SoulAlive said:

jax85 said:

I Agree I mean if she had A Miscarriage Or Abortion Why not tell The Father & Family why all this Secret BS & after watching the Dr.Drew Show Yesterday with Bunny,Randy & James I actually started crying I felt & feel bad for James He seems like A very Loving Guy with A Troubled past & I mean If theres A Child Janet needs to let that man know like hell its been 26 or 29 years The kid would now be older & why would it be A Secret .

It's possible that James knows about the abortion or miscarriage but is not allowed to speak publicly about it.This could be a part of the annulment,where they both agreed not to discuss the marriage.

On a related note....am I the only one who thinks that Janet's 1993 song "Where Are You Now?" could be about James? Read the lyrics.

I can believe it could be. Just the way it was written and how Janet used to write about her personal life... she never revealed who it was really all about (even dedicating it to someone else, I think her dog lol)

Heres My Question On Omer & the Media .

What made the Media Think Omer Bhatti was A Jackson Or Part of The Jackson Family setting in the Front row .

Cause I really didn't notice him setting in the Front & even If I did It wouldn't have made me think he was Part Of the Jackson Family I Would have Thought It was A Employee of Mikes Kid Or one of the Kids Friends but it wouldn't made me think Ohhhhhhhh He Must be A Jackson .

& were did the Media get that Omer was A Jackson from anyway I would like to know???

& I would like to Know Why Omer & His Parents have yet to Come out & say anything about Omer not been Michael's & Why Such Secret of Who Omer Belongs to when He looks Dead on like His Iranian Father Ritz With A Little Touch of White from Pia ......LOL

Cause If I had A son & they were going around talking about They the King of Pop's Kid & I New it wasn't True I would be MAD! for them Embrassing me & I would be like BOY Get your ass some were & set down your not A damn Jackson & be like stop making me look like A BAD! parent .

& I'm like Why is his Parents continuing to let him Pretend to be A Jackson If hes not .

[Edited 9/22/11 16:07pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:11pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:18pm]

jax85 said:

Heres My Question On Omer & the Media .

What made the Media Think Omer Bhatti was A Jackson Or Part of The Jackson Family setting in the Front row .

Cause I really didn't notice him setting in the Front & even If I did It wouldn't have made me think he was Part Of the Jackson Family I Would have Thought It was A Employee of Mikes Kid Or one of the Kids Friends but it wouldn't made me think Ohhhhhhhh He Must be A Jackson .

& were did the Media get that Omer was A Jackson from anyway I would like to know???

& I would like to Know Why Omer & His Parents have yet to Come out & say anything about Omer not been Michael's & Why Such Secret of Who Omer Belongs to when He looks Dead on like His Iranian Father Ritz With A Little Touch of White from Pia ......LOL

Cause If I had A son & they were going around talking about They the King of Pop's Kid & I New it wasn't True I would be MAD! for them Embrassing me & I would be like BOY Get your ass some were & set down your not A damn Jackson & be like stop making me look like A BAD! parent .

& I'm like Why is his Parents continuing to let him Pretend to be A Jackson If hes not .

[Edited 9/22/11 16:07pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:11pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:18pm]

I think the tragedy in this is they want people to pretend that Omer has much to do with the legacy of Michael as Prince, Paris and Blanket are. I think his parents loved the attention they get from Omer being passed around as some lost Jackson child because of the potential money Omer could make from passing himself off as Michael's child. Which is probably why Miki Howard has hesitated to tell her son Brandon to stop pretending that he's a Jackson himself.

purplethunder3121 said:

^^^ I'm sure by this time James has some kids that are known and acknowledged--after all, don't most of the DeBarge men have a whole village of them?! No need to bring Janet in continually, except for name value, that is.

exactly, same goes for the mother, instead of chasing some phantom jackson grandchild she need to focus on her kids who are obviously battling some serious demons. and for the person trying to blame this janet secret kid for james problems please stop it. that man has been an addict like the rest of his family for years. james was abused by his big brother (from the dr drew show it seems like bobby sexually abused him to), janet was a kid who got caught up with a man who was a junkie, he took her off to his hometown and married her, he said she got pregnant and he took her to get an abortion. janet is not to blame for his problems, the jackson family should thank god they got their baby girl away from that family or she might have been sitting on the dr drew show with them.

