Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

B Howard... if anyone is MJ's secret son... I would believe B. Howard way more than Omer who I agree looks Arab and white.

Howard sound so much like a young MJ and has some of his mannerisms... I swear I saw this interview on youtube... and the hair stood up on my arms. It was like hearing/seeing a ghost. He didn't necessarily look like MJ but when he talked.. and his tone, tempo of speech etc... it was like looking at a ghost.

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

running off to Google.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

He wrote that because that was Diana's obsession then: she wanted a man with muscles. So Michael basically wrote what she was thinking of at the time. And she didn't give a damn if the man was young or old. I think he figured she was talking about HIM (Michael) because maybe he was tripping with her showing off his "muscles". I know you saw the '82 pics of them embracing each other and guess where Diana's hands are at? HIS MUSCLES!

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{insert emoticon rolling on the floor laughing hysterically in tears}

MJ, muscles???!!!

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

{insert emoticon rolling on the floor laughing hysterically in tears}

MJ, muscles???!!!

okay I guess because he was bigger than pigeon bones that equates muscles. BTW, he looked his best in this time period. I wish he never went back to those cosemetic doctors again.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

{insert emoticon rolling on the floor laughing hysterically in tears}

MJ, muscles???!!!

This is one of my favorite pictures ever.

prodigalfan said:

WaterInYourBath said:

His eyes are very similar to Michael's, as well as the bone structure of his face. Are they identical though? Of course not.

yeah, well where is the Jackson nose? I mean the REAL Jackson nose? And as far as the bone structure... you know it is reported that MJ had jaw and/or chin implants... so again I don't see it.

Yeah, remember: Omer is not Michael's son either, and I was not implying otherwise. Just stating their very visible facial likeness, "Jackson nose" or not.

Timmy84 said:

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

Really? To me, Zonday always looked like he could be MJ and Janet's long lost brother. I was flabbergasted when I first saw him. Almost everything about his mug is "Jackson," in my opinion, lol. Look at his face:

[img:$uid]http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/54362/tay-zonday-profile.jpg[/img:$uid]

Howard, on the other hand, looks more like Maxwell to me than any Jackson. His phony speaking voice is them all the way though. ....

^Tay's eyes are definitely Jackson-esque Even tho he's not related to them, he does have the Jackson look facial wise.

WAIT....what is this about Micki Howard's son?

I'm confused.....

Lets Just say this If Omer is A Jackson , Then I must Be Janet's Secret Daughter w/James DeBarge too Since I look Very much like Janet & the Jacksons hell I could pass as Janet's Daughter & thats why Etterlene E-Mailed on Facebook & she asked me If I was Related to The Jackson Family & I was like No not that I know of .....lol But I kept the E-mail short & sweet & Her just coming out E-mailing me asking me that Shocked me cause I thought they were Secret about it & I found it Odd that right that This month she goes to NE & claims Omer Bhatti is the Kid ........lol Have no clue to were shes getting A white/Abrab Kid is Janets .....lol

My Friend was like I Have to admit you look more like you could be Janet's then Omer , Omer looks Abrab/& White I'm not sure why The Jackson's are claiming could be cause he doesn't look black .

i'm like I don't really know why The Jackson's continue to claim Omer But everyone isn't blind or stupid we can see hes not A Jackson Hes Half white & Iranian & they also need to Stop claiming him

I'm not sure why omer isn't like the Other boys Mike had around him & why The Jackson's are holding on to him & claiming him when he doesn't look black & All Irans have big brown eyes even his Father Ritz Bhatti has Big Brown eyes .

To me Omer is Just using the Jacksons & Michael & it all needs to stop If hes Michael's then good But why would MJ leave Him Off both estate & will & why are we just now hearing about him & why is it Michael finds this kid in 1996 & now suddenly hes Michael's kid & Part of the Jackson Family .

Why Didn't Mike say anything back in 85" when this Kid was Born .

all of this Don't add up , & don't make sence to me since Mike was so Proud of his 3 other Children & had them put on his Will & Estate along with his Mother Katherine .

