Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Let me just say this about Mrs. Debarge.

I am not in any way defending her actions or lack of actions when she was married to her kids father.

But I did see the Unsung episode where she tried to explain why she stayed.

She had left this man several times for his abuse of her. But as she said in the show.... she did not have any skills... and she had all those "damn kids". Now she didn't say "damn kids" but it was implied that this is what her family said and felt "when here comes Etterline with all those damn kids again"

It is not like she was going to find a new man to take care of all those kids. She did not have skills to go out and get a job. Welfare was not what it is today back in the 50's and 60's.

She had a white man's kids during a time that there was a lot racial tension. It was probably hard for her to fit in with a bunch of white looking kids.

So as she said in the interview... what was she to do? Go to a homeless shelter. People really don't want to do that.

I don't believe and have never heard that she was fully aware of the abuse of her daughter. She may have had a brief suscipicion that was explained away by her husband and even the abused. And really back in those days... people didn't really talk about incest... this was before Oprah, and Phil Donahue. People didn't talk about that. You only really thought this could happen if the man was not the biological father. People didn't really think that a father could or would want to do something like that with his own children.

It sounds like this woman was stuck in a rock and a hard place. He probably promised the abuse would never happen again... by this time who ever was hosting this bunch was probably hinting that the kids where tearing up the house, or eating them out of house and home. Etterline probably went back hoping this time it would be different.

Also, as far as abuse of the children... different people have different perceptions. He may have been quick to whoop, and maybe the infraction was minor... and therefore it was abuse to the children... rightfully so... but to the adults during that time... maybe it was looked at like the father was really strict. You know, the Jackson's father and even Prince's father was accused of being abusive. MJ says Joe was definitely abusive, and Prince said that his father was... intense or something like that. Yet the mothers stayed as well. (except Prince's mother... but then she did only have 2 kids... Etterline and Katherine had a mess of kids... and they stayed.

Back in the 70s when I was coming up... abuse meant that your dad or mom took their fist and tried to put it through your face... or they burned you with an iron or cigarettes.. or they gave you a black eye or bloody nose.

To get a whooping that left welts and yes even an occasional bruise was not thought of as abuse... it was thought of as discipline. Now today, any form of corpal punishment is viewed as abuse. and rightfully so.

I am just trying to give a different POV to ETterline's story.

And let's not forget that birth control was not reliable. I have as a kid, seen several women who had no good men... who were either abusive or stone cold cheaters... the man would come back home, or the woman would come back home... they would make up... the woman would get pregnant again.. and then the couple would break up.

Everytime the man came back, the woman would get pregnant and have a new baby. It was an unending cycle.

I think this was the case with Etterline. She probably thought at the time she was doing the right thing for her children.... she was keeping the family together and keeping them out of a homeless shelter... they were living in a house, they had clothes to wear, food to eat, was going to church and school.... if only the dad can keep his job and not lose his temper.... so I can imagine her praying to God to help her, and telling the kids to be good so that dad can do what he needs to to take care of them.

She probably didn't fully realize that by enduring the abuse for herself she was also condemning her children to endure it as well.

While that may be all true and her story's downright sad, it doesn't excuse her trying to pin the tail on the Jackson in hopes she has a grandson with Michael and Janet's genepool...

I Agree with Timmy84 still doesn't Make sence Nor is it A Excuse , & She comes out with Now its A grand son , When Her Son's Both EL & Darell has Said its A Daughter Darell "Young" DeBarge even Named the Daughter as been "Renee" , Now shes Coming out saying its A grandson & its Omer Bhatti .

I'm like What if it is A girl & shes Going off Saying its A Son .....LOL Cause I believe its A girl the Rumor as always been A Baby girl , & I even think James may know its A Girl .

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I Believe Janet Has A Daughter whom ever the Girl is shes been kept well hidden , But I Believe its A Girl Janet had w/James DeBarge , & Even El & Young DeBarge both have came out & claimed They Have A Niece with Janet & its always have been A Daughter Janet Had .

