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Off The Wall/Thriller ALL THE WAY. | |
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That was Axl Rose and yes... music videos and MTV had everything to do with Michael Jackson.
As for the thread! Michael Jackson! No question about that. | |
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THIS SHIT AIN'T RIGHT!!! THIS SHIT AIN'T RIGHT!!!!
Having said that...
OTW/Thriller ALL THE DAMN WAY! The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror) "I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off"  | |
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Off The Wall is better than the rest of the three involved. "Climb in my fur." | |
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I would say the exact same thing about "Madonna". It's just an insanely good debut.
2012: The Queen Returns | |
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Madonna debut better than Off The Wall? Its a great great debut but..... "Climb in my fur." | |
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To each their own, I love Rock With Me and Don't Stop, but otherwise Off The Wall doesn't do much for me. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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Off The Wall/Thriller. No contest!! | |
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Let's not get carried away . . . I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Right?
A MJ stan calling Madonna an attention whore is like Suge Knight calling someone else a 'thug'
I vote for OTW and Madonna's debut!
Although 'Baby Be Mine' from Thriller and PYT are probably my two fave MJ songs of all time...
Actually, nah, it's Blood on the Dancefloor.
Anywho, I do believe, that for what it's worth, MJ was a HUGE influence on Madonna's debut record... I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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Michael was a HUGE influence on Madonna, period. | |
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In what way? 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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She said it herself. | |
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never heard the other two WHAT?!  Where have you been all your life?! I can understand Off the Wall, but... Thriller?!... nah, it's all good. I'm sure not everyone has listened to the albums themselves. Before you choose you should probably take a listen. I don't think you'll be disappointed. MJ all the way. His 90s stuff is where he reached his creative peak in my eyes, but those albums with Quincy are 99.9% perfection. | |
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OFF THE WALL/THRILLER-No contest
I actually like the "Madonna" album. LAV kind of sucks, sorry. That is her worst album to date.
But MJ wins here, hands down. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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Michael Jackson all the way,
Madonna can't sing or dance, MJ is incredibly good of those 2... so.... there you go.....
jut like Lady Gaga, Christina Aguillera and a lot of other female MTV singsers - Madonna is a product, I really can't stand her.
Like A Prayer, Ray Of Light (song) maybe Music
those are the only Madonna songs I like (a bit).
I have her Like A Prayer vinyl album and it still smells of the perfume (1st edition) like in 1989. The title track is good, and the Prince/ Madonna duet.... I also have her Erotica album on Cd, that was really a bad album, I don't like it at all... Prince 4Ever. | |
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I have a really old Madonna article from the Virgin years that was an archive from Black Beat. She was going on about how much she loves MJ, and I absolutely hear the MJ influence on those first two records too and believe OTW & Thriller inspired them. Her first album could be like a girly OTW too | |
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Let's not go nuts... The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror) "I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" | |
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I don't know about MJ being a huge influence on her, but he certainly did have some kind of influence. At least early on in her career. Madonna grew up listening to the Jackson 5 and i've heard her say in an interview from the early 80's that MJ was one of her inspirations.
She also sampled "Can You Feel It" for her song "Sorry". The sample is subtle, but it's there and the bassline in "Like A Virgin" sounds very similar to "Billie Jean".
You can really hear the similarities @ 2:38
Although i'm sure some Madonna fans will deny it, I do believe that Michael was one of her music or entertainment idols, especially when she was first starting out in the business. [Edited 8/14/11 13:44pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Those Madonna fans are idiots, it's documented that she said she's a fan and she "wanted to be him", especially in those days. Even at that LAV performance at MTV, she included Billie Jean. When I was a little kid,and didn't know better, I thought Billie Jean sounded like LAV and not the other way around, but the minute I found out and really listened, I realized Billie Jean sounded more timeless like fine wine,but that's just my opinion
Not trying to get excited here,but in addition to Sorry, a little bit of Material girl can harmonize well with Can You Feel It and Beat It too. | |
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'Billie Jean' itself is a rip off.