I also Believe Katherine is Giving This Omer Guy Money & taking care of him I don't know why I believe this But it would explain why Hes continuing to Fake it & it could also explain why the Entire Family Claims him & could be why they aren't saying NO! cause They could be SCared that he might go off & tell whats going on & I could be wrong But I have A feeling Omer isn't A Jackson But theres something else going on with Him & the Jackson Family ( IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ) I'm not going it but I do have my own thoery of why The Jacksons are Keeping Omer around .

[Edited 9/23/11 9:28am]

^ I could believe Katherine doing that, maybe Joe told her to do that since he was the one claiming Omer may be Michael's.

jax85 said:

I also Believe Katherine is Giving This Omer Guy Money & taking care of him I don't know why I believe this But it would explain why Hes continuing to Fake it & it could also explain why the Entire Family Claims him & could be why they aren't saying NO! cause They could be SCared that he might go off & tell whats going on & I could be wrong But I have A feeling Omer isn't A Jackson But theres something else going on with Him & the Jackson Family ( IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ) I'm not going it but I do have my own thoery of why The Jacksons are Keeping Omer around .

[Edited 9/23/11 9:28am]

Hmmm, very interesting point!

Ok I can't keep my Theory closed about Omer So here I go .

this may sound Crazy but I never thought Michael Molested the 2 boys in 93 & 05 , However ever since Omer came on Board in 2009 & the Jacksons Claiming him to be Mikes Son kinda made me think of something else going on Cause Mike had a lot of young Boys at Neverland yet none of them

are still hanging around & you don't see the Jacksons going & getting those boys .

However for some reason Omer seems to be this Kid Michael found in Norway in 96" so it doesn't make sence to me of why Mike would go & find his son as well as What are the Odds of him been at A hotel were Mike was & suddenly Hes his Son & now The Jacksons are claiming him as part of the Family .

i don't want to be Vorged but why do I feel like Michael did something with this Child & to keep him from coming out about it Michael started taking care of him & his Family , now the Jacksons are Taking over keeping the ball rolling & are claiming him as Part of the Family & Hes Mikes Son even though Omer looks Half White & Iranian looks nothing like any of them & hes not on anyones Estate Or Will lets not forget the Jackson Children are Claiming Omer as Their Cousin , But Michael is Long gone Dead not here so What would be the point of The Jackson Family as A Whole to keep this Young man around & why would there be any reason to keep him around but Not any of the other Boys Mike Befriended over the Years .

For some reason I Believe Something went on & the Jacksons & Katherine are keeping this ball rolling possibly trying to keep whatever it is A secret so they claim omer .

& I'm thinking Would this be & explain why his Parents arent saying anything is cause maybe something went on & Mike had them to sign A Agreement of some sort to keep their mouths shut & he Continued taking care of Omer to keep whatever it maybe to be A Secret .

I Bet No one never thought of this before , But ever since hes been on Board I've Wondered why would The Jackson's claim him Yet hes not Really Family & it doesn't make since of if hes Mikes kid from the 80's why haven't we seen him in Family pictures back then Why wasn't he Included in the 2300 Jackson Street Video in 88" why are we Just now Finding out about him now & Why hasn't this boy been seen up until 1996 if hes Mikes Son I would think Mike would have had him around back in the 80's why suddenly Now this Guy Pops up & the Jacksons are suddenly Claiming him .

Makes No sence to me , what does make since is This Young Man could be One of the accusers that Maybe Mike got family to Sign A Agreement & He toke care of him to keep His mouth shut .

How else Would you explain why No other Boy but this Young man is been claimed Yet Parents aren't talking & the Jacksons are acting as if Hes Mikes Child .

CAN I SAY SOMETHING IS FISHY ABOUT THIS OMER KID & THE JACKSONS CLAIMING HIM SOMETHING IS UP I'M SORRY BUT SOMETHING SMELLS HIGHLY FISHY.

& I THINK MAYBE THE JACKSON'S ARE TELLING THE KIDS TO CLAIM HIM TOO TO KEEP EVERYTHING HUSH HUSHED .

& Durring the 2005 trail they claimed another boy in Europe also claimed sexual abuse on michael however the boy nor his family has never been named & his claim came after the 1993 case against michael some how The court got this Info .

I Never thought of the Boy in Europe & his Family Until Omer pops up & the Jacksons claiming & Omer came after the 1993 case in 1996 & hes Ironically from Europe "Norway" .

