jax85 said:

Ok I can't keep my Theory closed about Omer So here I go .

this may sound Crazy but I never thought Michael Molested the 2 boys in 93 & 05 , However ever since Omer came on Board in 2009 & the Jacksons Claiming him to be Mikes Son kinda made me think of something else going on Cause Mike had a lot of young Boys at Neverland yet none of them

are still hanging around & you don't see the Jacksons going & getting those boys .

However for some reason Omer seems to be this Kid Michael found in Norway in 96" so it doesn't make sence to me of why Mike would go & find his son as well as What are the Odds of him been at A hotel were Mike was & suddenly Hes his Son & now The Jacksons are claiming him as part of the Family .

i don't want to be Vorged but why do I feel like Michael did something with this Child & to keep him from coming out about it Michael started taking care of him & his Family , now the Jacksons are Taking over keeping the ball rolling & are claiming him as Part of the Family & Hes Mikes Son even though Omer looks Half White & Iranian looks nothing like any of them & hes not on anyones Estate Or Will lets not forget the Jackson Children are Claiming Omer as Their Cousin , But Michael is Long gone Dead not here so What would be the point of The Jackson Family as A Whole to keep this Young man around & why would there be any reason to keep him around but Not any of the other Boys Mike Befriended over the Years .

For some reason I Believe Something went on & the Jacksons & Katherine are keeping this ball rolling possibly trying to keep whatever it is A secret so they claim omer .

& I'm thinking Would this be & explain why his Parents arent saying anything is cause maybe something went on & Mike had them to sign A Agreement of some sort to keep their mouths shut & he Continued taking care of Omer to keep whatever it maybe to be A Secret .

I Bet No one never thought of this before , But ever since hes been on Board I've Wondered why would The Jackson's claim him Yet hes not Really Family & it doesn't make since of if hes Mikes kid from the 80's why haven't we seen him in Family pictures back then Why wasn't he Included in the 2300 Jackson Street Video in 88" why are we Just now Finding out about him now & Why hasn't this boy been seen up until 1996 if hes Mikes Son I would think Mike would have had him around back in the 80's why suddenly Now this Guy Pops up & the Jacksons are suddenly Claiming him .

Makes No sence to me , what does make since is This Young Man could be One of the accusers that Maybe Mike got family to Sign A Agreement & He toke care of him to keep His mouth shut .

How else Would you explain why No other Boy but this Young man is been claimed Yet Parents aren't talking & the Jacksons are acting as if Hes Mikes Child .

CAN I SAY SOMETHING IS FISHY ABOUT THIS OMER KID & THE JACKSONS CLAIMING HIM SOMETHING IS UP I'M SORRY BUT SOMETHING SMELLS HIGHLY FISHY.

& I THINK MAYBE THE JACKSON'S ARE TELLING THE KIDS TO CLAIM HIM TOO TO KEEP EVERYTHING HUSH HUSHED .

& Durring the 2005 trail they claimed another boy in Europe also claimed sexual abuse on michael however the boy nor his family has never been named & his claim came after the 1993 case against michael some how The court got this Info .

I Never thought of the Boy in Europe & his Family Until Omer pops up & the Jacksons claiming & Omer came after the 1993 case in 1996 & hes Ironically from Europe "Norway" .

I'm now like hmmmmmmmm could it be omer & his Family .

So you put 2 & 2 together

[Edited 9/23/11 12:09pm]

[Edited 9/23/11 12:16pm]

Michael knew tons of kids in Europe, if there even was an accuser there to begin with....and no other kid friends were rumored to be his secret son the way Omer was first in the mid 90's in a tabloid, in an article about Omer impersonating him and the sister impersonating LMP. After they met, the family worked at Neverland, which is why he was there. Not Brett Barnes, Wade Robson,Macaluay, nor the Family Matters boy, not Frank Cascio just Omer was rumored. And those Jacksons love publicity and Omer loves attention hence rapping about "kings blood" though that could be about his heritage too, so that's a deal

jax85 said:

Ok I can't keep my Theory closed about Omer So here I go .

this may sound Crazy but I never thought Michael Molested the 2 boys in 93 & 05 , However ever since Omer came on Board in 2009 & the Jacksons Claiming him to be Mikes Son kinda made me think of something else going on Cause Mike had a lot of young Boys at Neverland yet none of them

are still hanging around & you don't see the Jacksons going & getting those boys .

However for some reason Omer seems to be this Kid Michael found in Norway in 96" so it doesn't make sence to me of why Mike would go & find his son as well as What are the Odds of him been at A hotel were Mike was & suddenly Hes his Son & now The Jacksons are claiming him as part of the Family .

i don't want to be Vorged but why do I feel like Michael did something with this Child & to keep him from coming out about it Michael started taking care of him & his Family , now the Jacksons are Taking over keeping the ball rolling & are claiming him as Part of the Family & Hes Mikes Son even though Omer looks Half White & Iranian looks nothing like any of them & hes not on anyones Estate Or Will lets not forget the Jackson Children are Claiming Omer as Their Cousin , But Michael is Long gone Dead not here so What would be the point of The Jackson Family as A Whole to keep this Young man around & why would there be any reason to keep him around but Not any of the other Boys Mike Befriended over the Years .

