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Reply #60 posted 08/21/11 3:44pm

vainandy

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WaterInYourBath said:

If he were still alive: With thanks to, I don't know, Tyler Perry, Rick would have become the film actor he should have always been. (If you've seen his small part in the movie Life, you should know what I'm talking about.)

I think he could have been a decent actor but it would be hard for him to get acting roles because the "I'm Rick James Bitch" phrase started overshadowing everything else. It became his "Whatchu talkin' bout Willis" or "Dynomite" and to this very day, every time his name is brought up, somebody ends up saying that phrase and it has even overshadowed his musical legacy with a lot of the general public. Older people started forgetting that he was a serious artist and younger people never knew it to begin with. He became known mostly for that phrase and I don't think too many movie studios would take him serious because of it. I think he probably got that cameo in "Life" due to Eddie Murphy who had worked with him previously in the 1980s.

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Reply #61 posted 08/26/11 2:08am

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I think that if Rick were still alive, he'd be doing alright for himself. I don't think he'd have great record sales, but I think he'd have at least another album released by now.

He'd also probably produce/collab with other artists. He would also be doing shows, so I think he would've been busy. But all of this is pending on whether or not he was healthy, his health was key to it all.

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Reply #62 posted 08/26/11 3:37am

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Timmy84 said:

Honestly he shouldn't have tried to make a comeback. Now that I think about it, he was pretty much RETIRED until 2003, 2004 when the Chappelle episode made him popular again. But he was out of shape and wasn't the same great performer of years past. sad

Precisely. Some folks should get out of the spotlight while they're kind of ahead.

Many were extremely happy when Sly resurfaced.
Are you still happy with him musically?

I'm guessing many will think that this was a great performance...



...I'm not one of them.


Talk about over-singing.



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Reply #63 posted 08/26/11 11:47am

KCOOLMUZIQ

theAudience said:

Timmy84 said:

Honestly he shouldn't have tried to make a comeback. Now that I think about it, he was pretty much RETIRED until 2003, 2004 when the Chappelle episode made him popular again. But he was out of shape and wasn't the same great performer of years past. sad

Precisely. Some folks should get out of the spotlight while they're kind of ahead.

Many were extremely happy when Sly resurfaced.
Are you still happy with him musically?

I'm guessing many will think that this was a great performance...



...I'm not one of them.


Talk about over-singing.



Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

As much as I liked them both. I have to admit that performamce was horrible. They both were off tune. Teena was way better. But it reminds me of the recent Cherrelle & Alexander O'neal performance on BEt one was not in good condition to ever do that. Same for the prior.

To tell U the truth I can't even watch this performance anymore. It is too heartbreaking. Who would guessed what would end up happening a few years later.... sad

[Edited 8/26/11 4:49am]

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Reply #64 posted 08/26/11 12:40pm

JoeTyler

He'd still be talking bullshit

and he'd be that hideous guy who plays SuperFreak in limited european/american tours...

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Reply #65 posted 08/26/11 2:13pm

HuMpThAnG

Probably still be jealous of Prince lol

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Reply #66 posted 08/26/11 5:02pm

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HuMpThAnG said:

Probably still be jealous of Prince lol

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And we wouldn't blame him.

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Reply #67 posted 08/26/11 5:19pm

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HotGritz said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Probably still be jealous of Prince lol

spit

And we wouldn't blame him.

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

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Reply #68 posted 08/26/11 6:01pm

Shango

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Timmy84 said:

Honestly he shouldn't have tried to make a comeback. Now that I think about it, he was pretty much RETIRED until 2003, 2004 when the Chappelle episode made him popular again. But he was out of shape and wasn't the same great performer of years past. sad

theAudience said:

Precisely. Some folks should get out of the spotlight while they're kind of ahead.

Many were extremely happy when Sly resurfaced.
Are you still happy with him musically?

I'm guessing many will think that this was a great performance...


...I'm not one of them.


Talk about over-singing.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

As much as I liked them both. I have to admit that performamce was horrible. They both were off tune. Teena was way better. But it reminds me of the recent Cherrelle & Alexander O'neal performance on BEt one was not in good condition to ever do that. Same for the prior.

To tell U the truth I can't even watch this performance anymore. It is too heartbreaking. Who would guessed what would end up happening a few years later.... sad


I can dig this, including the latin vibe mixed in towards the end.

Voice not as clear unfortunately, but the band is tight though, with 2 of his original background singers, JoJo McDuffie (Mary Jane Girls) and Lisa Sarna.

Also could recognise both Stone City Band's saxophonist Danny LeMelle and trumpet player LaMorris Payne on the mini-horn.

[Edited 8/26/11 11:06am]

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Reply #69 posted 08/26/11 6:30pm

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allsmutaside said:

HotGritz said:

spit

And we wouldn't blame him.

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

You mean Prince had more creative years than Rick? Well that's most certainly true.

I think if Rick had not messed his life and carreer up on drugs, he would have rivaled Prince in terms of quantity (putting out more music) and quality (at least with the funk/r&b type jams). I'm uncertain if Rick would have stayed in his genre or branched out and maybe given us some rock and pop jams but who knows. Perhaps a continued rivalry would have forced either of them to work harder at outdoing the other. I know one thing, that whole Prince vs. Michael argument would have had a new spin. lol

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Reply #70 posted 08/26/11 6:59pm

allsmutaside

HotGritz said:

allsmutaside said:

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

1) You mean Prince had more creative years than Rick? Well that's most certainly true.