I'm now like hmmmmmmmm could it be omer & his Family .

So you put 2 & 2 together

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[Edited 9/23/11 12:16pm]

I missed the Dr. Drew show with Debarge because I had to work, but I have watched the clips, and have read some comments that have been posted, and I gotta say that from some of the comments, I'm a bit surprised at James. I didn't know that he had been homeless off and on for the last couple of years. Nor did I know that he broke his shoulder jumping out of a window. But I was watching unsung, and it looks to me that his shoulder was broken back then, because you can see the knot there. Also, to see them now, I was really shocked! James had always been thin, but Randy? Wow, wow. It was really good to see Bunny and she was just as beautiful as ever. I can't wait for someone to post the whole show so I can watch it, I've heard it's really hard to watch because it's so sad. People are saying that James was keeping them in tears. I also read that they did a little clip in the show where they watched them go out and beg for drugs??? I don't know. But like everybody else, I'm praying for the family. The stories are that all three went to rehab, but after a few hours, James left. I even read that Dr. Drew was going to try and catch up with James to do a part two with him?

Toxic said:

I missed the Dr. Drew show with Debarge because I had to work, but I have watched the clips, and have read some comments that have been posted, and I gotta say that from some of the comments, I'm a bit surprised at James. I didn't know that he had been homeless off and on for the last couple of years. Nor did I know that he broke his shoulder jumping out of a window. But I was watching unsung, and it looks to me that his shoulder was broken back then, because you can see the knot there. Also, to see them now, I was really shocked! James had always been thin, but Randy? Wow, wow. It was really good to see Bunny and she was just as beautiful as ever. I can't wait for someone to post the whole show so I can watch it, I've heard it's really hard to watch because it's so sad. People are saying that James was keeping them in tears. I also read that they did a little clip in the show where they watched them go out and beg for drugs??? I don't know. But like everybody else, I'm praying for the family. The stories are that all three went to rehab, but after a few hours, James left. I even read that Dr. Drew was going to try and catch up with James to do a part two with him?

Yes I actually Recorded Both Part 1 & Part 2 which Came on Back 2 Back & it was emotional & James did Cry I felt so Bad for him & he kinda acted like he was high on the Show to & I think that maybe the reason whyHe left the Rehab center I don't thnk James was ready .

& i must admit many people may set up & talk about These People been on Drugs & all but they all seem to be Good loving people & you can't blame them You have to go to the Root of the Problem & I Believe its Their Mother Etterlene who whent back to that Bastard after knowing he Sexually abused her Daughter & she kept Having Babies by that evil bastard & he continued to abuse Her & those Kids & she staid there & allowed these Babies to endure Beatings & sexual Abuse & possibly more then that if someone actually get into the Deep roofs of their issues .

i Believe Bobby Not Only Beat James I think theres more to it then Just Him Beating him I truely think James was sexually Molested & abused by his older Brother & I don't know why But it seems Theres More to Bobby just Beatting him & if you think If The Father was Sexually Abusing the Daughter "Bunny" He possibly was sexually abusing some of the boys to I wouldn't be Surprised at all.

& Why? Etterlene didn't Leave No one knows why But I fault her ass for staying there & allowing those babies to be in that type of Househole actually I wouldn't call it A Househole lets just be real It was A Hellwhole for those Kids that are now adults & all 10 But 1 are all on Drugs I don't think Carol is on them But everyone else is on Drug .

I'm Sorry But I only Feel sorry for The Kids & the Grand kids cause they all are Suffering due to Etterlene Selfishness by not wanting to Leave her BASTARD ASS HUSBAND .

jax85 said:

Toxic said:

I missed the Dr. Drew show with Debarge because I had to work, but I have watched the clips, and have read some comments that have been posted, and I gotta say that from some of the comments, I'm a bit surprised at James. I didn't know that he had been homeless off and on for the last couple of years. Nor did I know that he broke his shoulder jumping out of a window. But I was watching unsung, and it looks to me that his shoulder was broken back then, because you can see the knot there. Also, to see them now, I was really shocked! James had always been thin, but Randy? Wow, wow. It was really good to see Bunny and she was just as beautiful as ever. I can't wait for someone to post the whole show so I can watch it, I've heard it's really hard to watch because it's so sad. People are saying that James was keeping them in tears. I also read that they did a little clip in the show where they watched them go out and beg for drugs??? I don't know. But like everybody else, I'm praying for the family. The stories are that all three went to rehab, but after a few hours, James left. I even read that Dr. Drew was going to try and catch up with James to do a part two with him?

