This is a interesting article: http://www.dherbs.com/art...n-475.html

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The entire US entertainment industry had mob ties back then.

MickyDolenz said:

The entire US entertainment industry had mob ties back then.

.........despite tha Berry Gordy denies that it applied to Motown as well.

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

Was this before the Illuminati took over?

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afro75 said:

Was this before the Illuminati took over?

What does an ancient group from the 1700's have to to with anything today?

JoeBala said:

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

I didn't read the article, so I don't know what it says. But it has been long rumored that Marilyn Monroe was killed by either the mafia or the US government, and it has been said that Sam was a mob hit.

MickyDolenz said:

afro75 said:

Was this before the Illuminati took over?

What does an ancient group from the 1700's have to to with anything today?

Well, apparently the Illuminati now controls the entertainment industry, runs all the world governments, kicks puppies, never tips at restaurants, doesn't call Mama on her birthday, etc...according to that great bastion of journalism excellence, MediaTakeOut.com

At least mobsters call their Mamas,

JoeBala said:

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

TonyVanDam said:

JoeBala said:

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

Sam Cooke was murdered and rumors have persisted for years that he was set-up and killed by the mob.

laurarichardson said:

TonyVanDam said:

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

Sam Cooke was murdered and rumors have persisted for years that he was set-up and killed by the mob.

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

TonyVanDam said:

JoeBala said:

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

You are telling me that Sam Cooke was on such otherworldly shit that he ran into the hotel office wearing nothing but shoes and a jacket, feral, and attacked a woman? Come on, man.

Spinlight said:

TonyVanDam said:

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

You are telling me that Sam Cooke was on such otherworldly shit that he ran into the hotel office wearing nothing but shoes and a jacket, feral, and attacked a woman? Come on, man.

I have to refreshen up on the history of Sam Cooke and judge for myself. I must have miss a lot of details.

TonyVanDam said:

laurarichardson said:

Sam Cooke was murdered and rumors have persisted for years that he was set-up and killed by the mob.

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

Some of his family,friends and associates believe that mob wanted in on his record company. He was one of the only black artist at the time to have a record company and control over his publishing. If you do some reading about Sam Cooke nothing about his murder makes sense.

Dream Boogie is a really good book about Sam and "Hit Men" is about the mob's control over the music industry.

You should also check out Rick James's autobiograhpy he has a scary story about his encounter with the mob when he was signed to Motown.

Plenty of info about the mob and the entertainment world so nothing should surprise anyone

laurarichardson said:

TonyVanDam said:

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

Some of his family,friends and associates believe that mob wanted in on his record company. He was one of the only black artist at the time to have a record company and control over his publishing. If you do some reading about Sam Cooke nothing about his murder makes sense.

Dream Boogie is a really good book about Sam and "Hit Men" is about the mob's control over the music industry.

You should also check out Rick James's autobiograhpy he has a scary story about his encounter with the mob when he was signed to Motown.

Plenty of info about the mob and the entertainment world so nothing should surprise anyone

When Rick was a child, his mother used to run errants for the mob and got paid pretty well.

TonyVanDam said:

Spinlight said:

You are telling me that Sam Cooke was on such otherworldly shit that he ran into the hotel office wearing nothing but shoes and a jacket, feral, and attacked a woman? Come on, man.

I have to refreshen up on the history of Sam Cooke and judge for myself. I must have miss a lot of details.

The whole thing reaks of fuckery. If he was not assassinated, then it was a race crime covered up. They lured him to a hotel with a hooker, beat the shit out of him - nearly separating his head from his body and smashing his extremities, and shot him. Then removed all his damn clothes cept just enough to make him look berzerked. They robbed his ass of several Gs he had been carrying and the man's clothes. Messed up. That shit does not happen by accident, no way no how...

TonyVanDam said:

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

In a book about Frank Sinatra, it said that the mafia were going to beat up or kill Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1960's because he owed them money. But Frank talked them out of it. Sammy worked off the dept. It's no secret the mafia ran Las Vegas (and clubs in New York like The Cotton Club) and you couldn't get a gig there without going through them. It also said that Frank helped B.B. King a gig in Vegas. Brunswick Records (Jackie Wilson, Chi-Lites) was openly mob ran.

As far as Sam Cooke goes, the girl he went to the hotel with was a prostitute who was also said to be a girlfriend of a mafia guy. I was reading an article about Solomon Burke in a recent magazine (I think Wax Poetics). In it, Solomon says he was with Sam the night he died at a nightclub. He doesn't mention any details, but he said he was writing an autobiography and was going to talk a little about it. Since Solomon has passed I don't know if the book was finished.

Damn, Sammy Davis stayed pissing off the mob, didn't he? If it wasn't the infamous "eye injury" over Kim Novak, then its about money

And yes, the mob was running amok, I don't know how folks would be naive enough to think that its a conspiracy theory? C'mon now, as BLATANT as that practice was? lol

Its a wonder how famous black musicians survived and still maintained a straight face back then, and its taken for granted these days, those people paid some hard heavy dues.

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

In a book about Frank Sinatra, it said that the mafia were going to beat up or kill Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1960's because he owed them money. But Frank talked them out of it. Sammy worked off the dept. It's no secret the mafia ran Las Vegas (and clubs in New York like The Cotton Club) and you couldn't get a gig there without going through them. It also said that Frank helped B.B. King a gig in Vegas. Brunswick Records (Jackie Wilson, Chi-Lites) was openly mob ran.

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

But what the hell had Sam Cooke ever done that made him marked for death by the mob or whoever else?