SoulAlive said:

Ok,after we've been spent so many days trying to solve this mystery,here's what I truly believe....

***Janet WAS pregnant in 1985 (there's enough evidence to support this)

***She either had a miscarriage or an abortion

***Whatever the case...she was very discreet about it,which is probably why Etterlene assumes that the baby was born.

Actually Soul, the more I read about this rumor and people's theories... the more I am convinced that you have hit the nail on the head... on all three statements.

I am leaning more towards miscarriage/stillborn... because I think she was too far along for an elective abortion.

jax85 said:

But I've heard she Had the Kid in 1982 I'm not sure if this is right Or true But Janet did Say In Both Her Book & On TV Interview about her Book That She Lost her Virginity at 15 or 16 which would be 81 or 82 to James DeBarge she stated in her TV Interview that She did it because she felt like she was Getting away with doing something BAD! since her Parents were So Strict .

So could it be possible she had the kid in 1982 at 16 Which is Possible , & Yes she was on TV on Different Strokes But Still Its Possible .

haha... wrong rumor. It was Kim Fields who got pg at 16 by Todd Bridges and her mom raised her daughter as her own... Kim's younger sister... at least that is what THAT rumor had said back in the day.

lots of rumors about secret pregnancies back then. I guess we don't see that happen anymore, now with "Teen Mom" and "Pregnant and 16" is the hit TV shows. Younger girls can just go on and have their babies in the open and get on a hit tv show.

prodigalfan said:

jax85 said:

But I've heard she Had the Kid in 1982 I'm not sure if this is right Or true But Janet did Say In Both Her Book & On TV Interview about her Book That She Lost her Virginity at 15 or 16 which would be 81 or 82 to James DeBarge she stated in her TV Interview that She did it because she felt like she was Getting away with doing something BAD! since her Parents were So Strict .

So could it be possible she had the kid in 1982 at 16 Which is Possible , & Yes she was on TV on Different Strokes But Still Its Possible .

haha... wrong rumor. It was Kim Fields who got pg at 16 by Todd Bridges and her mom raised her daughter as her own... Kim's younger sister... at least that is what THAT rumor had said back in the day.

lots of rumors about secret pregnancies back then. I guess we don't see that happen anymore, now with "Teen Mom" and "Pregnant and 16" is the hit TV shows. Younger girls can just go on and have their babies in the open and get on a hit tv show.

I actually remember reading on that once...

Timmy84 said:

^ No it's not possible. James probably used protection.

Timmy I agree with you, I don't believe it is likely.. but I just HAD to comment on your statement...

"not possible" and "probably" in the same statement is like a double negative. Either it is possible, or he definitely used protection. You can't have it both ways.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

^ No it's not possible. James probably used protection.

Timmy I agree with you, I don't believe it is likely.. but I just HAD to comment on your statement...

"not possible" and "probably" in the same statement is like a double negative. Either it is possible, or he definitely used protection. You can't have it both ways.

lol thanks for correcting me.

SoulAlive said:

jax85 said:

I Agree I mean if she had A Miscarriage Or Abortion Why not tell The Father & Family why all this Secret BS & after watching the Dr.Drew Show Yesterday with Bunny,Randy & James I actually started crying I felt & feel bad for James He seems like A very Loving Guy with A Troubled past & I mean If theres A Child Janet needs to let that man know like hell its been 26 or 29 years The kid would now be older & why would it be A Secret .

It's possible that James knows about the abortion or miscarriage but is not allowed to speak publicly about it.This could be a part of the annulment,where they both agreed not to discuss the marriage.

On a related note....am I the only one who thinks that Janet's 1993 song "Where Are You Now?" could be about James? Read the lyrics.

right, this I believe is the truth. That would explain why there has never been not ONE word from James on the subject.

prodigalfan said:

jax85 said:

But I've heard she Had the Kid in 1982 I'm not sure if this is right Or true But Janet did Say In Both Her Book & On TV Interview about her Book That She Lost her Virginity at 15 or 16 which would be 81 or 82 to James DeBarge she stated in her TV Interview that She did it because she felt like she was Getting away with doing something BAD! since her Parents were So Strict .