Yes I actually Recorded Both Part 1 & Part 2 which Came on Back 2 Back & it was emotional & James did Cry I felt so Bad for him & he kinda acted like he was high on the Show to & I think that maybe the reason whyHe left the Rehab center I don't thnk James was ready .

& i must admit many people may set up & talk about These People been on Drugs & all but they all seem to be Good loving people & you can't blame them You have to go to the Root of the Problem & I Believe its Their Mother Etterlene who whent back to that Bastard after knowing he Sexually abused her Daughter & she kept Having Babies by that evil bastard & he continued to abuse Her & those Kids & she staid there & allowed these Babies to endure Beatings & sexual Abuse & possibly more then that if someone actually get into the Deep roofs of their issues .

i Believe Bobby Not Only Beat James I think theres more to it then Just Him Beating him I truely think James was sexually Molested & abused by his older Brother & I don't know why But it seems Theres More to Bobby just Beatting him & if you think If The Father was Sexually Abusing the Daughter "Bunny" He possibly was sexually abusing some of the boys to I wouldn't be Surprised at all.

& Why? Etterlene didn't Leave No one knows why But I fault her ass for staying there & allowing those babies to be in that type of Househole actually I wouldn't call it A Househole lets just be real It was A Hellwhole for those Kids that are now adults & all 10 But 1 are all on Drugs I don't think Carol is on them But everyone else is on Drug .

I'm Sorry But I only Feel sorry for The Kids & the Grand kids cause they all are Suffering due to Etterlene Selfishness by not wanting to Leave her BASTARD ASS HUSBAND .

Sup, Bro? U gon post that on the you-tube? I sho would like to see it!

I do hope they find James and do a sequel, but u right! James has to want it, bad!

There's a lot of hate going on right now for MD. So far she has not mentioned one thing about the show on her web page.

Another thing, James did mention on the show (so I've read), that Bobby did abuse him in every since of the word. One can only think that he meant sexually, too. Poor James. I can only imagine what he's gone through. Where were his protecters (mom, brothers and sister) when he was young and needed them? Were they (brothers and sister) afraid of Bobby, too?

Toxic said:

jax85 said:

Yes I actually Recorded Both Part 1 & Part 2 which Came on Back 2 Back & it was emotional & James did Cry I felt so Bad for him & he kinda acted like he was high on the Show to & I think that maybe the reason whyHe left the Rehab center I don't thnk James was ready .

& i must admit many people may set up & talk about These People been on Drugs & all but they all seem to be Good loving people & you can't blame them You have to go to the Root of the Problem & I Believe its Their Mother Etterlene who whent back to that Bastard after knowing he Sexually abused her Daughter & she kept Having Babies by that evil bastard & he continued to abuse Her & those Kids & she staid there & allowed these Babies to endure Beatings & sexual Abuse & possibly more then that if someone actually get into the Deep roofs of their issues .

i Believe Bobby Not Only Beat James I think theres more to it then Just Him Beating him I truely think James was sexually Molested & abused by his older Brother & I don't know why But it seems Theres More to Bobby just Beatting him & if you think If The Father was Sexually Abusing the Daughter "Bunny" He possibly was sexually abusing some of the boys to I wouldn't be Surprised at all.

& Why? Etterlene didn't Leave No one knows why But I fault her ass for staying there & allowing those babies to be in that type of Househole actually I wouldn't call it A Househole lets just be real It was A Hellwhole for those Kids that are now adults & all 10 But 1 are all on Drugs I don't think Carol is on them But everyone else is on Drug .

I'm Sorry But I only Feel sorry for The Kids & the Grand kids cause they all are Suffering due to Etterlene Selfishness by not wanting to Leave her BASTARD ASS HUSBAND .

Sup, Bro? U gon post that on the you-tube? I sho would like to see it!