According to Daryl Hall, when Jackson was recording “We Are the World,” Jackson approached him and admitted to lifting the bass line for "Billie Jean" from a Hall and Oates song (apparently referring to Hall’s "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" from the 1981 album Private Eyes): "Michael Jackson once said directly to me that he hoped I didn't mind that he copped that groove." Hall says he told Jackson that he had lifted the bass line himself, remarking, "it's something we all do."[15][16] http://en.wikipedia.org/w...illie_Jean
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VS. THREADS
So, where did Hall cop the bass line from? "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Can't find anything.
"I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" was a phrase Daryl Hall used when he was pressured to go along with the crowd against his wishes. After a recording session for the Private Eyes album in Electric Lady Studios (New York City), Hall, Oates and engineer Neil Kernon improvised this song. In an interview with Mix Magazine, Daryl Hall recalls: "Remember the old Roland CompuRhythm box? I turned to the Rock and Roll 1 preset, sat down at a Korg organ that happened to be lying there and started to play this bass line that was coming to me. It's the old recording studio story: The engineer heard what I was doing and turned on the tape machine. Good thing, because I'm the kind of person who will come up with an idea and forget it. The chords came together in about 10 minutes, and then I heard a guitar riff, which I asked John, who was sitting in the booth, to play."
John Oates continues in the same interview: "Daryl came up with this great bass line, using whatever sound happened to be on the organ, and Neil miked it and the drum machine. Daryl came up with the 'B' section chords, and then I plugged my 1958 Strat directly into the board, which was either an early SSL or a Trident." The next day Hall and his girlfriend Sara Allen wrote the lyrics. Hall recalls: "I wrote most of the lyrics, but Sara contributed some ideas. I sang the lead vocal, and there's the song - can't get any simpler than that!" Michael Jackson has confessed that this greatly influenced his hit song "Billie Jean." Daryl Hall recalls, "Michael Jackson once said directly to me that he hoped I didn't mind that he copped that groove. That's okay; it's something we all do."
Song Facts entry for Billie Jean:
This is about a girl who claimed that Jackson was the father of her child. Jackson based it on a woman who used to stalk him, writing him letters about a son she thought was his. Jackson had a hard time dealing with his stalker and became more reclusive as a result.
Quincy Jones produced this. In his autobiography Moonwalk, Jackson said that Jones wanted to change the title to "Not My Lover" because he thought it would be confused with tennis star Billie Jean King.
Michael Jackson also says about this song in Moonwalk, "A musician knows hit material. It has to feel right. Everything has to feel in place. It fulfills you and it makes you feel good. You know it when you hear it. That's how I felt about 'Billie Jean.' I knew it was going to be big while I was writing it. I was really absorbed in that song. One day during a break in a recording session I was riding down the Ventura Freeway with Nelson Hayes, who was working with me at the time. 'Billie Jean' was going around in my head and that's all I was thinking about. We were getting off the freeway when a kid on a motorcycle pulls up to us and says, 'Your car's on fire.' Suddenly we noticed the smoke and pulled over and the whole bottom of the Rolls-Royce was on fire. That kid probably saved our lives. If the car had exploded, we could have been killed. But I was so absorbed by this tune floating in my head that I didn't even focus on the awful possibilities until later."
According to Rolling Stone magazine's Top 500 songs, Jackson came up with the song's rhythm track on his home drum machine and nailed the vocals in one take.
This won the 1983 Grammy Award for Best Rhythm & Blues Vocal Performance and Best Rhythm & Blues Song for the writer Michael Jackson. (thanks, Edward Pearce - Ashford, Kent, England, for above 4)
This broke the color barrier on MTV. It was the first video by a black artist to get regular airplay on the channel, which debuted August 1, 1981. The video was also a precursor to the video game Dance Dance Revolution, as some scenes showed Jackson performing his dance moves by stepping on squares as they would light up.