So could it be possible she had the kid in 1982 at 16 Which is Possible , & Yes she was on TV on Different Strokes But Still Its Possible .

haha... wrong rumor. It was Kim Fields who got pg at 16 by Todd Bridges and her mom raised her daughter as her own... Kim's younger sister... at least that is what THAT rumor had said back in the day.

lots of rumors about secret pregnancies back then. I guess we don't see that happen anymore, now with "Teen Mom" and "Pregnant and 16" is the hit TV shows. Younger girls can just go on and have their babies in the open and get on a hit tv show.

WRONG ! This isn't About Kim Fields & I wasn't talking about A Kim Fields neither , I Was refering to Janet herself Stating in Both Her Book "TRUE YOU" & Her Recent Interview With I Believe Katie Curri of Dateline Said herself that she lost her Virginity to James DeBarge at 16 back in 1982 there for i was refering to Janet Not Kim Fields .

jax85 said:

prodigalfan said:

No I agree that if there was a baby and was put up for adoption it is possible that the baby could never be privy to adoption information. I just am very very skeptical that a Jackson baby would be given to non-relatives to raise. I don't believe that for one minute.

So you think the Media wouldn't catch on or find out about Janet's Baby who's within The Family , Come on now with how the paparozi & media are I highly doubt the Jacksons would be able to hide a kid for 26 years within their Family the media would have digged up something like Adoption Papers or Birth Certificate or some sort of Trail leading A Child within The Family back to Janet .

It would sound more likely the Child was Adopted by A Non-Jackson Family Or Member of That Family which would explain why No one not even the Media has yet to Find anything on A Janet Jackson .

I doubt A Secret Child within the Jackson Family would be kept a secret even in the 90's when Latoya's ass was running around Talk about been Abused by Joe & all that stuff she Spilled out in the 90's Yet Nothing came out of her mouth about a secret Kid been Adopted by A Family that Belongs to Janet & James DeBarge I would think She would have told this as well.

I Believe If She did Have A Child & she Gave it up I don't think It was to A Family member at all Which would explain why theres No Pictures , No Kid has Came out & I would think been within The Family that Kid would wonder & be asking Not unless The kid is like myself who has Heard that My Aunt is my Real Mother Yet I've never asked or have I brung it up to her Otherwise I would think The kid would have started been curious about who they really belonged to .

[Edited 9/22/11 12:33pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 12:38pm]

I ain't buying it. No way Joseph would allow his blood to be handed off to strangers. No way Katherine would allow her grandbaby.... by her BABY GIRL no less, to be handed off to strangers.

By this time... MJ was blowing up big following Thriller, and he was getting paranoid by the mobs and papparazzi.... security was becoming very important to him. I just don't believe the Jacksons would give the baby to non family... a friend of the family... a distant relative... but not total strangers.

I used to think the baby could be with the Debarge family... but that was before I knew how troubled that family was. There is no way... any of the Jacksons would allow Janet's baby to live with those Debarges either. Jermaine talks about how ghetto they were at a family gathering. and now I know that the boys were still hustling drugs etc... even though they had talent and opportunity to pursue legal ways to make money.... I don't believe any of the Jackson would allow an defenseless baby Jackson to go live with the Debarges.

The baby died, or is within the Jackson family. Could even be a relative from Katherine's side... does Katherine have any siblings? See what I am getting at? Not a stranger, a family member who is not part of the immediate family so the media would not even give it a second thought... and possibly someone who does not reside in the LA area.

prodigalfan said:

jax85 said:

So you think the Media wouldn't catch on or find out about Janet's Baby who's within The Family , Come on now with how the paparozi & media are I highly doubt the Jacksons would be able to hide a kid for 26 years within their Family the media would have digged up something like Adoption Papers or Birth Certificate or some sort of Trail leading A Child within The Family back to Janet .

