This is a healthy debate? Wasn't Michael raising them ENOUGH? JFC... and Jermaine is an idiot.

Not even sure why we are trying to bring mj's kids into it. Even if I don't agree with other fans, I don't bombard them with anything anymore. I just have a problem with statements like "they don't look african american" said about ANYONE in general, just cause "they look white" in this day and age. It just makes fans look like DUMBASSES in the everyday world.

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So answer me this: Why don't we know if these are really MJ's children? How come after all these years we still don't really know. Just that fact alone tells me something isn't right.

alphastreet said:

Not even sure why we are trying to bring mj's kids into it. Even if I don't agree with other fans, I don't bombard them with anything anymore. I just have a problem with statements like "they don't look african american" said about ANYONE in general, just cause "they look white" in this day and age. It just makes fans look like DUMBASSES in the everyday world.

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Yeah, and why are people still saying "African American". It was BLACK last time I checked. But yeah...MOVING ON!

Fuck y'all, I'm going to jam to Michael's music, some of y'all bore me with this stupid debate (sorry but it is to me):

Pitched lower (and tempo higher) to block YouTube cockblockage.

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Timmy84 said:

alphastreet said:

Not even sure why we are trying to bring mj's kids into it. Even if I don't agree with other fans, I don't bombard them with anything anymore. I just have a problem with statements like "they don't look african american" said about ANYONE in general, just cause "they look white" in this day and age. It just makes fans look like DUMBASSES in the everyday world.

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Yeah, and why are people still saying "African American". It was BLACK last time I checked. But yeah...MOVING ON!

yeah I agree Timmy, but it doesn't surprise me coming from someone who is simpleminded anyways in how they come off

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Can you please help a simpleminded person like myself and explain to me why after all of these years nobody really knows if these are Michael Jackson's biological children?

Derek1984 said:

So answer me this: Why don't we know if these are really MJ's children? How come after all these years we still don't really know. Just that fact alone tells me something isn't right.

So, what exactly do you mean by that t? Someone to distribute to the media proofs like DNA test or whatever just to prove that the kids are MJ's? Are you serious? And why is it so important to you if those kids are biologically his or not? Would that make you sympathise them more or less? I don't understand this obsession with people on the matter of his kids.

Here is something for you. Michael is the father of those kids because he raised them, feed them, clothed them and judging from Paris tears and words in his memorial, loved them with all his heard.That makes a real father and parent and not the DNA connection.

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Derek1984 said:

Can you please help a simpleminded person like myself and explain to me why after all of these years nobody really knows if these are Michael Jackson's biological children?

I never thought it mattered. Whether they are or not his biological children, it's not really the public's business. To those kids, Michael Jackson is their father and that's what matters. How would it be proven without the kids' worlds being more shaken up? A DNA test taken then possibly leaked to the world, then again there are people on Twitter taunting Paris saying she's adopted and that she's not really a Jackson, so I'm sure they know about the speculation by now

Living here in California, I've seen so many biracial children so that's why I see the possibility. I've seen kids with black and white parents and the kid would have a dark complexion and hair just like mine and I've seen kids with the same mix who are pale with straight sandy brown/blonde hair. Kids who black/asian, black/white, black/indian, white/indian, white/asian, white/latino, asian/latino.....you name it, I've seen it

crazymouse said:

Derek1984 said:

So answer me this: Why don't we know if these are really MJ's children? How come after all these years we still don't really know. Just that fact alone tells me something isn't right.

So, what exactly do you mean by that t? Someone to distribute to the media proofs like DNA test or whatever just to prove that the kids are MJ's? Are you serious? And why is it so important to you if those kids are biologically his or not? Would that make you sympathise them more or less? I don't understand this obsession with people on the matter of his kids.

Here is something for you. Michael is the father of those kids because he raised them, feed them, clothed them and judging from Paris tears and words in his memorial, loved them with all his heard.That makes a real father and parent and not the DNA connection.

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I am not questioning how Michael was as a father to these kids. I just don't understand how some people can think that he is their biological father, that's all. If he was, I would expect more physical similarities and just the normal idea that we know he is their biological father. The reality is, we don't we really know that he is. And I find that fact odd.

I am just expressing my opinion that Michael Jackson is not the biological father. My intentions were not to start a big debate. I also didn't mean to offend anybody either. To be honest, nobody really knows the truth about this situation and is it a big deal?, no.

Derek1984 said:

So answer me this: Why don't we know if these are really MJ's children? How come after all these years we still don't really know. Just that fact alone tells me something isn't right.