I do hope they find James and do a sequel, but u right! James has to want it, bad!

There's a lot of hate going on right now for MD. So far she has not mentioned one thing about the show on her web page.

Another thing, James did mention on the show (so I've read), that Bobby did abuse him in every since of the word. One can only think that he meant sexually, too. Poor James. I can only imagine what he's gone through. Where were his protecters (mom, brothers and sister) when he was young and needed them? Were they (brothers and sister) afraid of Bobby, too?

Yes He did mention His Brother Abusing in every way every way & so I toke it as in every Way Could Include Sex as well .

Let me Download the Tivo Software on My Computer & try to Upload it on YouTube .

Mrs.DeBarge I don't No loner care for I thought she was better then what I know now & while shes Busy trying to find A fucking Jackson / DeBarge Kid w/Janet she needs to get her Son James Off the damn Street & get him & all her kids into rehab & get them some Counciling as well they Need Help & James seems to be Displaying Not only Physical but Sexual abuse cause Why would he Try to kill himself while with Janet who was there for him & loved him Yet He doesn't seem to love himself enough to help him self get off of drugs.

[Edited 9/23/11 17:24pm]

^ Better watch when you do upload, YouTube can be real funny lol

Timmy84 said:

^ Better watch when you do upload, YouTube can be real funny lol

I will & I'm still Laughing at your comment about Barebacking .....LOL Janet thats a lot of Barebacking James had to handle . .........LMAO

jax85 said:

Toxic said:

Sup, Bro? U gon post that on the you-tube? I sho would like to see it!

I do hope they find James and do a sequel, but u right! James has to want it, bad!

There's a lot of hate going on right now for MD. So far she has not mentioned one thing about the show on her web page.

Another thing, James did mention on the show (so I've read), that Bobby did abuse him in every since of the word. One can only think that he meant sexually, too. Poor James. I can only imagine what he's gone through. Where were his protecters (mom, brothers and sister) when he was young and needed them? Were they (brothers and sister) afraid of Bobby, too?

Yes He did mention His Brother Abusing in every way every way & so I toke it as in every Way Could Include Sex as well .

Let me Download the Tivo Software on My Computer & try to Upload it on YouTube .

Mrs.DeBarge I don't No loner care for I thought she was better then what I know now & while shes Busy trying to find A fucking Jackson / DeBarge Kid w/Janet she needs to get her Son James Off the damn Street & get him & all her kids into rehab & get them some Counciling as well they Need Help & James seems to be Displaying Not only Physical but Sexual abuse cause Why would he Try to kill himself while with Janet who was there for him & loved him Yet He doesn't seem to love himself enough to help him self get off of drugs.

[Edited 9/23/11 17:24pm]

Yeah, James needs some serious help. Of all of the kids, I think James is the most traumatized by his childhood. He cannot seem to let go. He needs to find some answers to his questions, so that he can close that chapter in his life and move on!

I'll say this much I Don't no longer Care for Mrs.DeBarge shes on my shit list , I talk to Bunny, Darell & them & some of the kids But I will never see Mrs.D the same way after what all shes done , shes throwed James Under the Bus with NE BS & after Watching James & them on Dr.Drew I really don't care much for her Cause she caused Her Kids to be the way they are Yet she Wonders why & wants to Praise the Lord I'm like Who is this Lady .

She asking me if I'm Janets Daughter , even if I was Janet & James Daughter after seen everything I've seen I wouldn't want anyone to know she was any kin to me , The only person I would want to meet would be my Dad James & help him & try to be there for him , Mrs.DeBarge can go were the Sun don't shine ( I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE ).............LOL But I'ma try to keep it Clean .

You know, I have heard James speak very tenderly and lovingly about his brother, Bobby. You don't think that maybe James loved Bobby for something more than a brother and was just confused about the abuse, do you?

Oooh, let me stop!!!! That ain't nothing but pure spectulation and plain gossip!!!!

But you just gotta wonder, though????!!!

Toxic said:

jax85 said:

Yes He did mention His Brother Abusing in every way every way & so I toke it as in every Way Could Include Sex as well .

Let me Download the Tivo Software on My Computer & try to Upload it on YouTube .

