Bowser!!!

Bowzer has been a big advocate for oldies acts with the original singers trying to fight groups touring under names with zero original members.

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dalsh327 said:

Bowzer has been a big advocate for oldies acts with the original singers trying to fight groups touring under names with zero original members.

Mary Wilson of The Supremes has also been trying to get legislation against the imposter groups.

MickyDolenz said:

dalsh327 said:

Bowzer has been a big advocate for oldies acts with the original singers trying to fight groups touring under names with zero original members.

Mary Wilson of The Supremes has also been trying to get legislation against the imposter groups.

Mary has been fighting that for decades--at least since I saw her with her at the Sand's Beach Club in Key West in the early 80s!

purplethunder3121 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Mary Wilson of The Supremes has also been trying to get legislation against the imposter groups.

Mary has been fighting that for decades--at least since I saw her with her at the Sand's Beach Club in Key West in the early 80s!

The thing is that hardly anybody knew what the groups looked like or what the members names were. They were just voices heard on the radio, or a 45 single. That's why some groups were able to change members and nobody knew the difference. It also made it easy for fake groups to tour and make money (well at least the managers and promoters who put the imposter groups together made money). This even happened when the groups were originally out.

MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Mary has been fighting that for decades--at least since I saw her with her at the Sand's Beach Club in Key West in the early 80s!

The thing is that hardly anybody knew what the groups looked like or what the members names were. They were just voices heard on the radio, or a 45 single. That's why some groups were able to change members and nobody knew the difference. It also made it easy for fake groups to tour and make money (well at least the managers and promoters who put the imposter groups together made money). This even happened when the groups were originally out.

Yeah, I remember when Diana tried to tour with the "New Supremes" and it was a disaster. The shame is when I saw Mary Wilson perform when Diana was at the top of the pop charts and I commented to people that she was a better singer than Diana, I was cussed at and villified (while people took a break in the bathroom from snorting coke through a straw!).

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, I remember when Diana tried to tour with the "New Supremes" and it was a disaster.

Tehnically, they were Supremes, but from the 1970's, not from when Diana was in the group.

MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, I remember when Diana tried to tour with the "New Supremes" and it was a disaster.

Tehnically, they were Supremes, but from the 1970's, not from when Diana was in the group.

Yeah, but I'm talking about years after the Supremes group disbanded and she tried to tour with a "fake" group called the New Supremes. If I am making myself clear.

purplethunder3121 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Tehnically, they were Supremes, but from the 1970's, not from when Diana was in the group.

Yeah, but I'm talking about years after the Supremes group disbanded and she tried to tour with a "fake" group called the New Supremes. If I am making myself clear.

I know about the New Supremes. Mary and Cindy Birdsong turned her down because Diana was getting paid more than them. So Diana got two members from the 1970's Supremes. So it wasn't really a fake group. After Diana left the group, Mary & Cindy continued on with Jean Terrell. Many people thought the group broke up whe Diana went solo, so don't know about the other two "New Supremes" members, although they were part of the group at one time. I think one of them was Susaye Green, who co-wrote Michael Jackson's I Can't Help It with Stevie Wonder. During the 1970's, the Supremes were like The Temptations, in that they had different lineups.

MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, but I'm talking about years after the Supremes group disbanded and she tried to tour with a "fake" group called the New Supremes. If I am making myself clear.

I know about the New Supremes. Mary and Cindy Birdsong turned her down because Diana was getting paid more than them. So Diana got two members from the 1970's Supremes. So it wasn't really a fake group. After Diana left the group, Mary & Cindy continued on with Jean Terrell. Many people thought the group broke up whe Diana went solo, so don't know about the other two "New Supremes" members, although they were part of the group at one time. I think one of them was Susaye Green, who co-wrote Michael Jackson's I Can't Help It with Stevie Wonder. During the 1970's, the Supremes were like The Temptations, in that they had different lineups.

Well, I stand corrected. But still the New Supremes would never equal the old. And I still think that Mary Wilson had a better voice in live performance than Diana did--and I was a big Diana fan.

purplethunder3121 said:

MickyDolenz said:

The thing is that hardly anybody knew what the groups looked like or what the members names were. They were just voices heard on the radio, or a 45 single. That's why some groups were able to change members and nobody knew the difference. It also made it easy for fake groups to tour and make money (well at least the managers and promoters who put the imposter groups together made money). This even happened when the groups were originally out.

Yeah, I remember when Diana tried to tour with the "New Supremes" and it was a disaster. The shame is when I saw Mary Wilson perform when Diana was at the top of the pop charts and I commented to people that she was a better singer than Diana, I was cussed at and villified (while people took a break in the bathroom from snorting coke through a straw!).

And you should have been

I understand why people tend to villify Diana. Berry focused more on the Supremes and eventually Diana than other Motown acts who were just as good and only Gladys Knight was better at Motown imo. Diana was just given the opportunity to shine and she took that and ran with it.