For some reason I Believe Something went on & the Jacksons & Katherine are keeping this ball rolling possibly trying to keep whatever it is A secret so they claim omer .

& I'm thinking Would this be & explain why his Parents arent saying anything is cause maybe something went on & Mike had them to sign A Agreement of some sort to keep their mouths shut & he Continued taking care of Omer to keep whatever it maybe to be A Secret .

I Bet No one never thought of this before , But ever since hes been on Board I've Wondered why would The Jackson's claim him Yet hes not Really Family & it doesn't make since of if hes Mikes kid from the 80's why haven't we seen him in Family pictures back then Why wasn't he Included in the 2300 Jackson Street Video in 88" why are we Just now Finding out about him now & Why hasn't this boy been seen up until 1996 if hes Mikes Son I would think Mike would have had him around back in the 80's why suddenly Now this Guy Pops up & the Jacksons are suddenly Claiming him .

Makes No sence to me , what does make since is This Young Man could be One of the accusers that Maybe Mike got family to Sign A Agreement & He toke care of him to keep His mouth shut .

How else Would you explain why No other Boy but this Young man is been claimed Yet Parents aren't talking & the Jacksons are acting as if Hes Mikes Child .

CAN I SAY SOMETHING IS FISHY ABOUT THIS OMER KID & THE JACKSONS CLAIMING HIM SOMETHING IS UP I'M SORRY BUT SOMETHING SMELLS HIGHLY FISHY.

& I THINK MAYBE THE JACKSON'S ARE TELLING THE KIDS TO CLAIM HIM TOO TO KEEP EVERYTHING HUSH HUSHED .

& Durring the 2005 trail they claimed another boy in Europe also claimed sexual abuse on michael however the boy nor his family has never been named & his claim came after the 1993 case against michael some how The court got this Info .

I Never thought of the Boy in Europe & his Family Until Omer pops up & the Jacksons claiming & Omer came after the 1993 case in 1996 & hes Ironically from Europe "Norway" .

I'm now like hmmmmmmmm could it be omer & his Family .

So you put 2 & 2 together

[Edited 9/23/11 12:09pm]

[Edited 9/23/11 12:16pm]

Well the only Jackson to claim Omer was Mj's son was Joe. No one else has ever said that from my knowledge and according to Roger Friedman Omar's parents begin working for Mj and he used to take them on the rode with him alot. Omer said himself Mj wasn't his dad by blood but raised him most of his life. Omer's parents are alive and well

Marlena58 said:

jax85 said:

Ok I can't keep my Theory closed about Omer So here I go .

this may sound Crazy but I never thought Michael Molested the 2 boys in 93 & 05 , However ever since Omer came on Board in 2009 & the Jacksons Claiming him to be Mikes Son kinda made me think of something else going on Cause Mike had a lot of young Boys at Neverland yet none of them

are still hanging around & you don't see the Jacksons going & getting those boys .

However for some reason Omer seems to be this Kid Michael found in Norway in 96" so it doesn't make sence to me of why Mike would go & find his son as well as What are the Odds of him been at A hotel were Mike was & suddenly Hes his Son & now The Jacksons are claiming him as part of the Family .

i don't want to be Vorged but why do I feel like Michael did something with this Child & to keep him from coming out about it Michael started taking care of him & his Family , now the Jacksons are Taking over keeping the ball rolling & are claiming him as Part of the Family & Hes Mikes Son even though Omer looks Half White & Iranian looks nothing like any of them & hes not on anyones Estate Or Will lets not forget the Jackson Children are Claiming Omer as Their Cousin , But Michael is Long gone Dead not here so What would be the point of The Jackson Family as A Whole to keep this Young man around & why would there be any reason to keep him around but Not any of the other Boys Mike Befriended over the Years .

For some reason I Believe Something went on & the Jacksons & Katherine are keeping this ball rolling possibly trying to keep whatever it is A secret so they claim omer .

& I'm thinking Would this be & explain why his Parents arent saying anything is cause maybe something went on & Mike had them to sign A Agreement of some sort to keep their mouths shut & he Continued taking care of Omer to keep whatever it maybe to be A Secret .

I Bet No one never thought of this before , But ever since hes been on Board I've Wondered why would The Jackson's claim him Yet hes not Really Family & it doesn't make since of if hes Mikes kid from the 80's why haven't we seen him in Family pictures back then Why wasn't he Included in the 2300 Jackson Street Video in 88" why are we Just now Finding out about him now & Why hasn't this boy been seen up until 1996 if hes Mikes Son I would think Mike would have had him around back in the 80's why suddenly Now this Guy Pops up & the Jacksons are suddenly Claiming him .

Makes No sence to me , what does make since is This Young Man could be One of the accusers that Maybe Mike got family to Sign A Agreement & He toke care of him to keep His mouth shut .

How else Would you explain why No other Boy but this Young man is been claimed Yet Parents aren't talking & the Jacksons are acting as if Hes Mikes Child .