It would sound more likely the Child was Adopted by A Non-Jackson Family Or Member of That Family which would explain why No one not even the Media has yet to Find anything on A Janet Jackson .

I doubt A Secret Child within the Jackson Family would be kept a secret even in the 90's when Latoya's ass was running around Talk about been Abused by Joe & all that stuff she Spilled out in the 90's Yet Nothing came out of her mouth about a secret Kid been Adopted by A Family that Belongs to Janet & James DeBarge I would think She would have told this as well.

I Believe If She did Have A Child & she Gave it up I don't think It was to A Family member at all Which would explain why theres No Pictures , No Kid has Came out & I would think been within The Family that Kid would wonder & be asking Not unless The kid is like myself who has Heard that My Aunt is my Real Mother Yet I've never asked or have I brung it up to her Otherwise I would think The kid would have started been curious about who they really belonged to .

[Edited 9/22/11 12:33pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 12:38pm]

I ain't buying it. No way Joseph would allow his blood to be handed off to strangers. No way Katherine would allow her grandbaby.... by her BABY GIRL no less, to be handed off to strangers.

By this time... MJ was blowing up big following Thriller, and he was getting paranoid by the mobs and papparazzi.... security was becoming very important to him. I just don't believe the Jacksons would give the baby to non family... a friend of the family... a distant relative... but not total strangers.

I used to think the baby could be with the Debarge family... but that was before I knew how troubled that family was. There is no way... any of the Jacksons would allow Janet's baby to live with those Debarges either. Jermaine talks about how ghetto they were at a family gathering. and now I know that the boys were still hustling drugs etc... even though they had talent and opportunity to pursue legal ways to make money.... I don't believe any of the Jackson would allow an defenseless baby Jackson to go live with the Debarges.

The baby died, or is within the Jackson family. Could even be a relative from Katherine's side... does Katherine have any siblings? See what I am getting at? Not a stranger, a family member who is not part of the immediate family so the media would not even give it a second thought... and possibly someone who does not reside in the LA area.

Or maybe the baby just didn't exist and if it did, like you said, it was of stillbirth. Katherine had one sibling, sister Hattie but I don't know if she's still alive or not.

Timmy84 said:

jax85 said:

Heres My Question On Omer & the Media .

What made the Media Think Omer Bhatti was A Jackson Or Part of The Jackson Family setting in the Front row .

Cause I really didn't notice him setting in the Front & even If I did It wouldn't have made me think he was Part Of the Jackson Family I Would have Thought It was A Employee of Mikes Kid Or one of the Kids Friends but it wouldn't made me think Ohhhhhhhh He Must be A Jackson .

& were did the Media get that Omer was A Jackson from anyway I would like to know???

& I would like to Know Why Omer & His Parents have yet to Come out & say anything about Omer not been Michael's & Why Such Secret of Who Omer Belongs to when He looks Dead on like His Iranian Father Ritz With A Little Touch of White from Pia ......LOL

Cause If I had A son & they were going around talking about They the King of Pop's Kid & I New it wasn't True I would be MAD! for them Embrassing me & I would be like BOY Get your ass some were & set down your not A damn Jackson & be like stop making me look like A BAD! parent .

& I'm like Why is his Parents continuing to let him Pretend to be A Jackson If hes not .

[Edited 9/22/11 16:07pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:11pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 16:18pm]

I think the tragedy in this is they want people to pretend that Omer has much to do with the legacy of Michael as Prince, Paris and Blanket are. I think his parents loved the attention they get from Omer being passed around as some lost Jackson child because of the potential money Omer could make from passing himself off as Michael's child. Which is probably why Miki Howard has hesitated to tell her son Brandon to stop pretending that he's a Jackson himself.

It seems that way cause I'm like Why is his Parents not making him stop with the BS & B.Howard to his Mother should damn better But I think Genevieve Jackson ( Randy's Daughter ) Busted B.Howards Boubble on Twitter By posting that B.Howard is not A Jackson Or Related to the Jackson Family I Notice He has since Deleted Genevieve Off His Twitter ............LMAO .

