AlexdeParis said:

It's not shocking at all that Diana doesn't have a Grammy. Lots of even better artists don't and lots of much worse artists do. That being said...

BEYONCE HAS SIXTEEN GRAMMY AWARDS?!?!?! GTFO!!!

I was saying the same thing lol

And idk Diana may have a ''bad'' reputation, but people know Beyonce steals songwriting credits and she always talk's a big game. Pretending she is WAY more important then she really is...

As said before the only crown she will ever is a bruger king one

Gunsnhalen said:

AlexdeParis said:

It's not shocking at all that Diana doesn't have a Grammy. Lots of even better artists don't and lots of much worse artists do. That being said...

BEYONCE HAS SIXTEEN GRAMMY AWARDS?!?!?! GTFO!!!

I was saying the same thing lol

And idk Diana may have a ''bad'' reputation, but people know Beyonce steals songwriting credits and she always talk's a big game. Pretending she is WAY more important then she really is...

As said before the only crown she will ever is a bruger king one

I'm not taking sides here, but isn't Beyonce's dad on the Grammy Board, too? There ya' go!

mjscarousal said:

NaQu said:

What does Beyonce's Grammy count have to do with Diana's lack of one?

Diana has a *horrible* reputation in the industry for being uber-pretentious, difficult and demanding. When you take into consideration that Grammy's are voted on by a committee of music industry insiders, it's no surprise that she's been snubbed -- if she, perhaps, rubbed some of them the wrong way at some point.

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You ALWAYS for some reason seem to defend Beyonce on counts where it is obvious alot of her success is very fixed and filled with politics. I mean seriously... for crying out loud .. YES Beyonce Grammys count has alot to do with legendary artists such as Diana and countless others who exactly has put out classic material, music but yet an artist like Beyonce hasnt done that and makes terrible music, yes that has to do with alot of things and sadly shows how much this music industry is fucked up.

Now, personally I dont think Diana deserved alot solo wise but with THE SUPREMES oh yea they definitly deserve alot more that Beyonce as well as Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc unless you honestly feel Beyonce deserve more grammys than Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc when she makes shit music than by all means continue to do your bitchin and ranting on how much someone is always bashing Beyonce. watever

The Grammys are a joke. Award shows are a joke for that matter and it seems some artists find validation from the Grammys because it is looked at as the Oscars for music but it means shit and it is shit. FUCK the grammys, FUCK BET, FUCK MTV, FUCK AMA's, FUCK Billboard.. FUCK ALL those dumb award shows.

Blah-blah-blah...and you're full of shit. You're always coming up behind the mention of her name with something sanctimonious, snide and/or unnecessary to say. I wasn't "defending" Beyonce, I simply asked what Beyonce's 16 Grammy's had to do with Diana's not having one. How the hell was that "defending" her? It wasn't. I don't give a fuck why Beyonce has as many Grammy's as she does...but whatever the reason is, it has nothing to do with why Diana doesn't have any; therefore her being brought up in conjunction to it was futile, and just another way to take an arrogant potshot at her, like you and a few other people here get off on doing ad nauseum. Seriously, acting like she kicked your damn dog....laughed in your face when you asked for an autograph....or had her bodyguard throw you upside the wall. The habitual snide levied at her here by some of you is OTT, ridiculous and tired.

Now I'm defending her.

If your attitude is Fuck the Grammy's, fuck awards, fuck MTV, fuck BET, fuck the month of March, fuck the letter 'K,' etc., etc....then what the hell difference does it make to you anyway who Beyonce has more Grammy's than? You go off on a tangent saying this person and that person should have more Grammy's than her, then you say Fuck the Grammy's, call them a joke and say they don't mean shit. Um, what?!

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Paris9748430 said:

Diana had a lot more competition than Beyonce does today.

I don't think there were a lot of R&B categories back then like there are today.

Why has Prince won just about as many Grammys this past decade than he has the 1st 20 years of his career?