CAN I SAY SOMETHING IS FISHY ABOUT THIS OMER KID & THE JACKSONS CLAIMING HIM SOMETHING IS UP I'M SORRY BUT SOMETHING SMELLS HIGHLY FISHY.

& I THINK MAYBE THE JACKSON'S ARE TELLING THE KIDS TO CLAIM HIM TOO TO KEEP EVERYTHING HUSH HUSHED .

& Durring the 2005 trail they claimed another boy in Europe also claimed sexual abuse on michael however the boy nor his family has never been named & his claim came after the 1993 case against michael some how The court got this Info .

I Never thought of the Boy in Europe & his Family Until Omer pops up & the Jacksons claiming & Omer came after the 1993 case in 1996 & hes Ironically from Europe "Norway" .

I'm now like hmmmmmmmm could it be omer & his Family .

So you put 2 & 2 together

[Edited 9/23/11 12:09pm]

[Edited 9/23/11 12:16pm]

Well the only Jackson to claim Omer was Mj's son was Joe. No one else has ever said that from my knowledge and according to Roger Friedman Omar's parents begin working for Mj and he used to take them on the rode with him alot. Omer said himself Mj wasn't his dad by blood but raised him most of his life. Omer's parents are alive and well

Like a surrogate almost then

I have pondered some theories about the reason Omer is allowed to continue the charade about being MJ song and some are even suspicious to the reason that Mrs. Jackson is giving Omer money.... like it is hush money.

I can't think of a reason the Jacksons would continue to pay Omer hush money. I mean if he had solid evidence that MJ acted improperly with him... since MJ is deceased now... what is the point?

His estate could not be sued or held liable after he has been dead right? I mean Omer could not file a civil suit against MJ estate after MJ is dead right? So why would hush money even be needed?

Just wondering if MJ estate could be sued for things MJ did while alive. I can't imagine this could happen.

prodigalfan said:

I have pondered some theories about the reason Omer is allowed to continue the charade about being MJ song and some are even suspicious to the reason that Mrs. Jackson is giving Omer money.... like it is hush money.

I can't think of a reason the Jacksons would continue to pay Omer hush money. I mean if he had solid evidence that MJ acted improperly with him... since MJ is deceased now... what is the point?

His estate could not be sued or held liable after he has been dead right? I mean Omer could not file a civil suit against MJ estate after MJ is dead right? So why would hush money even be needed?

Just wondering if MJ estate could be sued for things MJ did while alive. I can't imagine this could happen.

You guys Maybe right I personally have thought it could be possible , But My Thoery still doesn't make since of Why would & are the Jacksons Claiming this Grown 25 year old Guy who's suppose to Just be MJ's Friend , I mean Think about it Mike had A lot of Kidswho was his Friend why is Omer any Different then Any other Child Mike has befriended .

I just think Its About Money & attention on Omer & the Obhatti's , Attention & Publicity on ( some of the Jacksons Side )

prodigalfan said:

I have pondered some theories about the reason Omer is allowed to continue the charade about being MJ song and some are even suspicious to the reason that Mrs. Jackson is giving Omer money.... like it is hush money.

I can't think of a reason the Jacksons would continue to pay Omer hush money. I mean if he had solid evidence that MJ acted improperly with him... since MJ is deceased now... what is the point?

His estate could not be sued or held liable after he has been dead right? I mean Omer could not file a civil suit against MJ estate after MJ is dead right? So why would hush money even be needed?

Just wondering if MJ estate could be sued for things MJ did while alive. I can't imagine this could happen.

This Charade started in 2009 & Omer seems to Have ran with it & some of the Jackson's & their Kids have Claimed Omer as Part of The Family ( Genevieve Jackson ) Randy's Daughter have Claimed Omer as her Cousin in Many Interviews over in Europe .

I personally think this Charade needs to Stop I mean How long can Omer & Joe & Genevieve can all Hold up to Omer been Part of their Family & why is he the only Kid mike catered to & the Jacksons seem to Claim .

Not Understanding it at all .

jax85 said:

prodigalfan said:

I have pondered some theories about the reason Omer is allowed to continue the charade about being MJ song and some are even suspicious to the reason that Mrs. Jackson is giving Omer money.... like it is hush money.

I can't think of a reason the Jacksons would continue to pay Omer hush money. I mean if he had solid evidence that MJ acted improperly with him... since MJ is deceased now... what is the point?

His estate could not be sued or held liable after he has been dead right? I mean Omer could not file a civil suit against MJ estate after MJ is dead right? So why would hush money even be needed?

Just wondering if MJ estate could be sued for things MJ did while alive. I can't imagine this could happen.

You guys Maybe right I personally have thought it could be possible , But My Thoery still doesn't make since of Why would & are the Jacksons Claiming this Grown 25 year old Guy who's suppose to Just be MJ's Friend , I mean Think about it Mike had A lot of Kidswho was his Friend why is Omer any Different then Any other Child Mike has befriended .

I just think Its About Money & attention on Omer & the Obhatti's , Attention & Publicity on ( some of the Jacksons Side )

Is Omer on Joe's record label? Maybe Joe told him to put on the act and he'll promote his stuff....

jax85 said:

prodigalfan said:

I have pondered some theories about the reason Omer is allowed to continue the charade about being MJ song and some are even suspicious to the reason that Mrs. Jackson is giving Omer money.... like it is hush money.

