I use to hate sampling

Then I heard this...

as long as the artist they sample like it

and they're willing to pay the fees

dcouldnt give 2 shits.

HermesReborn said:

I use to hate sampling

Then I heard this...

as long as the artist they sample like it

and they're willing to pay the fees

dcouldnt give 2 shits.

I still can't get over this cover, Jay-Z definitely can pass off as the symbol of KOOL cigarettes for real.

HermesReborn said:

I use to hate sampling

Then I heard [The Grey Album]

as long as the artist they sample like it

and they're willing to pay the fees

That doesn't make sense

rialb said:

You can't call yourself a musician if you just take a sample and loop it. You can call yourself a thief, because all you're doing is stealing somebody else's groove. Just don't call it music.

Wow, that's pretty condescending!

Taking something from something(one) else and making it yours has been the basis of art since the dawn of man. Sampling isn't really all that different in that respects. It's the equivalent to collage artists and even though some people claim that they aren't real artists, they are. It's not about the source, it's about what you do with it. That is what makes you stand apart from the rest.

rialb said:

You can't call yourself a musician if you just take a sample and loop it. You can call yourself a thief, because all you're doing is stealing somebody else's groove. Just don't call it music.

Like Led Zeppelin "sampling" old blues songs.

HohnerCatcher said:

rialb said:

Wow, that's pretty condescending!

Do you recognise the quote? They're not my words but I generally agree with them:

http://princetext.tripod....ian97.html

I think it depends....

Some sampling is very creative, chopping the sample, perhaps with live instrumentation on the track as well. Interpolations can be interesting, too, putting a twist on an old record (or riff, bassline, melody etc.). They can also be used to pay homage to great older artists and their music.

However, a lot of sampling is lazy. Simply looping a sample and playing some drums over them with loads of hi-hats and symbols lol

This is an example of a track that has a little interpolation of an old Parliament (or is it Funkadelic?) song towards the end. Though not direct sampling as such, I would regard this as very tasteful, creative and extremely funky. Produced by Fredwreck:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...22LfrNlgGA

If it's used creatively, then I don't mind it.

HermesReborn said:

I use to hate sampling

Then I heard this...

as long as the artist they sample like it

and they're willing to pay the fees

dcouldnt give 2 shits.

I loved the hypocritical uproar from the Beatles' camps. Do they not remember they used "La Marseillaise" as the intro to "All You Need Is Love"?

smoothcriminal12 said:

If it's used creatively, then I don't mind it.

When was the last time it was used creatively?

[I do believe you should move along on this now, and refrain from posting this same thing over and over... You have now brought our attention to your posts, so post wisely. Warning Issued. - June7]

Pr1nceQuik said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

If it's used creatively, then I don't mind it.

When was the last time it was used creatively?

Really dude. Leave me alone. It's kind of creepy at this point.

Sampling is the FOUNDATION of hip-hop. Ask most people what their favorite hip-hop records are, guarantee most of them will name sample-based songs.

Hip-hop has gotten worse since sampling started happening less and less, which began happening because people started overcharging for the use of samples.

A large majority of the best hip-hop songs of ALL time have been sample based. And when it's done creatively, it's awesome. I can't tell you how many funk songs I discovered in the 90's because I heard a tight groove and checked the credits to see where it was sampled from.

At the golden point of hip-hop (widely considered to be '92-'94), samples were being used creatively, AND producers would literally dig through crates of vinyl to find samples that were obscure and awesome. It took YEARS before people figured out what Havoc sampled to create "Shook Ones Part II"

There's at least three things sampled on that record, but part of it comes from this Herbie Hancock track... check the piano at about 0.13 in....

Another part comes from this Quincy Jones track:

Skip to 1.13 to hear it.

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Great post, but I have one bone to pick:

Militant said:

At the golden point of hip-hop (widely considered to be '92-'94), samples were being used creatively, AND producers would literally dig through crates of vinyl to find samples that were obscure and awesome.

I realize the actual time of hip-hop's Golden Age is under debate, but the one thing most people agree on is that it started in the '80s. That's damn near universal consensus, man!

AlexdeParis said:

Great post, but I have one bone to pick:

Militant said:

At the golden point of hip-hop (widely considered to be '92-'94), samples were being used creatively, AND producers would literally dig through crates of vinyl to find samples that were obscure and awesome.

I realize the actual time of hip-hop's Golden Age is under debate, but the one thing most people agree on is that it started in the '80s. That's damn near universal consensus, man!

It's a confusing term, but while the "Golden Age" is a much wider time, I'm talking about the peak of that era, which many say is the time I mentioned. Basically, it's the apex of analog hip-hop before most people went digital in '95 and '96 which changed the entire sound and style of the genre (for example, compare the sound of 2Pac's "All Eyez On Me" with "Thug Life Vol 1", or compare the sound of Biggie's "Life After Death" to "Ready To Die". Hell, even compare "Illmatic" to "It Was Written" which was recorded digitally. By '96, almost every studio had switched to Pro Tools and digital recording from the old reel to reel tapes which gave analog recording a distinct character to them)

Wikipedia says:

Music critic Tony Green, in the book Classic Material, refers to the two year period 1993–1994 as "a second Golden Age" that saw influential, high quality albums using elements of past classicism –E-mu SP-1200 drum sounds, turntable scratches, references to old school hip hop hits, and "tongue-twisting triplet verbalisms" – while making clear that new directions were being taken. Green lists as examples the Wu-Tang Clan's Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Nas' Illmatic, De La Soul's 1993 release Buhloone Mindstate, Snoop Doggy Dogg's Doggystyle, A Tribe Called Quest's third albumMidnight Marauders and the Outkast debut Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik.^[4]

Kind of the era where hip-hop had become the most powerful force in music, but was still misunderstood and widely maligned and had it's underground roots showing, if you know what I mean.

At that stage, producers who sampled were really digging to be obscure and creative and sampling itself was an artform, if you look at what people like Premo, Pete Rock and Havoc were doing at that time.

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AlexdeParis said:

I see. I'd still put the apex of the era around '88-90, but that's just me. Or maybe that's the "first" golden age that was implied.

Yeah. I mean I think with '92-'94 you just had so many new artists coming out with such classic material, plus hip-hop was becoming a lot more commercial meaning that the initial impact those artists had has kept them commercially relevant even to present day.

Stuff like "Illmatic", "The Chronic", "The Predator", "Daily Operation" "Enter the Wu-Tang", "Doggystyle", "Ready To Die", "Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z", "Midnight Marauders", "Lethal Injection", "Hard To Earn", "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik", "Tical", "Regulate....G Funk Era", "Whut....Thee Album" would all rank in most critics lists of the best hip-hop albums, certainly of the 90's, and they ALL came out in that '92-'94 time frame, which is pretty crazy!

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AlexdeParis said:

HermesReborn said:

I use to hate sampling

Then I heard this...

as long as the artist they sample like it

and they're willing to pay the fees

dcouldnt give 2 shits.

I loved the hypocritical uproar from the Beatles' camps. Do they not remember they used "La Marseillaise" as the intro to "All You Need Is Love"?

It was pretty much yoko and a whole bunch of managers and lawyers that went ape shit.

Paul said he liked it. And thought it was cool.