Mrs.DeBarge I don't No loner care for I thought she was better then what I know now & while shes Busy trying to find A fucking Jackson / DeBarge Kid w/Janet she needs to get her Son James Off the damn Street & get him & all her kids into rehab & get them some Counciling as well they Need Help & James seems to be Displaying Not only Physical but Sexual abuse cause Why would he Try to kill himself while with Janet who was there for him & loved him Yet He doesn't seem to love himself enough to help him self get off of drugs.

[Edited 9/23/11 17:24pm]

Yeah, James needs some serious help. Of all of the kids, I think James is the most traumatized by his childhood. He cannot seem to let go. He needs to find some answers to his questions, so that he can close that chapter in his life and move on!

Exactly Exactly You hit the nail right on the head Here Thats exactly what I wasthinking while Watching The show that He seems to be Traumatized by something in his Childhood that they're not talking about but if you read between lines Something Major happened in that house to that baby & that Little boy is lost & needs to be Helped & healed & I do see him If they do try to help him Hes going to need extra extreme counciling & extreme rehab in order for James to become who he should be he talented & it made be cry I cried a long with them I jusy think James May need extreme Help , Not just any type of help but extreme .

jax85 said:

Toxic said:

Yeah, James needs some serious help. Of all of the kids, I think James is the most traumatized by his childhood. He cannot seem to let go. He needs to find some answers to his questions, so that he can close that chapter in his life and move on!

Exactly Exactly You hit the nail right on the head Here Thats exactly what I wasthinking while Watching The show that He seems to be Traumatized by something in his Childhood that they're not talking about but if you read between lines Something Major happened in that house to that baby & that Little boy is lost & needs to be Helped & healed & I do see him If they do try to help him Hes going to need extra extreme counciling & extreme rehab in order for James to become who he should be he talented & it made be cry I cried a long with them I jusy think James May need extreme Help , Not just any type of help but extreme .

Amen.

Toxic said:

You know, I have heard James speak very tenderly and lovingly about his brother, Bobby. You don't think that maybe James loved Bobby for something more than a brother and was just confused about the abuse, do you?

Oooh, let me stop!!!! That ain't nothing but pure spectulation and plain gossip!!!!

But you just gotta wonder, though????!!!

Read Between the lines Bobby was very Jealous of James Because Their Father Treated him Differently then the other Kids , Bobby got the most Abuse from Robert DeBarge ( the Father ).

There for I don't think Its the way you posted it , I believe Bobby abused James out of anger toward his own Abuse & so He takes it out on Little James as A kid That could also be sexual abuse as well & this could be why? James is so Traumatized & can't seem to let go Of that abused Little boy he still holdining on to trauma made to him so many years ago .

which is Sad & i hope dr.Drew try to get James & help him theres Something in that Man thats still attached to that Little Boy & someone needs to Just get him & tell him Hes loved , He can Trust himself again & he can walk the Straight road again & that Hes not Little James the Boy that was Abused thats long gone & that its not His Fault .

I believe James thinks its his Fault for what Happend to him & its Not Its his Parents fault more Etterlene's crazzy Butt .

[Edited 9/23/11 17:58pm]

jax85 said:

Toxic said:

You know, I have heard James speak very tenderly and lovingly about his brother, Bobby. You don't think that maybe James loved Bobby for something more than a brother and was just confused about the abuse, do you?

Oooh, let me stop!!!! That ain't nothing but pure spectulation and plain gossip!!!!

But you just gotta wonder, though????!!!

Read Between the lines Bobby was very Jealous of James Because Their Father Treated him Differently then the other Kids , Bobby got the most Abuse from Robert DeBarge ( the Father ).

There for I don't think Its the way you posted it , I believe Bobby abused James out of anger toward his own Abuse & so He takes it out on Little James as A kid That could also be sexual abuse as well & this could be why? James is so Traumatized & can't seem to let go Of that abused Little boy he still holdining on to trauma made to him so many years ago .

Ok.

jax85 said:

Toxic said:

You know, I have heard James speak very tenderly and lovingly about his brother, Bobby. You don't think that maybe James loved Bobby for something more than a brother and was just confused about the abuse, do you?

Oooh, let me stop!!!! That ain't nothing but pure spectulation and plain gossip!!!!