I can't think of a reason the Jacksons would continue to pay Omer hush money. I mean if he had solid evidence that MJ acted improperly with him... since MJ is deceased now... what is the point?

His estate could not be sued or held liable after he has been dead right? I mean Omer could not file a civil suit against MJ estate after MJ is dead right? So why would hush money even be needed?

Just wondering if MJ estate could be sued for things MJ did while alive. I can't imagine this could happen.

You guys Maybe right I personally have thought it could be possible , But My Thoery still doesn't make since of Why would & are the Jacksons Claiming this Grown 25 year old Guy who's suppose to Just be MJ's Friend , I mean Think about it Mike had A lot of Kidswho was his Friend why is Omer any Different then Any other Child Mike has befriended .

I just think Its About Money & attention on Omer & the Obhatti's , Attention & Publicity on ( some of the Jacksons Side )

Well I think it's also about love as well as attention. Mj raised him since he was a kid. He's even in their family pictures and was front row with the family at Mj's service. I think in their eyes he IS family to them. Not to mention him and his sister lived at Neverland for years.

Timmy84 said:

lowkey said:

what i wanna know is why nobody has ever heard of mikki howards connection to the jacksons. i never even knew they were friends, now i find out that joe managed her around 79/80, her son basically grew up around the family encino home, he said they fed him and took care of him. then he looks,speaks, and has mannerisms so much like mj its scary.let me find out mikki is the real billie jean

I doubt that was the case. After 1980, Miki let her boyfriend - at the time - Auggie Johnson, who is the biological father of Miki's two eldest (including Brandon, mind you Brandon was born in 1980) - manage her. I think Miki might've been mentored briefly by Joe Jackson but decided it was best NOT to do business since Joe didn't really do well with anyone outside his brood. So she moved on even though it's possible she kept in touch with the family. I doubt she was THAT close that a possible link with Brandon and a Jackson relative - either Joe or Michael or any other Jackson - could be made possible. It just wasn't in my eyes.

brandon's name is howard but her other son's name is johnson, brandon dont mention auggie johnson as his father in his bio. joe was managing mikki in 79, auggie johnson supposedly played on off the wall, so there was a connection there. brandon himself says he 'grew up' around the jackson family home, he remembers playing the piano as a small child at their home, he remembers all the advice he got from the family members. you say you doubt they were THAT close, yet her small child was left there with these people ? brandon said the first people he let listen to his music was jermaine and i think marlon,why? he said he was at the house when they found out mj died,he had spent the nite,why? i dont know the back story behind this dude and his relationship with the jacksons but he damn sure can pass for one of them.

lowkey said:

Timmy84 said:

I doubt that was the case. After 1980, Miki let her boyfriend - at the time - Auggie Johnson, who is the biological father of Miki's two eldest (including Brandon, mind you Brandon was born in 1980) - manage her. I think Miki might've been mentored briefly by Joe Jackson but decided it was best NOT to do business since Joe didn't really do well with anyone outside his brood. So she moved on even though it's possible she kept in touch with the family. I doubt she was THAT close that a possible link with Brandon and a Jackson relative - either Joe or Michael or any other Jackson - could be made possible. It just wasn't in my eyes.

brandon's name is howard but her other son's name is johnson, brandon dont mention auggie johnson as his father in his bio. joe was managing mikki in 79, auggie johnson supposedly played on off the wall, so there was a connection there. brandon himself says he 'grew up' around the jackson family home, he remembers playing the piano as a small child at their home, he remembers all the advice he got from the family members. you say you doubt they were THAT close, yet her small child was left there with these people ? brandon said the first people he let listen to his music was jermaine and i think marlon,why? he said he was at the house when they found out mj died,he had spent the nite,why? i dont know the back story behind this dude and his relationship with the jacksons but he damn sure can pass for one of them.

It Is True that Brandon himself Did say Hes Close to the Jacksons , & Why aren't they Not Claiming Brandon as Family But Claiming Some White/Iranian Kid Mike found in Norway & is Suppose to be Just Friends with MJ but Yet Katherine & The Rest of the Jacksons toke in Mikki & Her 3 Children Yet aren't claiming any of them .

Omer is on Universal music Label Hes not signed to Joe's label Yet I'm still Not Understand why they're still taking care of & claiming this Dude .

& Its said that Brandon was at the Jackson Family Mansion in Encino,CA when Mike Died , Yet Their not Claiming him But Want to Claim some Boy from Norway Kinda makes you think why Only Omer & not Brandon since Brandon would be the First child to be around the Jackson Family since his Mother was Managed by Joe that you would think they would Claim as Family .

Makes you wonder whats so special about Omer that they would Claim him as Family But not any other Kid Mike as friended over the Years ,

[Edited 9/24/11 23:09pm]

Back to Etterlene DeBarge :

I would like to know why She would Need A DNA test on A Jackson/DeBarge child since Janet & James were Married & James was attached at Janets Hip & lived with the Jackson Family while Married to Janet & Both were in Love & I don't think Janet would cheat on James given that they both Loved & was Devoted to each other .