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Exactly he won a grammy for FUTURE BABY MAMA, i nominated that song for worst Prince Song in History with JUGHEAD and he won for that crap. But beyonce having 16 is no shock, Elton John lost best new artist to Taste Of Honey, The Beatles won 75% of their grammies 4 of their 6, for the Anthology packaging and production

sosgemini said:

Cause the Grammy's are a joke now:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

TonyVanDam said:

sosgemini said:

Cause the Grammy's are a joke now:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

well at least that category was swamped with actual good albums overall that were even in the "mainstream" now albums that win no one has even heard of have the time, showing the seperation and the tunnel vision that the radio stations and video stations have

TonyVanDam said:

sosgemini said:

Cause the Grammy's are a joke now:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

Actually, that makes sense to me. I can understand the Joshua Tree winning over Bad, which frankly I think is a mediocre record. Sign 'O' The Times is one of my favorite albums ever and I like it better than the Joshua Tree, but I can see why it won over it.

The Joshua Tree winning over Sign 'O' The Times and Bad makes a lot more sense than Can't Slow Me Down winning over Purple Rain, Private Dancer, She's So Unusal, and Born in the U.S.A.

lastdecember said:

Paris9748430 said:

Diana had a lot more competition than Beyonce does today.

I don't think there were a lot of R&B categories back then like there are today.

Why has Prince won just about as many Grammys this past decade than he has the 1st 20 years of his career?

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Exactly he won a grammy for FUTURE BABY MAMA, i nominated that song for worst Prince Song in History with JUGHEAD and he won for that crap. But beyonce having 16 is no shock, Elton John lost best new artist to Taste Of Honey, The Beatles won 75% of their grammies 4 of their 6, for the Anthology packaging and production

A Taste of Honey didn't beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, the Carpenters did. A Taste of Honey beat out Elvis Costello and The Cars.

Paris9748430 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

Actually, that makes sense to me. I can understand the Joshua Tree winning over Bad, which frankly I think is a mediocre record. Sign 'O' The Times is one of my favorite albums ever and I like it better than the Joshua Tree, but I can see why it won over it.

The Joshua Tree winning over Sign 'O' The Times and Bad makes a lot more sense than Can't Slow Me Down winning over Purple Rain, Private Dancer, She's So Unusal, and Born in the U.S.A.

i thought i was the only one that thought that about Bad. Honestly i think after Thriller, MJ's albums weren't as good any more...i have Bad and i think i have Dangerous as well... i've only listened to them all the way through maybe 3 times. hell i don't even know where those cds are and i don't even miss them. lol.

On The Joshua Tree though... its a great album. Better that a good album wins than an album thats just awful all around.

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Paris9748430 said:

lastdecember said:

Exactly he won a grammy for FUTURE BABY MAMA, i nominated that song for worst Prince Song in History with JUGHEAD and he won for that crap. But beyonce having 16 is no shock, Elton John lost best new artist to Taste Of Honey, The Beatles won 75% of their grammies 4 of their 6, for the Anthology packaging and production

A Taste of Honey didn't beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, the Carpenters did. A Taste of Honey beat out Elvis Costello and The Cars.

oh, well the fact they were nominated with him was pretty scary, but got to say, i like the carpenters but to beat elton john? hmmm his wins are very few and far between, considering all the records charted

lastdecember said:

Paris9748430 said:

A Taste of Honey didn't beat out Elton John for Best New Artist, the Carpenters did. A Taste of Honey beat out Elvis Costello and The Cars.

oh, well the fact they were nominated with him was pretty scary, but got to say, i like the carpenters but to beat elton john? hmmm his wins are very few and far between, considering all the records charted

Best New Artist Grammy has always been infamous for being a sketchy award.

People like Paula Cole and her hairy armpits winning over Erykah Badu and Fiona Apple.

Milli Vanilli winning.

Maroon 5 winning over Kanye West.

I can go on and on.

NaQu said:

mjscarousal said:

You ALWAYS for some reason seem to defend Beyonce on counts where it is obvious alot of her success is very fixed and filled with politics. I mean seriously... for crying out loud .. YES Beyonce Grammys count has alot to do with legendary artists such as Diana and countless others who exactly has put out classic material, music but yet an artist like Beyonce hasnt done that and makes terrible music, yes that has to do with alot of things and sadly shows how much this music industry is fucked up.

