I have never heard of Austin before and now... I think we have a winner here....

me neither.Does anyone recall Rebbie being pregnant in 1985? She was riding high with "Centipede".

I've never seen pictures of Rebbie Pregnant back in the 80's But a lot of people including Etterlene claims they saw Janet Pregnant around 1984 & 85 .

& on Youtube theres A Video someone put up Of The Jackson Brothers Tour in 1984 & at the End The Family comes out & Janet comes out & shes wearing A White Blouse & carrying Emmanuel Lewis & She looks very Pregnant in the Video If I can find that Video I'll post the link here for everyone to see Cause It clearly looks like Janet is Pregnant & it was 1984 & shes holding Emmanuel Lewis & she turns to the side & it Clearly looks lke shes 6 or 7 months long ........LOL I'll have to find that Video & link you all to it .

Actually Michael got the full own of the house in the 2000's because of the Korean case with the family, They (Jackson family) cancelled a show they said would feature Michael in Korea, and they owe money to the Korean company because of that (other) failure.

So since they don't want to give the Koreans the money, they put the house on Michael's name so Michael got all the crap and the Jacksons didn't have to deal with it anymore. That's also the reason why GLE (the upcoming disaster concert) gave a 100 000$ check to katherine saying it was a trust for MJ's kids.. cause if they'd have said it's just a check for Katherine, Koreans would have said, please hand us the check, thank you for your first payement.

this just gets more and more interesting