Like why Would Etterlene need DNA Proof that If there Is A Baby / Child between the 2 of them that Its not James's child like Why? would there need to be A DNA Test especially If Janet & the kid both state its James Baby .

Could someone please tell me why Etterlene is so Demanding of A DNA Test .

I Wonder If she did All her Grandkids the same way even with those Married to her Sons , & I'm not Understanding her Wanting DNA Testing on A Jackson Kid when Momma Janet was in Love & devoted & commited to James .

[Edited 9/24/11 23:20pm]

That's the problem with the American public these days--it is just too fond of unsubstantiated gossip!

purplethunder3121 said:

That's the problem with the American public these days--it is just too fond of unsubstantiated gossip!

Well If its Just Gossip Mrs.DeBarge wouldn't be on her Facebook Posting Pictures of Omer Bhatti & Her Grand kids talking about "COULD THEY BE COUSINS" Adding more Oil to the Fire & she has yet to Deny that she went to NE Magazine & Talked , So I take it as Its not Gossip Its BS coming out of A old Womans Mouth who Allowed her Husband to Abuse her & her children & who's the Roof Cause of her Children been on Drugs I No longer like Mrs.DeBarge cause shes A hypercrite & she try to hide behind the Lord & use the Lord for her Family's Issues & seems to be in Denial of Certain things that Happened to her own Children & Her allowing it & her staying with Her Bastard of A Husband .

I See her True Colors & its not Good , Its All about Attention , Money & getting Her Name or the Debarge Name out in the Media & it Skickens me That If theres A Child With Janet , & Janet & James do know & are keeping it A Secret to Protect their Child then this Suppose Grand Mother Is Using her Grand Child for A "CASH COW " & I Could see her Using the Kid every chance she would get If theres any truth to this rumor & maybe this is why Janet is keeping the Child a secret She probably knows how Mrs.DeBarge & some of the Family are & Now I see Why Janet keeps her Shit Under lock down .

& I'm Just Been Honest & Its How I see Her .

[Edited 9/26/11 18:49pm]

jax85 said:

Back to Etterlene DeBarge :

I would like to know why She would Need A DNA test on A Jackson/DeBarge child since Janet & James were Married & James was attached at Janets Hip & lived with the Jackson Family while Married to Janet & Both were in Love & I don't think Janet would cheat on James given that they both Loved & was Devoted to each other .

Like why Would Etterlene need DNA Proof that If there Is A Baby / Child between the 2 of them that Its not James's child like Why? would there need to be A DNA Test especially If Janet & the kid both state its James Baby .

Could someone please tell me why Etterlene is so Demanding of A DNA Test .

I Wonder If she did All her Grandkids the same way even with those Married to her Sons , & I'm not Understanding her Wanting DNA Testing on A Jackson Kid when Momma Janet was in Love & devoted & commited to James .

[Edited 9/24/11 23:20pm]

she wants a dna test to prove that omer is james child, she is desperate for some kinda connection to the jackson family

lowkey said:

Timmy84 said:

I doubt that was the case. After 1980, Miki let her boyfriend - at the time - Auggie Johnson, who is the biological father of Miki's two eldest (including Brandon, mind you Brandon was born in 1980) - manage her. I think Miki might've been mentored briefly by Joe Jackson but decided it was best NOT to do business since Joe didn't really do well with anyone outside his brood. So she moved on even though it's possible she kept in touch with the family. I doubt she was THAT close that a possible link with Brandon and a Jackson relative - either Joe or Michael or any other Jackson - could be made possible. It just wasn't in my eyes.

brandon's name is howard but her other son's name is johnson, brandon dont mention auggie johnson as his father in his bio. joe was managing mikki in 79, auggie johnson supposedly played on off the wall, so there was a connection there. brandon himself says he 'grew up' around the jackson family home, he remembers playing the piano as a small child at their home, he remembers all the advice he got from the family members. you say you doubt they were THAT close, yet her small child was left there with these people ? brandon said the first people he let listen to his music was jermaine and i think marlon,why? he said he was at the house when they found out mj died,he had spent the nite,why? i dont know the back story behind this dude and his relationship with the jacksons but he damn sure can pass for one of them.

Well ask Miki then who is Brandon's father because Unsung sure had it as Auggie Johnson. Guess they didn't wanna bring up the Joe Jackson management thing.

purplethunder3121 said:

That's the problem with the American public these days--it is just too fond of unsubstantiated gossip!

the best kind!

prodigalfan said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That's the problem with the American public these days--it is just too fond of unsubstantiated gossip!

the best kind!

Really?

musicjunky318 said:

Can we please close this thread? This Indian boy has nothing to do with James, has nothing to do with Janet, he is not black, he does not look like Michael, Michael didn't even look like himself the last 20ish years of his life -cosmetic surgery is not genetic he wouldn't come out of the womb with a Thriller/Bad era nose, if Omar is mid-late 20s in age that would mean Janet gave birth to him around Dream Street -where are all the pics of her pregnant? Are you telling me she kept it a secret during that time and all throughout Control? How the fuck did he end up in Tunishia with Uncle Mike in '96? Did James & Janet drop him off there so nobody would know but forgot to inform Michael?