Can we please close this thread? This Indian boy has nothing to do with James, has nothing to do with Janet, he is not black, he does not look like Michael, Michael didn't even look like himself the last 20ish years of his life -cosmetic surgery is not genetic he wouldn't come out of the womb with a Thriller/Bad era nose, if Omar is mid-late 20s in age that would mean Janet gave birth to him around Dream Street -where are all the pics of her pregnant? Are you telling me she kept it a secret during that time and all throughout Control? How the fuck did he end up in Tunishia with Uncle Mike in '96? Did James & Janet drop him off there so nobody would know but forgot to inform Michael?

OHHH THE HORRORRR.

musicjunky318 said:

Can we please close this thread? This Indian boy has nothing to do with James, has nothing to do with Janet, he is not black, he does not look like Michael, Michael didn't even look like himself the last 20ish years of his life -cosmetic surgery is not genetic he wouldn't come out of the womb with a Thriller/Bad era nose, if Omar is mid-late 20s in age that would mean Janet gave birth to him around Dream Street -where are all the pics of her pregnant? Are you telling me she kept it a secret during that time and all throughout Control? How the fuck did he end up in Tunishia with Uncle Mike in '96? Did James & Janet drop him off there so nobody would know but forgot to inform Michael?

OHHH THE HORRORRR.

See when you put it like that, you can tell how ridiculous rumors are. Especially concerning the JACKSON FAMILY!

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Can we please close this thread? This Indian boy has nothing to do with James, has nothing to do with Janet, he is not black, he does not look like Michael, Michael didn't even look like himself the last 20ish years of his life -cosmetic surgery is not genetic he wouldn't come out of the womb with a Thriller/Bad era nose, if Omar is mid-late 20s in age that would mean Janet gave birth to him around Dream Street -where are all the pics of her pregnant? Are you telling me she kept it a secret during that time and all throughout Control? How the fuck did he end up in Tunishia with Uncle Mike in '96? Did James & Janet drop him off there so nobody would know but forgot to inform Michael?

OHHH THE HORRORRR.

See when you put it like that, you can tell how ridiculous rumors are. Especially concerning the JACKSON FAMILY!

LMAO It's a hot mess isn't it?

jax85 said:

prodigalfan said:

No I agree that if there was a baby and was put up for adoption it is possible that the baby could never be privy to adoption information. I just am very very skeptical that a Jackson baby would be given to non-relatives to raise. I don't believe that for one minute.

So you think the Media wouldn't catch on or find out about Janet's Baby who's within The Family , Come on now with how the paparozi & media are I highly doubt the Jacksons would be able to hide a kid for 26 years within their Family the media would have digged up something like Adoption Papers or Birth Certificate or some sort of Trail leading A Child within The Family back to Janet .

It would sound more likely the Child was Adopted by A Non-Jackson Family Or Member of That Family which would explain why No one not even the Media has yet to Find anything on A Janet Jackson .

I doubt A Secret Child within the Jackson Family would be kept a secret even in the 90's when Latoya's ass was running around Talk about been Abused by Joe & all that stuff she Spilled out in the 90's Yet Nothing came out of her mouth about a secret Kid been Adopted by A Family that Belongs to Janet & James DeBarge I would think She would have told this as well.

I Believe If She did Have A Child & she Gave it up I don't think It was to A Family member at all Which would explain why theres No Pictures , No Kid has Came out & I would think been within The Family that Kid would wonder & be asking Not unless The kid is like myself who has Heard that My Aunt is my Real Mother Yet I've never asked or have I brung it up to her Otherwise I would think The kid would have started been curious about who they really belonged to .

[Edited 9/22/11 12:33pm]

[Edited 9/22/11 12:38pm]

BTW, sorry you had some confusion or doubt in your life concerning your parentage. That sucks and it is not fair to the kids that are affected. Grown ups seem to have it together and "know what is best" when we are kids... and when we grow up and look at the situation from and adult's POV, you realize that parents... even our parents are just people and can really fuck up things sometimes.

But you gotta love 'em, and just keep it moving. Take it in stride and don't get so caught up in who sired you (that's history) and lose focus of what is most important... who you are TODAY and WHERE you are going in life (that's your future).