I think since Etterlene can't find A Girl Named "Renee" within the Family Now shes trying to make it out that Janet & James Has A Son & its Omer Bhatti when shes not thinking that Maybe Janet could have had A Daughter & the girl is Been kept well hidden through A Adoption or so on & that Janet Knows & James May know But both are choosen to Keep everything Private .

But Its not Omer Bhatti for Sure , i Think Its A Daughter & Shes been Kept out of the media & well Kept hidden possibly for A Good Reason .

But Omer Bhatti Would not Have came to mind Cause He looks Iranian/& White .........LOL

Who ever Janets Daughter is ,Is possibly Some were Under radar & isn't within the Jackson Family . & Yes I say its A Daughter Cause I Have A feeling If theres A Real Child Its A Daughter & Not A Son Like Etterlene is trying to Claim .

I don't believe there is a living child of James and Janet. I do belive that she was at one time pregnant by him and that's why they married hastily and in secret. I also believe that she miscarried. That's it really. They busted up because of his drug use and probably her controlling father from hell Joseph.

The only question I ever had about those Debarges/Jacksons was how come none of the Debarge men tried to hit up LaToya. She was a looker back then. One of them should have wifed her.

HotGritz said:

I don't believe there is a living child of James and Janet. I do belive that she was at one time pregnant by him and that's why they married hastily and in secret. I also believe that she miscarried. That's it really. They busted up because of his drug use and probably her controlling father from hell Joseph.

I agree.I believe that Janet was pregnant,probably in late 1984,and that's why they rushed into marriage.Her miscarriage (or abortion) coincided with their hasty annulment.

HotGritz said:

I don't believe there is a living child of James and Janet. I do belive that she was at one time pregnant by him and that's why they married hastily and in secret. I also believe that she miscarried. That's it really. They busted up because of his drug use and probably her controlling father from hell Joseph.

The only question I ever had about those Debarges/Jacksons was how come none of the Debarge men tried to hit up LaToya. She was a looker back then. One of them should have wifed her.

One of the Sylvers allegedly used hit on her back in the day when she still looked human.

HotGritz said:

The only question I ever had about those Debarges/Jacksons was how come none of the Debarge men tried to hit up LaToya. She was a looker back then. One of them should have wifed her.

I could be wrong,but I think that Bobby DeBarge had a major crush on LaToya.On the 1980 Switch song "You And I",he starts the song off by saying "I heard you on the radio last night,the words you said..."I'm your nighttime lover".He was obviously referring to her song "Nighttime Lover".

SoulAlive said:

HotGritz said:

The only question I ever had about those Debarges/Jacksons was how come none of the Debarge men tried to hit up LaToya. She was a looker back then. One of them should have wifed her.

I could be wrong,but I think that Bobby DeBarge had a major crush on LaToya.On the 1980 Switch song "You And I",he starts the song off by saying "I heard you on the radio last night,the words you said..."I'm your nighttime lover".He was obviously referring to her song "Nighttime Lover".

You are not wrong. It's common knowledge Bobby was in love with La Toya.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

I could be wrong,but I think that Bobby DeBarge had a major crush on LaToya.On the 1980 Switch song "You And I",he starts the song off by saying "I heard you on the radio last night,the words you said..."I'm your nighttime lover".He was obviously referring to her song "Nighttime Lover".

You are not wrong. It's common knowledge Bobby was in love with La Toya.

This may sound strange to some but had Bobby and LaToya gotten together, they may have saved each other....from themselves. I mean look at the outcome. One had a terrible drug problem, struggled with demons from his past, and the other well....she was just dumb and naive and in constant need of a benefactor or mentor. I think they would have been good together and helped each other. Not an odd pairing when you really think about it.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

You are not wrong. It's common knowledge Bobby was in love with La Toya.

This may sound strange to some but had Bobby and LaToya gotten together, they may have saved each other....from themselves. I mean look at the outcome. One had a terrible drug problem, struggled with demons from his past, and the other well....she was just dumb and naive and in constant need of a benefactor or mentor. I think they would have been good together and helped each other. Not an odd pairing when you really think about it.

Not to mention La Toya's troubled relationship with her dear old dad. It might've worked... you're right.