What the hell are you talking about? How do you know other's people's kids are really theirs? I didn't know proving by DNA tests was a way to prove to the public your kids are yours.

Another thing is if you can clearly see that they look like Debbie, how can you expect them to look like MJ? Do Mike and Debbie look like twins?

And to whoever said that Mike's genes are dominant, how the hell do you know that? Have you ever analized MJ's and Debbie's genes under the microscope to say whose genes are stronger?

And people still ask why racism still exists? Jesus...

Derek1984 said:

crazymouse said:

So, what exactly do you mean by that t? Someone to distribute to the media proofs like DNA test or whatever just to prove that the kids are MJ's? Are you serious? And why is it so important to you if those kids are biologically his or not? Would that make you sympathise them more or less? I don't understand this obsession with people on the matter of his kids.

Here is something for you. Michael is the father of those kids because he raised them, feed them, clothed them and judging from Paris tears and words in his memorial, loved them with all his heard.That makes a real father and parent and not the DNA connection.

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I am not questioning how Michael was as a father to these kids. I just don't understand how some people can think that he is their biological father, that's all. If he was, I would expect more physical similarities and just the normal idea that we know he is their biological father. The reality is, we don't we really know that he is. And I find that fact odd.

I am just expressing my opinion that Michael Jackson is not the biological father. My intentions were not to start a big debate. I also didn't mean to offend anybody either. To be honest, nobody really knows the truth about this situation and is it a big deal?, no.

Although I disagree with it, I respect your opinion (which is rare on these forums ) and I understand why you feel that way

Thank you bboy87.

Timmy, how am I being racist? You guys are totally over reacting here. Did you know Michael Jackson personally? It sure comes across this way with how overly emotional some of the responses have been towards me. I simply stated I don't see much physical resemblence (one example being they are not black) in the kids to MJ and this is being racist?

Look, I am a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music. I guess when it comes to talking about his personal life you just can't do that with other fans. There's a fine line especially when you don't share the same opinions.

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Derek, I've already said it a few times. I don't have a problem with your opinions about michael jackson's children, cause I have mine too. I just have an issue with assuming someone is white because "they look it" when they are not completely. They could not be his and still be mixed you know. That is racist. You could be talking about Quincy Jones or Mariah Carey's children like that and it would still be racism.

Just read that Jermaine article Poor Michael....

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We come in all shapes and colors. That's why I was offended, Derek. That's why it sounded racist to me. Plus, my brother is "black" but had blond hair as a baby, so did my mother (and my mother was VERY light) so like I said that's just you assuming things and trying to rile up people. That's why I got offended.

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alphastreet said:

Derek, I've already said it a few times. I don't have a problem with your opinions about michael jackson's children, cause I have mine too. I just have an issue with assuming someone is white because "they look it" when they are not completely. They could not be his and still be mixed you know. That is racist. You could be talking about Quincy Jones or Mariah Carey's children like that and it would still be racism.

Just read that Jermaine article Poor Michael....

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Jermaine was never a "brother" anyways.

LOL timmy, I was just about to say, yes he is a brother but I hear you. I know he loved Michael, but just had a very odd way of expressing it all.

Derek1984 said:

crazymouse said:

So, what exactly do you mean by that t? Someone to distribute to the media proofs like DNA test or whatever just to prove that the kids are MJ's? Are you serious? And why is it so important to you if those kids are biologically his or not? Would that make you sympathise them more or less? I don't understand this obsession with people on the matter of his kids.

Here is something for you. Michael is the father of those kids because he raised them, feed them, clothed them and judging from Paris tears and words in his memorial, loved them with all his heard.That makes a real father and parent and not the DNA connection.

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I am not questioning how Michael was as a father to these kids. I just don't understand how some people can think that he is their biological father, that's all.

Why people should think the otherway? Please do ellaborate? Or is it because of their skin collor.

So do you think every mixed race kid is black? If so you obviously don't know how genetic work.

If he was, I would expect more physical similarities and just the normal idea that we know he is their biological father.

Really? Why is that? Does Quincy Jones daugher has Quincy's charateristics? Does Wentworth Miller has his father caratteristics (his father is black by the way). Again, i think you have very limited knowleg on how genetic works. Not every kid has charateristics of their parents.

The reality is, we don't we really know that he is. And I find that fact odd.

Yes, we don't know. They may be biological his, they may be not. The possiblities are equal but i find it strange that you expect to know about it, like it was MJ dutty to make everything concerning his private life, pubblic. He didn't want people to know anything about his kids and that was his right. That it not strange or odd, that it the normal thing to do. What i find odd is people expecting to know everything about other people's life.