I had similar issues concerning my parentage that came to light when I became a teen. Other than a little bump in the road... I kept it moving and realized that my parents did the best they could out of a messy situation. And they really did do pretty good. I have no ill will toward either 3 of my parents... (yes I said three )

It just made me determined that when it came time for me to become a parent there would be no messiness, no MESSES!

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

See when you put it like that, you can tell how ridiculous rumors are. Especially concerning the JACKSON FAMILY!

LMAO It's a hot mess isn't it?

And made worse by a mother who should be more concerned with her children's troubling drug addictions than wondering if she has a potential grandchild related to Michael Jackson because we know that's what it's all about. It's all about that green, not wanting to know the parentage and Etterlene know damn well that boy ain't her son's.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

LMAO It's a hot mess isn't it?

And made worse by a mother who should be more concerned with her children's troubling drug addictions than wondering if she has a potential grandchild related to Michael Jackson because we know that's what it's all about. It's all about that green, not wanting to know the parentage and Etterlene know damn well that boy ain't her son's.

You just hit the nail on the head.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's possible that James knows about the abortion or miscarriage but is not allowed to speak publicly about it.This could be a part of the annulment,where they both agreed not to discuss the marriage.

On a related note....am I the only one who thinks that Janet's 1993 song "Where Are You Now?" could be about James? Read the lyrics.

I can believe it could be. Just the way it was written and how Janet used to write about her personal life... she never revealed who it was really all about (even dedicating it to someone else, I think her dog lol)

Just looked up the lyrics... it was written by Jam and Lewis. But you know on Unsung Cherrell's episode... Jam and Lewis describe how they wrote songs for Cherrell and Alexander Oneal... it seems they would talk to them and get them to talk about themselves, their feelings and from those stories Jam and Lewis would write hits... like "you look good to me" was about Randy Rand, Cherrell's husband... the song was her POV but she didn't write it.

So maybe this song IS about James.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

I can believe it could be. Just the way it was written and how Janet used to write about her personal life... she never revealed who it was really all about (even dedicating it to someone else, I think her dog lol)

Just looked up the lyrics... it was written by Jam and Lewis. But you know on Unsung Cherrell's episode... Jam and Lewis describe how they wrote songs for Cherrell and Alexander Oneal... it seems they would talk to them and get them to talk about themselves, their feelings and from those stories Jam and Lewis would write hits... like "you look good to me" was about Randy Rand, Cherrell's husband... the song was her POV but she didn't write it.

So maybe this song IS about James.

You know back in the Motown days, people just simply didn't write songs just to be writing them lol it was sometimes based on personal experiences, either by the songwriters themselves or seeing the actions of the singers that were gonna record a song so the story would come up.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

And made worse by a mother who should be more concerned with her children's troubling drug addictions than wondering if she has a potential grandchild related to Michael Jackson because we know that's what it's all about. It's all about that green, not wanting to know the parentage and Etterlene know damn well that boy ain't her son's.

You just hit the nail on the head.

Yep. Because you know Etterlene is not really concerned with the DNA, she wants the green. No doubt if there was any TRUTH to this, Etterlene would be basically going on media junkets saying "Katherine, pay me" or "Michael's estate, I'm a sick elderly woman and I need money because I can't afford my Medicare and you have a child that is related to Michael and is Janet's child." I don't trust her. Especially since it doesn't even seem like she raised eight of her eldest children and they practically raised themselves.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Just looked up the lyrics... it was written by Jam and Lewis. But you know on Unsung Cherrell's episode... Jam and Lewis describe how they wrote songs for Cherrell and Alexander Oneal... it seems they would talk to them and get them to talk about themselves, their feelings and from those stories Jam and Lewis would write hits... like "you look good to me" was about Randy Rand, Cherrell's husband... the song was her POV but she didn't write it.

So maybe this song IS about James.

You know back in the Motown days, people just simply didn't write songs just to be writing them lol it was sometimes based on personal experiences, either by the songwriters themselves or seeing the actions of the singers that were gonna record a song so the story would come up.