SoulAlive said:

HotGritz said:

I don't believe there is a living child of James and Janet. I do belive that she was at one time pregnant by him and that's why they married hastily and in secret. I also believe that she miscarried. That's it really. They busted up because of his drug use and probably her controlling father from hell Joseph.

I agree.I believe that Janet was pregnant,probably in late 1984,and that's why they rushed into marriage.Her miscarriage (or abortion) coincided with their hasty annulment.

Very plausible explanation. I can believe this. And it really makes more sense than a child being held secret after all these years. It would also explain how Janet appeared prg in late 1984. Yes, this was the time. I seem to remember (or thought) that she would be due in the fall... maybe November?? I dunno this seems to ring a bell.

SoulAlive said:

I always thought Latoya was one of the prettiest girls in the spotlight during this time. Wasn't that her own hair? She did have a nose job here, but it really fit her face and she could have been a model. Also when she appeared in that Paul McCartney/MJ video... I thought if she couldn't sing she should have done something like Solange... spokeswoman/model for perfume, makeup, hair care.

She really covered all the bases in beauty.

then she hooked up with that fool husband of hers and went hog wild at the cosmetic surgeon.

prodigalfan said:

SoulAlive said:

I always thought Latoya was one of the prettiest girls in the spotlight during this time. Wasn't that her own hair? She did have a nose job here, but it really fit her face and she could have been a model. Also when she appeared in that Paul McCartney/MJ video... I thought if she couldn't sing she should have done something like Solange... spokeswoman/model for perfume, makeup, hair care.

She really covered all the bases in beauty.

then she hooked up with that fool husband of hers and went hog wild at the cosmetic surgeon.

LaToya was beautiful in the early 80s and I agree,she should have tried to be a spokesperson for a beauty product,or maybe try modeling.Trying to be a singer was her big mistake.

SoulAlive said:

HotGritz said:

I don't believe there is a living child of James and Janet. I do belive that she was at one time pregnant by him and that's why they married hastily and in secret. I also believe that she miscarried. That's it really. They busted up because of his drug use and probably her controlling father from hell Joseph.

I agree.I believe that Janet was pregnant,probably in late 1984,and that's why they rushed into marriage.Her miscarriage (or abortion) coincided with their hasty annulment.

What both of you say sounds reasonable enough to me

SoulAlive said:

prodigalfan said:

I always thought Latoya was one of the prettiest girls in the spotlight during this time. Wasn't that her own hair? She did have a nose job here, but it really fit her face and she could have been a model. Also when she appeared in that Paul McCartney/MJ video... I thought if she couldn't sing she should have done something like Solange... spokeswoman/model for perfume, makeup, hair care.

She really covered all the bases in beauty.

then she hooked up with that fool husband of hers and went hog wild at the cosmetic surgeon.

LaToya was beautiful in the early 80s and I agree,she should have tried to be a spokesperson for a beauty product,or maybe try modeling.Trying to be a singer was her big mistake.

In the early 90's I do know that she used to license her name out to random beauty products from obscure foreign countries and would film info-mercials for them. This is when the world was info-mercial crazy and they were filming them all in South Florida left and right.

Ottensen said:

SoulAlive said:

LaToya was beautiful in the early 80s and I agree,she should have tried to be a spokesperson for a beauty product,or maybe try modeling.Trying to be a singer was her big mistake.

In the early 90's I do know that she used to license her name out to random beauty products from obscure foreign countries and would film info-mercials for them. This is when the world was info-mercial crazy and they were filming them all in South Florida left and right.

I remember this. I once saw an infomercial with her featuring "pearl cream", some beauty moisturizer allegedly out of Japan.

I guess in a few years,these rumors will resurface again We'll be doing this thread again,lol

SoulAlive said:

I guess in a few years,these rumors will resurface again We'll be doing this thread again,lol

Next time it'll be a geandkid...

I don't buy the fact that Janet hasn't had a kid. I think she does have one.

She knows how to hide her secrets well and keep her personal life profile.

Who knows how many kids she got out there.

People didn't even know her and Rene were married for years.

By now, people her age are mothers and have families of their own, and I find it hard to believe that Janet hasn't had a kid by this age and a person to share moments with in her life.

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^ You came out of lurk mode to say that? She's Michael Jackson's sister. HELLO! Sure Janet is private but she ain't that private!