(Edit the rest of the post.)

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alphastreet said:

LOL timmy, I was just about to say, yes he is a brother but I hear you. I know he loved Michael, but just had a very odd way of expressing it all.

Yeah it just seems to me he didn't show he WAS a brother. But then again, most families don't do what they're supposed to do so they're not any different from MY family.

and then by the time they realize, it was too late

reading about michael crying and all that to katherine just broke my heart

Derek1984 said:

Look, I am a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music. I guess when it comes to talking about his personal life you just can't do that with other fans. There's a fine line especially when you don't share the same opinions.

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Yes, this is how I have positioned myself, I'm a fan of music.
I do not know how people always say they love Michael .. blah ... blah.
He - the most mysterious figure in the history of music.
Nobody knows what his real voice? why he made dozens of operations? Is it biological children? what sexual orientation he was? whether he was a naive child, or a cunning manipulator? etc.
Lord, I am not even sure he really died.

MJ is interesting to me and I respect him as a great artist, but I can not say that I love him, because MJ frighteningly unreal (appearance, voice, behavior). It's just a myth!

I think a lot of people feel like that about him, but are afraid to admit they love him anyways "cause he's a myth" and that can be a reflection of themselves, though also an interesting way of looking at it. As for me, I just follow the facts and see him as human though after he passed and I couldn't shake off the feeling that he was no longer living among us and I would never see him in person that I wondered if he was even real, cause I don't want to forget the way it felt as a fan before his death and let other things and after the death overshadow that cause of being too painful to revisit.

Is anyone planning on buying Jermaine's book? I wont be buying it. Several websites have posted excerpts from his book. ABC News has another excerpt you can read:

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=14502275

And he's supposed to be on Niteline tonight.

LiLi1992 said:

Derek1984 said:

Look, I am a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music. I guess when it comes to talking about his personal life you just can't do that with other fans. There's a fine line especially when you don't share the same opinions.

[Edited 9/13/11 9:32am]

Yes, this is how I have positioned myself, I'm a fan of music.
I do not know how people always say they love Michael .. blah ... blah.
He - the most mysterious figure in the history of music.
Nobody knows what his real voice? why he made dozens of operations? Is it biological children? what sexual orientation he was? whether he was a naive child, or a cunning manipulator? etc.
Lord, I am not even sure he really died.

MJ is interesting to me and I respect him as a great artist, but I can not say that I love him, because MJ frighteningly unreal (appearance, voice, behavior). It's just a myth!

Many fans grew up watching him and that admiration went beyond his music. Not only did he make music that people loved, but he had a good heart and seemed to genuinely care about his fans

I can't really describe it (I've never had a way with words ), maybe alphastreet or Militant can do it better than me on explaining why fans loved Michael not just as an artist, but as a person

NaughtyKitty said:

Is anyone planning on buying Jermaine's book? I wont be buying it. Several websites have posted excerpts from his book. ABC News has another excerpt you can read:

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=14502275

And he's supposed to be on Niteline tonight.

Apparently parts of the book got leaked and Michael Bearden is fuming mad over allegations that he knew Michael was sick or something to that degree.

NaughtyKitty said:

Is anyone planning on buying Jermaine's book? I wont be buying it. Several websites have posted excerpts from his book. ABC News has another excerpt you can read:

http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...d=14502275

And he's supposed to be on Niteline tonight.

I read that excerpt from above and I want to read it, but I'm not willing to buy it yet.....

That's $20, you know how many bottles of hair grease that can buy?!

bboy87 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Yes, this is how I have positioned myself, I'm a fan of music.
I do not know how people always say they love Michael .. blah ... blah.
He - the most mysterious figure in the history of music.
Nobody knows what his real voice? why he made dozens of operations? Is it biological children? what sexual orientation he was? whether he was a naive child, or a cunning manipulator? etc.
Lord, I am not even sure he really died.

MJ is interesting to me and I respect him as a great artist, but I can not say that I love him, because MJ frighteningly unreal (appearance, voice, behavior). It's just a myth!

Many fans grew up watching him and that admiration went beyond his music. Not only did he make music that people loved, but he had a good heart and seemed to genuinely care about his fans

I can't really describe it (I've never had a way with words ), maybe alphastreet or Militant can do it better than me on explaining why fans loved Michael not just as an artist, but as a person

I'm in the same realm as some others. I can't just love Michael as a musician. Yes, I love him for the music first, but there's other parts of the man that I loved also. I mean to me he always felt like a lost cousin. I know we could've hung out. I definitely wanted to go to Neverland as a kid.