OHHH THE HORRORRR.

lmao this thread is a mess.

Let me just say this about Mrs. Debarge.

I am not in any way defending her actions or lack of actions when she was married to her kids father.

But I did see the Unsung episode where she tried to explain why she stayed.

She had left this man several times for his abuse of her. But as she said in the show.... she did not have any skills... and she had all those "damn kids". Now she didn't say "damn kids" but it was implied that this is what her family said and felt "when here comes Etterline with all those damn kids again"

It is not like she was going to find a new man to take care of all those kids. She did not have skills to go out and get a job. Welfare was not what it is today back in the 50's and 60's.

She had a white man's kids during a time that there was a lot racial tension. It was probably hard for her to fit in with a bunch of white looking kids.

So as she said in the interview... what was she to do? Go to a homeless shelter. People really don't want to do that.

I don't believe and have never heard that she was fully aware of the abuse of her daughter. She may have had a brief suscipicion that was explained away by her husband and even the abused. And really back in those days... people didn't really talk about incest... this was before Oprah, and Phil Donahue. People didn't talk about that. You only really thought this could happen if the man was not the biological father. People didn't really think that a father could or would want to do something like that with his own children.

It sounds like this woman was stuck in a rock and a hard place. He probably promised the abuse would never happen again... by this time who ever was hosting this bunch was probably hinting that the kids where tearing up the house, or eating them out of house and home. Etterline probably went back hoping this time it would be different.

Also, as far as abuse of the children... different people have different perceptions. He may have been quick to whoop, and maybe the infraction was minor... and therefore it was abuse to the children... rightfully so... but to the adults during that time... maybe it was looked at like the father was really strict. You know, the Jackson's father and even Prince's father was accused of being abusive. MJ says Joe was definitely abusive, and Prince said that his father was... intense or something like that. Yet the mothers stayed as well. (except Prince's mother... but then she did only have 2 kids... Etterline and Katherine had a mess of kids... and they stayed.

Back in the 70s when I was coming up... abuse meant that your dad or mom took their fist and tried to put it through your face... or they burned you with an iron or cigarettes.. or they gave you a black eye or bloody nose.

To get a whooping that left welts and yes even an occasional bruise was not thought of as abuse... it was thought of as discipline. Now today, any form of corpal punishment is viewed as abuse. and rightfully so.

I am just trying to give a different POV to ETterline's story.

And let's not forget that birth control was not reliable. I have as a kid, seen several women who had no good men... who were either abusive or stone cold cheaters... the man would come back home, or the woman would come back home... they would make up... the woman would get pregnant again.. and then the couple would break up.

Everytime the man came back, the woman would get pregnant and have a new baby. It was an unending cycle.

I think this was the case with Etterline. She probably thought at the time she was doing the right thing for her children.... she was keeping the family together and keeping them out of a homeless shelter... they were living in a house, they had clothes to wear, food to eat, was going to church and school.... if only the dad can keep his job and not lose his temper.... so I can imagine her praying to God to help her, and telling the kids to be good so that dad can do what he needs to to take care of them.

She probably didn't fully realize that by enduring the abuse for herself she was also condemning her children to endure it as well.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

the best kind!

Really?

[Edited 9/26/11 20:22pm]

prodigalfan said:

Let me just say this about Mrs. Debarge.

I am not in any way defending her actions or lack of actions when she was married to her kids father.

But I did see the Unsung episode where she tried to explain why she stayed.

She had left this man several times for his abuse of her. But as she said in the show.... she did not have any skills... and she had all those "damn kids". Now she didn't say "damn kids" but it was implied that this is what her family said and felt "when here comes Etterline with all those damn kids again"

It is not like she was going to find a new man to take care of all those kids. She did not have skills to go out and get a job. Welfare was not what it is today back in the 50's and 60's.

She had a white man's kids during a time that there was a lot racial tension. It was probably hard for her to fit in with a bunch of white looking kids.

So as she said in the interview... what was she to do? Go to a homeless shelter. People really don't want to do that.

I don't believe and have never heard that she was fully aware of the abuse of her daughter. She may have had a brief suscipicion that was explained away by her husband and even the abused. And really back in those days... people didn't really talk about incest... this was before Oprah, and Phil Donahue. People didn't talk about that. You only really thought this could happen if the man was not the biological father. People didn't really think that a father could or would want to do something like that with his own children.

It sounds like this woman was stuck in a rock and a hard place. He probably promised the abuse would never happen again... by this time who ever was hosting this bunch was probably hinting that the kids where tearing up the house, or eating them out of house and home. Etterline probably went back hoping this time it would be different.

Also, as far as abuse of the children... different people have different perceptions. He may have been quick to whoop, and maybe the infraction was minor... and therefore it was abuse to the children... rightfully so... but to the adults during that time... maybe it was looked at like the father was really strict. You know, the Jackson's father and even Prince's father was accused of being abusive. MJ says Joe was definitely abusive, and Prince said that his father was... intense or something like that. Yet the mothers stayed as well. (except Prince's mother... but then she did only have 2 kids... Etterline and Katherine had a mess of kids... and they stayed.