Now, personally I dont think Diana deserved alot solo wise but with THE SUPREMES oh yea they definitly deserve alot more that Beyonce as well as Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc unless you honestly feel Beyonce deserve more grammys than Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc when she makes shit music than by all means continue to do your bitchin and ranting on how much someone is always bashing Beyonce. watever

The Grammys are a joke. Award shows are a joke for that matter and it seems some artists find validation from the Grammys because it is looked at as the Oscars for music but it means shit and it is shit. FUCK the grammys, FUCK BET, FUCK MTV, FUCK AMA's, FUCK Billboard.. FUCK ALL those dumb award shows.

Blah-blah-blah...and you're full of shit. You're always coming up behind the mention of her name with something sanctimonious, snide and/or unnecessary to say. I wasn't "defending" Beyonce, I simply asked what Beyonce's 16 Grammy's had to do with Diana's not having one. How the hell was that "defending" her? It wasn't. I don't give a fuck why Beyonce has as many Grammy's as she does...but whatever the reason is, it has nothing to do with why Diana doesn't have any; therefore her being brought up in conjunction to it was futile, and just another way to take an arrogant potshot at her, like you and a few other people here get off on doing ad nauseum. Seriously, acting like she kicked your damn dog....laughed in your face when you asked for an autograph....or had her bodyguard throw you upside the wall. The habitual snide levied at her here by some of you is OTT, ridiculous and tired.

Now I'm defending her.

If your attitude is Fuck the Grammy's, fuck awards, fuck MTV, fuck BET, fuck the month of March, fuck the letter 'K,' etc., etc....then what the hell difference does it make to you anyway who Beyonce has more Grammy's than? You go off on a tangent saying this person and that person should have more Grammy's than her, then you say Fuck the Grammy's, call them a joke and say they don't mean shit. Um, what?!

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Blah and Blah and you can kiss my black ass. Ill reply in ANY thread I see fit because this is a MUSIC MESSAGE BOARD. Nothing is off limits. This goes for ANYBODY who wants to contribute to anything on this board. I didnt reply to you to bash but to get to your non open minded brain why some folks made some of the responces in this thread since you see things in black and white when it comes to Beyonce like someone is out to bring her down or bash her.

Yall Prince fans are the BIGGEST fucking hyprocrites ever because yall go on other stans and other people who give their opinion or objective opinion as if their apeshit insane but then when someone bashes Prince yall go crazy and bitch at other people for either stanning or for having their opinion.

No you DO for some odd reason defend or take up for Beyonce like EVERY responce in that discussion was flat out disrespectful or a diss. I dont care if your a fan or not. HOWEVER, I just find it odd that EVERYTIME someone has anything objective to say it doesnt even have to be a smart ass crack but real objective fact on HER you go on ranting like someone is bashing her like she is the virgin Mary as if you didnt care to read any of the thoughtful intelligent responces or the OVERALL POINT for starters There are WAYYYY more artists on this forum that get a hell of alot of disrespect more than Beyonce AND for some reaosn I dont see no stones throw at that BUT ANY time any mention of Beyonce is brought up and the slightest critcism is made ... here come the folks that are quick to say someone is bashing her... smh

I dont see NOTHING said about the cruel things said about Whitney,

I dont see NOTHING said at the cracks on Michael and then when the MJ fans whine their labeled as lunatics...

Every one constantly bashes Lauryn hill etc

Where is the riduculous and tiredness in those constantly immature mean comments????

But the SMALLEST SHIT on Beyonce .... it seems the WHOLE world is coming to an end and everyone is out to get this woman... thats bullshit.

.... So far most of the comments in this thread is not a bash or hateful comment towards Beyonce. Its TRUE that the Grammys arent fair. Its TRUE that awards arent how they use to be. It is also TRUE that most of her grammy awards she doesnt deserve and base on the prestige of the grammy well the recognition IT ONCE had more groundbreaking artists who put out classic or good music are more deserving. It is a joke now because its obvious artists get awards based on popularity and not on artistic merit. But this goes for MOST of the pop artists now NOT JUST Beyonce. Beyonce is being compared to another legendary artist who has less grammys SO NATURALLY some of the responces are going to be directed at her and what she has or has not done to deserve a grammy. However, the overall point questions the shady politicalness of how grammys are given out today. A good portion of the responces in here are NOT even on Beyonce which is why I orginally challenged your responce LOL

How is that being snide or mean towards Beyonce? Dont bother to answer because youll find something Im sure negative in it Based on this stuck up responce I see you didnt really bother to read mine and I was tryna aim for a real discussion but thats fine.