Now there you go, causing the devil to come out of me... cause the first song I thought of was Muscles written for Diana Ross by MJ owner of the pet snake named Muscles.

I have always about this one.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Timmy I agree with you, I don't believe it is likely.. but I just HAD to comment on your statement...

"not possible" and "probably" in the same statement is like a double negative. Either it is possible, or he definitely used protection. You can't have it both ways.

lol thanks for correcting me.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

You know back in the Motown days, people just simply didn't write songs just to be writing them lol it was sometimes based on personal experiences, either by the songwriters themselves or seeing the actions of the singers that were gonna record a song so the story would come up.

Now there you go, causing the devil to come out of me... cause the first song I thought of was Muscles written for Diana Ross by MJ owner of the pet snake named Muscles.

I have always about this one.

He wrote that because that was Diana's obsession then: she wanted a man with muscles. So Michael basically wrote what she was thinking of at the time. And she didn't give a damn if the man was young or old. I think he figured she was talking about HIM (Michael) because maybe he was tripping with her showing off his "muscles". I know you saw the '82 pics of them embracing each other and guess where Diana's hands are at? HIS MUSCLES!

[Edited 9/22/11 20:59pm]

I also believed he came up with that story of it being named after the pet snake because...he wanted to keep that innocent facade. *AHEM* lol

jax85 said:

Timmy84 said:

I think the tragedy in this is they want people to pretend that Omer has much to do with the legacy of Michael as Prince, Paris and Blanket are. I think his parents loved the attention they get from Omer being passed around as some lost Jackson child because of the potential money Omer could make from passing himself off as Michael's child. Which is probably why Miki Howard has hesitated to tell her son Brandon to stop pretending that he's a Jackson himself.

It seems that way cause I'm like Why is his Parents not making him stop with the BS & B.Howard to his Mother should damn better But I think Genevieve Jackson ( Randy's Daughter ) Busted B.Howards Boubble on Twitter By posting that B.Howard is not A Jackson Or Related to the Jackson Family I Notice He has since Deleted Genevieve Off His Twitter ............LMAO .

B Howard... if anyone is MJ's secret son... I would believe B. Howard way more than Omer who I agree looks Arab and white.

Howard sound so much like a young MJ and has some of his mannerisms... I swear I saw this interview on youtube... and the hair stood up on my arms. It was like hearing/seeing a ghost. He didn't necessarily look like MJ but when he talked.. and his tone, tempo of speech etc... it was like looking at a ghost.

prodigalfan said:

jax85 said:

It seems that way cause I'm like Why is his Parents not making him stop with the BS & B.Howard to his Mother should damn better But I think Genevieve Jackson ( Randy's Daughter ) Busted B.Howards Boubble on Twitter By posting that B.Howard is not A Jackson Or Related to the Jackson Family I Notice He has since Deleted Genevieve Off His Twitter ............LMAO .

B Howard... if anyone is MJ's secret son... I would believe B. Howard way more than Omer who I agree looks Arab and white.

Howard sound so much like a young MJ and has some of his mannerisms... I swear I saw this interview on youtube... and the hair stood up on my arms. It was like hearing/seeing a ghost. He didn't necessarily look like MJ but when he talked.. and his tone, tempo of speech etc... it was like looking at a ghost.

His voice and mannerisms seem fake. I mean it ain't hard to think a kid could look like "a Jackson". Hell people think Tay Zonday look like a Jackson! To be honest, I was having a hard time telling B. Howard and Tay Zonday apart.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

Now there you go, causing the devil to come out of me... cause the first song I thought of was Muscles written for Diana Ross by MJ owner of the pet snake named Muscles.

I have always about this one.

He wrote that because that was Diana's obsession then: she wanted a man with muscles. So Michael basically wrote what she was thinking of at the time. And she didn't give a damn if the man was young or old. I think he figured she was talking about HIM (Michael) because maybe he was tripping with her showing off his "muscles". I know you saw the '82 pics of them embracing each other and guess where Diana's hands are at? HIS MUSCLES!

[Edited 9/22/11 20:59pm]

{insert emoticon rolling on the floor laughing hysterically in tears}

MJ, muscles???!!!