I think if Rick had not messed his life and carreer up on drugs, he would have rivaled Prince in terms of quantity (putting out more music) and quality (at least with the funk/r&b type jams). I'm uncertain if Rick would have stayed in his genre or branched out and maybe given us some rock and pop jams but who knows. Perhaps a continued rivalry would have forced either of them to work harder at outdoing the other. 2) I know one thing, that whole Prince vs. Michael argument would have had a new spin. :lol:

1) Yes! 2) Yes, as well. I was always bored with that discussion. I don't care for the apples and oranges comparison to start with. And as you point out, that conversation - Prince vs. Michael was spun tighter than Joan River's face. And as a progression goes with regard to status quo threat level presented to the general U.S. population by these three, Rick was outcast from the long term conversation altogether. And then, as we know - "Cocaine is a helluva drug."

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Reply #71 posted 08/26/11 10:15pm

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If Rick James were still alive he would be a bitter nobody, performing during 'disco classics' parties, stuffing his small profits down his nose, and beating the crap out of women....

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Reply #72 posted 08/26/11 10:52pm

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If Rick James were still alive he would be a bitter nobody, performing during 'disco classics' parties, stuffing his small profits down his nose, and beating the crap out of women....

No, we're talking about Rick James. Rick knew about stacks; Rick did not know anything about "small profits." The incident that you refer to is clearly something that you don't know much about as you assign a plural quality to it, and suggest that this was a simply case of someone "beating the crap out of" another person. James Ambrose Johnson, Jr. created a bridge for disco to return to the fertile ground of r and b, soul and funk with his song "You and I." Rick tried being a "nobody," but the world called for his return time and again. "Pass The Joint," bitch.

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Reply #73 posted 08/27/11 1:56am

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allsmutaside said:

HotGritz said:

spit

And we wouldn't blame him.

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

It's weird you wrote this cause I like Prince's music better but Rick did seem alot more down to earth. I mean if I had to choose to hang out with one of them I would rather hang with Rick. Prince seems kind of stuck up but made great music. It sucks that In Rick's book he took ever chance he got to bad mouth Prince cause Prince really wasn't thinking about his black ass

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Reply #74 posted 08/27/11 2:41am

KCOOLMUZIQ

allsmutaside said:

HotGritz said:

spit

And we wouldn't blame him.

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

Anybody would be more fun that sniffed a ton of coke under the table. Prince was all about being disciplined. So think 4 urself.....

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #75 posted 08/27/11 4:23am

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theAudience said:

Timmy84 said:

Honestly he shouldn't have tried to make a comeback. Now that I think about it, he was pretty much RETIRED until 2003, 2004 when the Chappelle episode made him popular again. But he was out of shape and wasn't the same great performer of years past. sad

Precisely. Some folks should get out of the spotlight while they're kind of ahead.

Many were extremely happy when Sly resurfaced.
Are you still happy with him musically?

I'm guessing many will think that this was a great performance...



...I'm not one of them.


Talk about over-singing.



Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

THE horror! disbelief lol

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Reply #76 posted 08/27/11 7:29pm

allsmutaside

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

allsmutaside said:

Yeah his jealousy on Prince was exhausting, but it also seemed limited to some professional accomplishments. Rick may have been something of a dick, but he also seemed an infinitely happier, funner, funnier person than Prince does. And I think you would be hard pressed to tell Rick, successfully, that he was not pulling hot chicks to the day he died. His place in music history is really more profound than Prince's in one way; Prince had a boatload more of healthly, music-creating years than Prince. And really, relatively speaking, Rick is still right there with Prince in the capacity to influence our culture through his music.

Anybody would be more fun that sniffed a ton of coke under the table. Prince was all about being disciplined. So think 4 urself troll.....

Please explain yourself?

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Reply #77 posted 08/27/11 8:01pm

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Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

He'd be sitting on his ass and people would be wondering what happened to him.

I know people that caught his last tour and said it was horrible.

Honestly he shouldn't have tried to make a comeback. Now that I think about it, he was pretty much RETIRED until 2003, 2004 when the Chappelle episode made him popular again. But he was out of shape and wasn't the same great performer of years past. sad

I have always thought this was a step toward his final demise. Suddenly he was popular again, and touring and making money.

Old habits die hard and maybe being on the road triggered the same situations that would lead to drug abuse.

Rick was in prison for years... so he had to be physical sober for several years.

I remembered reading that an old addict that had been off of drugs for a long time like Rick and then go back to using... they make mistake of picking up right where they left off... I'm talking about ingesting the same amount they were using before the period of sobriety. But the body has physically become unaccostumed to that amount... and when they take that big hit... same big hit they have done a hundred times before... it is too much and they OD.

"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #78 posted 08/28/11 1:43am

KCOOLMUZIQ

allsmutaside said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Anybody would be more fun that sniffed a ton of coke under the table. Prince was all about being disciplined. So think 4 urself .....

Please explain yourself?

Most people that do hard drugs become the life of the party. It takes a discipline soul, to acheive something solid, without losing himself in the process under the influence all the time.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #79 posted 08/28/11 6:53am

MadamGoodnight

Maybe a part 2 to his book? He would've had more stories to tell.

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