This was the second of 7 US top 10 hits from the Thriller album. "The Girl Is Mine" was released before this.
The video showcased Jackson's signature dance moves that he became famous for. His talents as a dancer helped make him a huge concert draw and a star on MTV. High-energy dancing was a huge part of his act, and artists like New Kids on the Block and his sister Janet followed his lead and made dance moves as big a part of their shows as singing. This trend continued as groups like 'N Sync and The Backstreet boys followed suit. Jackson choreographed the dance moves himself.
On the 1983 TV special 25 Years Of Motown, Jackson did The Moonwalk for the first time while performing this song.
Jackson shot a Pepsi commercial in 1984 performing this with the lyrics altered to sing the praises of the soda. During the shoot, his hair caught fire from the pyrotechnics and he was rushed to the hospital. The commercial aired on the Grammy awards.
The UPC code on the album cover contained 7 digits that were rumored to be Jackson's telephone number. People with that number in many different area codes got swamped with annoying calls.
This inspired an "answer song" - Lydia Murdock's 1983 disco hit "Superstar." In "Superstar," Murdock adopts the persona of Billie Jean, telling her side of the story. No word on if Jackson ever heard it. (thanks, Adam - Dewsbury, England)
According to Q magazine, March 2008, Michael Jackson wrote this in his home studio in Encino. He worked for 3 weeks on the bass line alone.
Producer and record mogul Antonio "LA" Reid told Rolling Stone magazine April 15, 2004: "Billie Jean is the most important record he's made, not only because of its commercial success but because of the musical depth of the record. It has more hooks in it than anything I've ever heard. Everything in that song was catchy, and every instrument was playing a different hook. You could separate it into 12 different musical pieces and I think you'd have 12 different hits. Every day, I look for that kind of song." (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France)
Former Soundgarden lead singer Chris Cornell recorded a stripped-down, emotional version of this song for his 2007 solo album Carry On. In March, 2008, David Cook performed a similar version on American Idol, drawing rave reviews from the judges and some criticism from viewers who felt he ripped off Cornell's version. (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France)
Quincy Jones discussed this song in a radio interview printed in Radio Times. The Thriller producer recalled: "The intro to 'Billie Jean' was so long you could shave during it. I said we had to get to the melody sooner…but Michael said that was what made him want to dance. And when Michael Jackson says something makes him want to dance, you don't argue, so he won."
In the first chart week following Jackson's death, he placed a record 21 entries on the Hot Digital Songs chart, including this song. The late singer thus overtook the mark of 14 charted titles established by David Cook on the June 7, 2008, chart. One of Cook's cuts that week was his cover of this tune.
During an interview in Thailand, Jackson was asked about the inspiration behind this song. He replied: "There is a girl named Billie Jean, but it's not about that Billie Jean. Billie Jean is kind of anonymous. It represents a lot of girls. They used to call them groupies in the '60s. They would hang around backstage doors, and any band that would come to town they would have a relationship with, and I think I wrote this out of experience with my brothers when I was little. There were a lot of Billie Jeans out there. Every girl claimed that their son was related to one of my brothers."
Quincy Jones: "According to Michael, this song was about a girl that climbed over (his) wall. He woke up one morning and she was laying out by the pool, bathing suit on. Just invaded the place, a stalker almost. And Michael says she had accused him of being the father of one of her twins." (From Q magazine August 2009).
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Get off it. It's not a rip-off, the bass lines have barely any similarities. | |
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The bassline of "Bille Jean" and "Like a Virgin" are a ripoffs of The Four Tops' "I Can't Help Myself." | |
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I'd always thought it was a rip off of Steely Dan's 'Do It Again.' But apparently Michael Jackson is copping to it so . . . . . I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Iève listened to both and STILL don't see the similarities... | |
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