Back in the 70s when I was coming up... abuse meant that your dad or mom took their fist and tried to put it through your face... or they burned you with an iron or cigarettes.. or they gave you a black eye or bloody nose.

To get a whooping that left welts and yes even an occasional bruise was not thought of as abuse... it was thought of as discipline. Now today, any form of corpal punishment is viewed as abuse. and rightfully so.

I am just trying to give a different POV to ETterline's story.

And let's not forget that birth control was not reliable. I have as a kid, seen several women who had no good men... who were either abusive or stone cold cheaters... the man would come back home, or the woman would come back home... they would make up... the woman would get pregnant again.. and then the couple would break up.

Everytime the man came back, the woman would get pregnant and have a new baby. It was an unending cycle.

I think this was the case with Etterline. She probably thought at the time she was doing the right thing for her children.... she was keeping the family together and keeping them out of a homeless shelter... they were living in a house, they had clothes to wear, food to eat, was going to church and school.... if only the dad can keep his job and not lose his temper.... so I can imagine her praying to God to help her, and telling the kids to be good so that dad can do what he needs to to take care of them.

She probably didn't fully realize that by enduring the abuse for herself she was also condemning her children to endure it as well.

While that may be all true and her story's downright sad, it doesn't excuse her trying to pin the tail on the Jackson in hopes she has a grandson with Michael and Janet's genepool...

prodigalfan said:

Let me just say this about Mrs. Debarge.

I am not in any way defending her actions or lack of actions when she was married to her kids father.

But I did see the Unsung episode where she tried to explain why she stayed.

She had left this man several times for his abuse of her. But as she said in the show.... she did not have any skills... and she had all those "damn kids". Now she didn't say "damn kids" but it was implied that this is what her family said and felt "when here comes Etterline with all those damn kids again"

It is not like she was going to find a new man to take care of all those kids. She did not have skills to go out and get a job. Welfare was not what it is today back in the 50's and 60's.

She had a white man's kids during a time that there was a lot racial tension. It was probably hard for her to fit in with a bunch of white looking kids.

So as she said in the interview... what was she to do? Go to a homeless shelter. People really don't want to do that.

I don't believe and have never heard that she was fully aware of the abuse of her daughter. She may have had a brief suscipicion that was explained away by her husband and even the abused. And really back in those days... people didn't really talk about incest... this was before Oprah, and Phil Donahue. People didn't talk about that. You only really thought this could happen if the man was not the biological father. People didn't really think that a father could or would want to do something like that with his own children.

It sounds like this woman was stuck in a rock and a hard place. He probably promised the abuse would never happen again... by this time who ever was hosting this bunch was probably hinting that the kids where tearing up the house, or eating them out of house and home. Etterline probably went back hoping this time it would be different.

Also, as far as abuse of the children... different people have different perceptions. He may have been quick to whoop, and maybe the infraction was minor... and therefore it was abuse to the children... rightfully so... but to the adults during that time... maybe it was looked at like the father was really strict. You know, the Jackson's father and even Prince's father was accused of being abusive. MJ says Joe was definitely abusive, and Prince said that his father was... intense or something like that. Yet the mothers stayed as well. (except Prince's mother... but then she did only have 2 kids... Etterline and Katherine had a mess of kids... and they stayed.

Back in the 70s when I was coming up... abuse meant that your dad or mom took their fist and tried to put it through your face... or they burned you with an iron or cigarettes.. or they gave you a black eye or bloody nose.

To get a whooping that left welts and yes even an occasional bruise was not thought of as abuse... it was thought of as discipline. Now today, any form of corpal punishment is viewed as abuse. and rightfully so.

I am just trying to give a different POV to ETterline's story.

And let's not forget that birth control was not reliable. I have as a kid, seen several women who had no good men... who were either abusive or stone cold cheaters... the man would come back home, or the woman would come back home... they would make up... the woman would get pregnant again.. and then the couple would break up.

Everytime the man came back, the woman would get pregnant and have a new baby. It was an unending cycle.

I think this was the case with Etterline. She probably thought at the time she was doing the right thing for her children.... she was keeping the family together and keeping them out of a homeless shelter... they were living in a house, they had clothes to wear, food to eat, was going to church and school.... if only the dad can keep his job and not lose his temper.... so I can imagine her praying to God to help her, and telling the kids to be good so that dad can do what he needs to to take care of them.

She probably didn't fully realize that by enduring the abuse for herself she was also condemning her children to endure it as well.

Agreed. Also, I don't think Etterlene Debarge is desperate to be related to the Jackson's. That moment has alredy passed. I don't know what I think her motivation could be, accept that she knows or believes that Janet was pregnant. Maybe she's been led to believe that Janet had the baby instead of miscarriage or abortion. For whatever reasons, she's decided to beome very vocal about it, and we, the public, may never know.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Let me just say this about Mrs. Debarge.

I am not in any way defending her actions or lack of actions when she was married to her kids father.