Timmy84 said:

^ You came out of lurk mode to say that? She's Michael Jackson's sister. HELLO! Sure Janet is private but she ain't that private!

I've been reading through the forum, lol.

But I had to comment on this cause I read about this when I was at the store when this news came out.

suga10 said:

I don't buy the fact that Janet hasn't had a kid. I think she does have one.

She knows how to hide her secrets well and keep her personal life profile.

Who knows how many kids she got out there.

People didn't even know her and Rene were married for years.

By now, people her age are mothers and have families of their own, and I find it hard to believe that Janet hasn't had a kid by this age and a person to share moments with in her life.

I don't think it would be easy for a female celebrity to repeatedly "hide" her pregnancies from the world

but the reason why so many people believe this story is because,as you pointed out,Janet wasn't very forthcoming about her marriage to Rene.The attitude becomes if she lied about that,what else is she lying about?.

SoulAlive said:

suga10 said:

I don't buy the fact that Janet hasn't had a kid. I think she does have one.

She knows how to hide her secrets well and keep her personal life profile.

Who knows how many kids she got out there.

People didn't even know her and Rene were married for years.

By now, people her age are mothers and have families of their own, and I find it hard to believe that Janet hasn't had a kid by this age and a person to share moments with in her life.

I don't think it would be easy for a female celebrity to repeatedly "hide" her pregnancies from the world

but the reason why so many people believe this story is because,as you pointed out,Janet wasn't very forthcoming about her marriage to Rene.The attitude becomes if she lied about that,what else is she lying about?.

And that's why the rumor continues. But see, that's how people draw their own conclusions. They actually wanna believe someone's lying. Just like when Akon's stories about being a leader of some kind of car theft ring turned out to be inaccurate, people were willing to figure out everything else is fake. The reason I believe Janet never hid her pregnancy is because James would be too fucked up to fuck at the time of the marriage. I mean, wasn't he high most of the time during their marriage? I'm sure Janet knew James was a basehead. I mean her sis basically said Janet drove to street corners in L.A.'s ghettos just to find him about to freebase or get the powder.

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SoulAlive said:

suga10 said:

I don't buy the fact that Janet hasn't had a kid. I think she does have one.

She knows how to hide her secrets well and keep her personal life profile.

Who knows how many kids she got out there.

People didn't even know her and Rene were married for years.

By now, people her age are mothers and have families of their own, and I find it hard to believe that Janet hasn't had a kid by this age and a person to share moments with in her life.

I don't think it would be easy for a female celebrity to repeatedly "hide" her pregnancies from the world

but the reason why so many people believe this story is because,as you pointed out,Janet wasn't very forthcoming about her marriage to Rene.The attitude becomes if she lied about that,what else is she lying about?.

but the odd thing is, it is not multiple pregnancies.... just one. by the same man during the same marriage, in the approximately same time +/- a year... and people state the same reason for believe, the same reasons... they saw picture that she looked pregnant, or it was reported in newspaper/magazine.

Same rumor, by lots and lots of people for more than 30 years now. It doesn't really change (except for Etterline.... )

And this happened without the aid of the internet/ urban legends.

It doesn't really change, and it doesn't go away.

prodigalfan said:

SoulAlive said:

I don't think it would be easy for a female celebrity to repeatedly "hide" her pregnancies from the world

but the reason why so many people believe this story is because,as you pointed out,Janet wasn't very forthcoming about her marriage to Rene.The attitude becomes if she lied about that,what else is she lying about?.

but the odd thing is, it is not multiple pregnancies.... just one. by the same man during the same marriage, in the approximately same time +/- a year... and people state the same reason for believe, the same reasons... they saw picture that she looked pregnant, or it was reported in newspaper/magazine.

Same rumor, by lots and lots of people for more than 30 years now. It doesn't really change (except for Etterline.... )

And this happened without the aid of the internet/ urban legends.

It doesn't really change, and it doesn't go away.

Either way I doubt we'll get any proof. 20 years down the line when Etterelene is buried, that won't stop a DeBarge for saying "yeah Janet's got a daughter or son" and they would be about 45 and Janet about 65 going "this is some bullshit!"