You can continue to make your future hyprocritical biased responces like you DONT do them because their beyond funny, also missing entire arguements JUST because Beyonce was mention, acting like you dont stan and that your opinion at times doesnt holds biased shit and that every person that makes an opinion is not allowed to have one EVEN if it IS negative on a MUSIC message board

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TonyVanDam said:

sosgemini said:

Cause the Grammy's are a joke now:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

The Joshua Tree was galaxies deeper, and had better musician then Bad. And Joshua Tree & SOTT are about on par so either or winning

Paris9748430 said:

I don't think there were a lot of R&B categories back then like there are today.

Exactly, the categories were different, there were fewer pop categories in general

But also the performers were different. Back then Frank Sinatra was winning for Pop along with other less than cutting edge performers. Take a look at the winners from 1966. It's interesting, but you can see times were different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...mmy_Awards

There was only one R&B category, but James Brown won it, and I can't argue with that.

The Grammy's still gives awards to old legends, but it has weighted the emphasis on the here and now much more than it used to, because it translates into better red carpets & more $$$

lastdecember said:

Elton John lost best new artist to Taste Of Honey

Are you sure about this? A Taste Of Honey came out in 1978, so how was Elton a new artist when his first album came out in 1969 or 1970?

NaQu said:

mjscarousal said:

You ALWAYS for some reason seem to defend Beyonce on counts where it is obvious alot of her success is very fixed and filled with politics. I mean seriously... for crying out loud .. YES Beyonce Grammys count has alot to do with legendary artists such as Diana and countless others who exactly has put out classic material, music but yet an artist like Beyonce hasnt done that and makes terrible music, yes that has to do with alot of things and sadly shows how much this music industry is fucked up.

Now, personally I dont think Diana deserved alot solo wise but with THE SUPREMES oh yea they definitly deserve alot more that Beyonce as well as Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc unless you honestly feel Beyonce deserve more grammys than Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, James Brown, Sam Cooke etc when she makes shit music than by all means continue to do your bitchin and ranting on how much someone is always bashing Beyonce. watever

The Grammys are a joke. Award shows are a joke for that matter and it seems some artists find validation from the Grammys because it is looked at as the Oscars for music but it means shit and it is shit. FUCK the grammys, FUCK BET, FUCK MTV, FUCK AMA's, FUCK Billboard.. FUCK ALL those dumb award shows.

Blah-blah-blah...and you're full of shit. You're always coming up behind the mention of her name with something sanctimonious, snide and/or unnecessary to say. I wasn't "defending" Beyonce, I simply asked what Beyonce's 16 Grammy's had to do with Diana's not having one. How the hell was that "defending" her? It wasn't. I don't give a fuck why Beyonce has as many Grammy's as she does...but whatever the reason is, it has nothing to do with why Diana doesn't have any; therefore her being brought up in conjunction to it was futile, and just another way to take an arrogant potshot at her, like you and a few other people here get off on doing ad nauseum. Seriously, acting like she kicked your damn dog....laughed in your face when you asked for an autograph....or had her bodyguard throw you upside the wall. The habitual snide levied at her here by some of you is OTT, ridiculous and tired.

Now I'm defending her.

If your attitude is Fuck the Grammy's, fuck awards, fuck MTV, fuck BET, fuck the month of March, fuck the letter 'K,' etc., etc....then what the hell difference does it make to you anyway who Beyonce has more Grammy's than? You go off on a tangent saying this person and that person should have more Grammy's than her, then you say Fuck the Grammy's, call them a joke and say they don't mean shit. Um, what?!

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I felt your frustrations, some people* just freak out over the littlest things.