In a book about Frank Sinatra, it said that the mafia were going to beat up or kill Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1960's because he owed them money. But Frank talked them out of it. Sammy worked off the dept. It's no secret the mafia ran Las Vegas (and clubs in New York like The Cotton Club) and you couldn't get a gig there without going through them. It also said that Frank helped B.B. King a gig in Vegas. Brunswick Records (Jackie Wilson, Chi-Lites) was openly mob ran.

As far as Sam Cooke goes, the girl he went to the hotel with was a prostitute who was also said to be a girlfriend of a mafia guy. I was reading an article about Solomon Burke in a recent magazine (I think Wax Poetics). In it, Solomon says he was with Sam the night he died at a nightclub. He doesn't mention any details, but he said he was writing an autobiography and was going to talk a little about it. Since Solomon has passed I don't know if the book was finished.

The Mob went after Sugar Ray Robinson. They asked him to throw a magtch, but he didn't do it. They respected im so much, that they let him be.

Harlepolis said:

Damn, Sammy Davis stayed pissing off the mob, didn't he? If it wasn't the infamous "eye injury" over Kim Novak, then its about money

And yes, the mob was running amok, I don't know how folks would be naive enough to think that its a conspiracy theory? C'mon now, as BLATANT as that practice was? lol

Its a wonder how famous black musicians survived and still maintained a straight face back then, and its taken for granted these days, those people paid some hard heavy dues.

MickyDolenz said:

In a book about Frank Sinatra, it said that the mafia were going to beat up or kill Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1960's because he owed them money. But Frank talked them out of it. Sammy worked off the dept. It's no secret the mafia ran Las Vegas (and clubs in New York like The Cotton Club) and you couldn't get a gig there without going through them. It also said that Frank helped B.B. King a gig in Vegas. Brunswick Records (Jackie Wilson, Chi-Lites) was openly mob ran.

I would say they had it pretty good, compared to their non-musician peers. Lotta musicians were either sympathetic or outwardly helpful to their fellow musicians no matter the race. It is sobering, though, to realize that that leniency was an option, not a rule and when the mob chose to remind the black musicians who was in charge - it was not fun or pretty.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

In a book about Frank Sinatra, it said that the mafia were going to beat up or kill Sammy Davis Jr. in the 1960's because he owed them money. But Frank talked them out of it. Sammy worked off the dept. It's no secret the mafia ran Las Vegas (and clubs in New York like The Cotton Club) and you couldn't get a gig there without going through them. It also said that Frank helped B.B. King a gig in Vegas. Brunswick Records (Jackie Wilson, Chi-Lites) was openly mob ran.

As far as Sam Cooke goes, the girl he went to the hotel with was a prostitute who was also said to be a girlfriend of a mafia guy. I was reading an article about Solomon Burke in a recent magazine (I think Wax Poetics). In it, Solomon says he was with Sam the night he died at a nightclub. He doesn't mention any details, but he said he was writing an autobiography and was going to talk a little about it. Since Solomon has passed I don't know if the book was finished.

The Mob went after Sugar Ray Robinson. They asked him to throw a magtch, but he didn't do it. They respected im so much, that they let him be.

The mob was also Sonny Liston's manager.

Harlepolis said:

Its a wonder how famous black musicians survived and still maintained a straight face back then, and its taken for granted these days, those people paid some hard heavy dues.

Not just black musicians, but Hollywood under the studio system too. Actors had no choice in what they appeared in. If they were told to appear in a film, they had to do it. It didn't matter if they actually liked the movie. There was also a lot of "casting couch" going on.

Spinlight said:

Harlepolis said:

Damn, Sammy Davis stayed pissing off the mob, didn't he? If it wasn't the infamous "eye injury" over Kim Novak, then its about money

And yes, the mob was running amok, I don't know how folks would be naive enough to think that its a conspiracy theory? C'mon now, as BLATANT as that practice was? lol

Its a wonder how famous black musicians survived and still maintained a straight face back then, and its taken for granted these days, those people paid some hard heavy dues.

I would say they had it pretty good, compared to their non-musician peers. Lotta musicians were either sympathetic or outwardly helpful to their fellow musicians no matter the race. It is sobering, though, to realize that that leniency was an option, not a rule and when the mob chose to remind the black musicians who was in charge - it was not fun or pretty.

Yeah, I'm sure it was real peachy to be controlled all over their natural lives, and their estate after they hit the ground all because of a "signature".

You're right though, there're many BRAVE musicians who extended their hands to black musicians, but the reality was, most of these black musicians were up against the wall and the many of them who wound up unlucky, were forgotten by so-called historians. So much for having it pretty good.

The upside of this scenario though is, younger black musicians should learn from their mistakes, and fortunately, many of them are nowadays.

MickyDolenz said:

Harlepolis said:

Its a wonder how famous black musicians survived and still maintained a straight face back then, and its taken for granted these days, those people paid some hard heavy dues.

Not just black musicians, but Hollywood under the studio system too. Actors had no choice in what they appeared in. If they were told to appear in a film, they had to do it. It didn't matter if they actually liked the movie. There was also a lot of "casting couch" going on.

Yep!

Judy Garland and Bette Davis quickly came to mind. Miss Davis was a trooper, she fought them solo, and won.

Harlepolis said:

MickyDolenz said:

Not just black musicians, but Hollywood under the studio system too. Actors had no choice in what they appeared in. If they were told to appear in a film, they had to do it. It didn't matter if they actually liked the movie. There was also a lot of "casting couch" going on.

Yep!

Judy Garland and Bette Davis quickly came to mind. Miss Davis was a trooper, she fought them solo, and won.

Bette Davis was one tough cookie.