SoulAlive said:

suga10 said:

I don't buy the fact that Janet hasn't had a kid. I think she does have one.

She knows how to hide her secrets well and keep her personal life profile.

Who knows how many kids she got out there.

People didn't even know her and Rene were married for years.

By now, people her age are mothers and have families of their own, and I find it hard to believe that Janet hasn't had a kid by this age and a person to share moments with in her life.

I don't think it would be easy for a female celebrity to repeatedly "hide" her pregnancies from the world

but the reason why so many people believe this story is because,as you pointed out,Janet wasn't very forthcoming about her marriage to Rene.The attitude becomes if she lied about that,what else is she lying about?.

That's exactly what I mean.

Its one thing to go and hide a relationship with man who you're not married to, but to go hiding your marriage for years to a man is something!

Janet is a very secretive person.

She might even have had kids with hubby Rene

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Ooooh, I ain't been over here in a good minute!!!!! How is everybody doing??!!! lol

Well, has anybody seen the Dr. Drew show with the Debarges on there? I have seen it, and oh man! James' emotions are raw and heartfelt. He is barley pulling through it, ain't he? I can only imagine what his life is like without the drugs to help make it all go away.

Still no word from MD on the topic of her hurting children. Right now, she's only interested in promoting her T-shirts.

I don't know what MD's problem is, but you know what I think? I think that she wanted to be on Dr. Drew's show and they turned her down. Probably didn't want her on the show hindering her children's chances of trying to get treatment. Maybe they know her track record and decided it would be better for her to not be on the show???!!! That's my guess, because otherwise, why is she not saying anything?

El and Chico seem to be doing pretty well, even with a few cancelled concerts!

You know what I Found A Baby Picture of Myself as A Baby & compared it to Michael's Baby Picture & Pictures of Mike when he was A Young Kid & I Swear Me & Mike Look very much A like even The Mole on the Face is in the Same Area as Mikes was when he was Younger Our noses are A like .

I'm like Hell I look More like Michael then Mikes 3 Kids & Omer Bhatti , If someone Saw A Picture of me beside A Picture of Michael They would most likely think I was one Of his Kids Or A Family Member .

I Mean Michael back in the 70's & Early 80's & When he was A Young Boy , Same Nose , Same Skin Color , Same Smile everything & I'm now 29 years old & I have A Mole on My Face like Mike had as A Small Young Boy back w/the Jackson 5 & I Kinda Smile like Michael as well .

I never Notice how much I looked like Mike until I started pulling up my own Baby Pictures & I notice I look Just like Michael Back before he Started changing himself .

& I Do know my Mother Did Live in California & was A inspiring Dancer back in the 70's & 80's & she did Hang around the Jackson's & did meet Some of the Jackson Men back in the Day , & ironically I look like Michael & his Father Joe & Some of His Family .

I'm like Damn I look like Michael's Twin when he was A Young Boy & Man I'm like Hell I look more like I could be Mike's Love Child with A Black Woman then Omer Bhatti , Cause I Look almost Identically like Michael & the Older I get the more I look like Mike & Janet & I'm about the Same Color as Mike & janet .

Talking about A Love Child Hell I could pass as A Love Child Michael had in the 80's More so then Omer Bhatti cause I look Just like Mike & some of the Jackson Family .

Hell Omer Looks nothing like Mike , However If I were to Post up My own Picture & Mikes People would be like Damn that Girl looks like She could Pass as Michael's Damn child .

& I kinda have the Same interest in Things as Janet does & I've always Loved Music & I do Remember Michael saying something about His Daughter Paris In A TV Interview that He thought His Daughter would be more like his Sister Janet , & Ironically I'm kinda like Janet in away & I Look like I could be Michael's Damn child .........LOL

Not saying I'am But I do Find it strange that I Look like Michael & share the Same interest in Foods , TV shows , & Other things With Michael's Sister Janet , Yet He only Suppose to Have only 3 Kids , But I look Like the Black Female Version of Michael ........LOL .

& I was Born in 1982 & wasn't the Song Billy Jean came out in 1982 ? .....LOL HAHAHAHHHHHHH .

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