But I did see the Unsung episode where she tried to explain why she stayed.

She had left this man several times for his abuse of her. But as she said in the show.... she did not have any skills... and she had all those "damn kids". Now she didn't say "damn kids" but it was implied that this is what her family said and felt "when here comes Etterline with all those damn kids again"

It is not like she was going to find a new man to take care of all those kids. She did not have skills to go out and get a job. Welfare was not what it is today back in the 50's and 60's.

She had a white man's kids during a time that there was a lot racial tension. It was probably hard for her to fit in with a bunch of white looking kids.

So as she said in the interview... what was she to do? Go to a homeless shelter. People really don't want to do that.

I don't believe and have never heard that she was fully aware of the abuse of her daughter. She may have had a brief suscipicion that was explained away by her husband and even the abused. And really back in those days... people didn't really talk about incest... this was before Oprah, and Phil Donahue. People didn't talk about that. You only really thought this could happen if the man was not the biological father. People didn't really think that a father could or would want to do something like that with his own children.

It sounds like this woman was stuck in a rock and a hard place. He probably promised the abuse would never happen again... by this time who ever was hosting this bunch was probably hinting that the kids where tearing up the house, or eating them out of house and home. Etterline probably went back hoping this time it would be different.

Also, as far as abuse of the children... different people have different perceptions. He may have been quick to whoop, and maybe the infraction was minor... and therefore it was abuse to the children... rightfully so... but to the adults during that time... maybe it was looked at like the father was really strict. You know, the Jackson's father and even Prince's father was accused of being abusive. MJ says Joe was definitely abusive, and Prince said that his father was... intense or something like that. Yet the mothers stayed as well. (except Prince's mother... but then she did only have 2 kids... Etterline and Katherine had a mess of kids... and they stayed.

Back in the 70s when I was coming up... abuse meant that your dad or mom took their fist and tried to put it through your face... or they burned you with an iron or cigarettes.. or they gave you a black eye or bloody nose.

To get a whooping that left welts and yes even an occasional bruise was not thought of as abuse... it was thought of as discipline. Now today, any form of corpal punishment is viewed as abuse. and rightfully so.

I am just trying to give a different POV to ETterline's story.

And let's not forget that birth control was not reliable. I have as a kid, seen several women who had no good men... who were either abusive or stone cold cheaters... the man would come back home, or the woman would come back home... they would make up... the woman would get pregnant again.. and then the couple would break up.

Everytime the man came back, the woman would get pregnant and have a new baby. It was an unending cycle.

I think this was the case with Etterline. She probably thought at the time she was doing the right thing for her children.... she was keeping the family together and keeping them out of a homeless shelter... they were living in a house, they had clothes to wear, food to eat, was going to church and school.... if only the dad can keep his job and not lose his temper.... so I can imagine her praying to God to help her, and telling the kids to be good so that dad can do what he needs to to take care of them.

She probably didn't fully realize that by enduring the abuse for herself she was also condemning her children to endure it as well.

While that may be all true and her story's downright sad, it doesn't excuse her trying to pin the tail on the Jackson in hopes she has a grandson with Michael and Janet's genepool...

That goes without saying. Like it was said earlier... she should focus her attentions on the grandkids she knows about.

I guess, after watching that unsung... I am just grateful as a Black woman that I had the opportunity to education so that I can earn a living that allows me to take care of my own... and the freedom to leave an abusive situation without going to a shelter... that I have access to reliable birth control and the right to have control of my own body and my own reproduction...

I am just grateful for those things and felt compassion for not only those kids, but also the mother. She was a victim as well.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

While that may be all true and her story's downright sad, it doesn't excuse her trying to pin the tail on the Jackson in hopes she has a grandson with Michael and Janet's genepool...

That goes without saying. Like it was said earlier... she should focus her attentions on the grandkids she knows about.

I guess, after watching that unsung... I am just grateful as a Black woman that I had the opportunity to education so that I can earn a living that allows me to take care of my own... and the freedom to leave an abusive situation without going to a shelter... that I have access to reliable birth control and the right to have control of my own body and my own reproduction...

I am just grateful for those things and felt compassion for not only those kids, but also the mother. She was a victim as well.

She did choose to run away from home at the age of 15 with a grown ass Army veteran and marry him. But I'll never get that bit. Was she so in love with him that she was willing to take a chance on him if she didn't know how to be a wife or mother as she said.

^Chile did you say 15???

I got a 19 year old niece that we are trying DESPERATELY to wake the eff up.

I guess you have NO idea how stupid in love teens can be. Especially love sick teen girls. I didn't realize that there was that much age difference between the parents. That really did put her at a disadvantage.

Then when the kids started coming... she was doomed.

prodigalfan said:

^Chile did you say 15???

I got a 19 year old niece that we are trying DESPERATELY to wake the eff up.

I guess you have NO idea how stupid in love teens can be. Especially love sick teen girls. I didn't realize that there was that much age difference between the parents. That really did put her at a disadvantage.

Then when the kids started coming... she was doomed.

Yeah I think that's when they met. They got married before Etterlene was 17.

Robert wasn't that old, about 18, 19, but still...

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