No as for the topic at hand Beyonce has won Grammys as a solo artist for the following:

Best R&B song (Twice)

Best Rap/sung Collaboration

Best R&B vocal performance (Twice)

Best Contemporary R&B Album (Three times)

Best R&B group vocals (Twice)

Song Of The Year

Best Female Pop vocal performance

Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance

Not all of the awards she won are exactly big ones, to put it in perspective would you expect her to lose most of these?

*Throwing shade

Timmy84 said:

Different era, bad timing, Berry Gordy...

That's the only three reasons I can count for why Diana never received one.

Oh and a fourth one:

She had a lot of competition: Aretha on the R&B side, Barbra on the pop side, etc.

I love u.

Layzie said:

IDRAG4MJ said:

Why has she been snubbed like this ..has an amazing catelogue of music ..both solo and with the supremes..the first real black female supersar some would argue that she has been as or more influential to the world of music than aretha..but yet gets now love from the grammy board..why is this??

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Yep

TonyVanDam said:

sosgemini said:

Cause the Grammy's are a joke now:

Now?!? The Grammy Award shows has always been a freaking joke.

Even til this very f***ing day, I can NOT believe that U2's The Joshua Tree won over Michael's Bad & Prince's Sign 'O' The Times. What kind of bullshit was that?!?

Honestly, it should've won over "Bad". "Sign O the Times" though, yeah - that would've been a fair fight.

johnart said:

Timmy84 said:

Different era, bad timing, Berry Gordy...

That's the only three reasons I can count for why Diana never received one.

Oh and a fourth one:

She had a lot of competition: Aretha on the R&B side, Barbra on the pop side, etc.

I love u.

Love ya back.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

Elton John lost best new artist to Taste Of Honey

Are you sure about this? A Taste Of Honey came out in 1978, so how was Elton a new artist when his first album came out in 1969 or 1970?

Yeah,there is no way that Elton John could have been nominated for Best New Artist in 1978 He was already an established artist by that time.

That in and of itself is the reason enough to round up the whole lot of NARAS members and have them strung up by their ankles. Knowles has 16 Grammys for what?

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

Are you sure about this? A Taste Of Honey came out in 1978, so how was Elton a new artist when his first album came out in 1969 or 1970?

Yeah,there is no way that Elton John could have been nominated for Best New Artist in 1978 He was already an established artist by that time.

Damn, caught lastdecember's butt!

A Taste of Honey was nominated in (and won) in 1978. Elton was nominated in 1970 (and lost).

Ottensen said:

That in and of itself is the reason enough to round up the whole lot of NARAS members and have them strung up by their ankles. Knowles has 16 Grammys for what?

Thank all the different R&B categories for the multiple wins and just giving her an award because they felt like it.

something is really wrong, Beyonce does not deserve 16 grammys.

and Diana Ross' "Upside Down" is a disco classic, this song deserved a grammy imo.

thedance said:

something is really wrong, Beyonce does not deserve 16 grammys.

Something is really wrong,indeed.Prince has won only 7 Grammys.There is no way in hell that Beyonce's disposable music deserves 16 Grammys!

Grammy

they were already corrupted back in the days now they are a complete joke....major record companies buy the nominations for their artist and a system like that is already wrong in my visions...

If I was an artist I' d do like the Tool band when they win a Grammy but they didn't attend the ceremony saying this:

"the Grammys are nothing more than some gigantic promotional machine for the music industry. They cater to a low intellect and they feed the masses. They don't honor the arts or the artist for what he created. It's the music business celebrating itself. That's basically what it's all about."

I agree on every word...

Beyonce deserves a Grammy WAY more than Diana Ross.

Diana Ross is a very weak singer and has never come across as likeable. Beyonce's far more charismatic and you can't fault her vocals. Gorgeous too.

Mong said:

Beyonce deserves a Grammy WAY more than Diana Ross.

Diana Ross is a very weak singer and has never come across as likeable. Beyonce's far more charismatic and you can't fault her vocals. Gorgeous too.

Funny, when I think of Beyonce, I think "cold, caculated, and robotic" more than "charismatic."

I'll give you gorgeous, though.

I'd also say that Diana's charisma was one of her biggest intangible assets in her rise to fame.