But you just gotta wonder, though????!!!

Read Between the lines Bobby was very Jealous of James Because Their Father Treated him Differently then the other Kids , Bobby got the most Abuse from Robert DeBarge ( the Father ).

There for I don't think Its the way you posted it , I believe Bobby abused James out of anger toward his own Abuse & so He takes it out on Little James as A kid That could also be sexual abuse as well & this could be why? James is so Traumatized & can't seem to let go Of that abused Little boy he still holdining on to trauma made to him so many years ago .

which is Sad & i hope dr.Drew try to get James & help him theres Something in that Man thats still attached to that Little Boy & someone needs to Just get him & tell him Hes loved , He can Trust himself again & he can walk the Straight road again & that Hes not Little James the Boy that was Abused thats long gone & that its not His Fault .

I believe James thinks its his Fault for what Happend to him & its Not Its his Parents fault more Etterlene's crazzy Butt .

[Edited 9/23/11 17:58pm]

You know what? You're right. I don't know how I could have even insinuated earlier that James was in love with his own brother.

James has a very tender and loving heart. I've heard him speak enough to know this. You can hear the love pour from his heart. He's so dear. That could be another reason why Bobby hated him so. I don't know.

But I will say this, James needs 'get in touch' with Bobby and his father. I know they are dead, but that's the only way I can see, how he's going to close this chapter. You know, find one of those people who can get intouch with dead people and ask the questions that he really need answered. I personally don't really believe in these kinds of people, but for James, it could be a start? I think James also needs someone who's going to love him unconditionally. Not just when he's being good, but also when he's not being so good. Someone, who will put their arms around him, hold him tight, and let him know that everything is going to be ok. That they will forever remain by his side, you know? His problem are way too big for him to handle on his own. I think that by now, if James could have found his own way out, that he would have. But obviously he can't. He can't just pull himself up by his bootstraps, get 'over it' and move on. I wish I could be the one to help him. I really wish it were me.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

B Howard... if anyone is MJ's secret son... I would believe B. Howard way more than Omer who I agree looks Arab and white.

Howard sound so much like a young MJ and has some of his mannerisms... I swear I saw this interview on youtube... and the hair stood up on my arms. It was like hearing/seeing a ghost. He didn't necessarily look like MJ but when he talked.. and his tone, tempo of speech etc... it was like looking at a ghost.

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

what i wanna know is why nobody has ever heard of mikki howards connection to the jacksons. i never even knew they were friends, now i find out that joe managed her around 79/80, her son basically grew up around the family encino home, he said they fed him and took care of him. then he looks,speaks, and has mannerisms so much like mj its scary.let me find out mikki is the real billie jean

lowkey said:

Timmy84 said:

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

what i wanna know is why nobody has ever heard of mikki howards connection to the jacksons. i never even knew they were friends, now i find out that joe managed her around 79/80, her son basically grew up around the family encino home, he said they fed him and took care of him. then he looks,speaks, and has mannerisms so much like mj its scary.let me find out mikki is the real billie jean

They may have Done all that for Brandon But The Jacksons & Their Kids aren't Claiming Brandon Not like they Are with Omer.

which Is wierd Of why are They Claiming Omer , yet Token in Mikki & her Children & Yet Isn't Claiming Brandon as A Jackson ???????

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lowkey said:

Timmy84 said:

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

what i wanna know is why nobody has ever heard of mikki howards connection to the jacksons. i never even knew they were friends, now i find out that joe managed her around 79/80, her son basically grew up around the family encino home, he said they fed him and took care of him. then he looks,speaks, and has mannerisms so much like mj its scary.let me find out mikki is the real billie jean

I doubt that was the case. After 1980, Miki let her boyfriend - at the time - Auggie Johnson, who is the biological father of Miki's two eldest (including Brandon, mind you Brandon was born in 1980) - manage her. I think Miki might've been mentored briefly by Joe Jackson but decided it was best NOT to do business since Joe didn't really do well with anyone outside his brood. So she moved on even though it's possible she kept in touch with the family. I doubt she was THAT close that a possible link with Brandon and a Jackson relative - either Joe or Michael or any other Jackson - could be made possible. It just wasn't in my eyes.